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A Game of Chess posted:I can't even imagine working in a court that cares about rules like that. I'd say approximately 50% of the things that come across my desk don't technically conform to the rules. I don't have the time to care about font or margins and my judge would rather just address things on the merits and dispose of it that way, than get pedantic about form. Again, can't speak for any other courts, it's just such a foreign way to look at things. The courts must enforce the rules lest everything comes in with 6 point proportional font and 1/16" margins.
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patentmagus posted:The courts must enforce the rules lest everything comes in with 6 point proportional font and 1/16" margins. Just make a word count limit and call it a day.
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ulmont posted:Just make a word count limit and call it a day. Limiting syllables would be smarter.
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patentmagus posted:Limiting syllables would be smarter. Word count you can check with Microsoft word. Syllables not so much.
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ulmont posted:Word count you can check with Microsoft word. Syllables not so much. Tools/plug-ins/services to do it will appear almost instantaneously given the opportunity to object to opposing counsel's filings. I dread the unreadable law-speak that we'd end up using if word limited.
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# ? Jun 7, 2014 22:38 |
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Do you guys know of any cool programs for litigators to help out with...whatever? Note taking during trials, prepping a cross exam, etc. I wanna buy a tablet or laplet and want to explore a world beyond Word and Excel
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# ? Jun 7, 2014 22:49 |
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On a similar note, I'd love to hear about any sort of scheduling/task/organizer software anyone uses. My trusted "scrawled out lists and post its all over the place" system is showing its limits lately, and Outlook sucks.
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# ? Jun 7, 2014 23:24 |
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Jagchosis posted:In week three of my judicial externship in a very popular district for patent suits, I must ask patent litigator goons; how do patent litigators not go crazy/and or commit suicide at a rate of ~100%?
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# ? Jun 8, 2014 00:52 |
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http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20140607-obama-plans-steps-to-ease-student-debt.ece Obama is going to extend pay as you earn. Hurrah.
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# ? Jun 8, 2014 02:17 |
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patentmagus posted:I dread the unreadable law-speak that we'd end up using if word limited. FRAP 32(a)(7)(B) allows a word count option that is much more generous than the page limits.
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# ? Jun 8, 2014 03:26 |
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Roger_Mudd posted:http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20140607-obama-plans-steps-to-ease-student-debt.ece The joke here is that people on IBR will somehow be able to "buy homes" or "start businesses," right?
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# ? Jun 10, 2014 04:34 |
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xpostedhendersa posted:
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# ? Jun 11, 2014 02:52 |
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What the grad school thread doesn't mention is that, considering what law schools she would have had a shot of getting into with those kinds of grades and what I imagine is a crappy LSAT score, he's not only doing the schools she applies to a favor, but a favor to her because now she hopefully won't go to law school. Though this may just mean she only gets into her "safety" schools and those schools are especially bad. I still like the letter and think it's a net positive.
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# ? Jun 11, 2014 03:07 |
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MoFauxHawk posted:What the grad school thread doesn't mention is that, considering what law schools she would have had a shot of getting into with those kinds of grades and what I imagine is a crappy LSAT score, he's not only doing the schools she applies to a favor, but a favor to her because now she hopefully won't go to law school. I really doubt that the bottom-feeder schools, in their present, desperate condition, would reject someone based on a poor letter of recommendation. Hell, it wouldn't even bring down their incoming class LSAT ranking, something they actually care about.
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# ? Jun 11, 2014 03:24 |
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Vox Nihili posted:I really doubt that the bottom-feeder schools, in their present, desperate condition, would reject someone based on a poor letter of recommendation. Hell, it wouldn't even bring down their incoming class LSAT ranking, something they actually care about. Ya, I doubt some of those schools even open the letters of recommendation. And if the girl is applying to one of the myriad unaccredited law schools in California I doubt they'd care even if they read it.
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# ? Jun 11, 2014 03:29 |
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This letter says SO much more about the writer than it does about the student. Gutless, backstabbing and passive-aggressive. If it wasn't for the pathological inability to handle the mildest level of conflict, he/she'd make a half-decent crappy lawyer. (Unless it was one of those "cathartically write in anger and then delete" letters)
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# ? Jun 11, 2014 14:17 |
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joat mon posted:This letter says SO much more about the writer than it does about the student. I'm pretty sure when you tell someone you won't write them a letter of recommendation because it will be terrible for a variety of very good reasons, then they coerce you into writing one, they deserve that letter.
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# ? Jun 11, 2014 14:27 |
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evilweasel posted:I'm pretty sure when you tell someone you won't write them a letter of recommendation because it will be terrible for a variety of very good reasons, then they coerce you into writing one, they deserve that letter. I don't disagree but it still seems kind of unprofessional. Responding to unprofessionalism with unprofessionalism doesn't seem like a good idea to me. If I ever wrote something like that and people actually saw it, I'd be mortified. Good luck getting hired/people taking you seriously if they saw that. I guess good for them for having their name redacted. Reading it for a second time I did get a fw:fw:fw:fw urban legend type feeling from it though. Also, this person is a "pre-law advisor" and therefore the worst kind of monster.
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# ? Jun 11, 2014 15:00 |
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It's not passive-aggressive, it's regular aggressive.
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# ? Jun 11, 2014 16:04 |
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I regularly write letters of recommendation for my students, and I would never write a letter like this because I think it would make me look bad as well as the student. I would write, and have written, the most tepid letter possible that doesn't specifically recommend a person but doesn't say not to hire or admit them either. There's always something positive to say, even if it is completely irrelevant. Employers and schools, if they care, will get it. That said, this is what I would write in my head.
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# ? Jun 11, 2014 16:45 |
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She threatened legal action against him. She straight-up threatened to sue him if he didn't write a letter for her. His mom yelled at him and cursed him. Dude was angry. If you basically hold a gun to somebody's head and tell them to write a letter, you deserve whatever they write. And it's not like he was waxing poetic. He just described the events exactly (I assume) as they happened. He gave them the story of why he's writing this letter. He may have never written a tepid letter of recommendation before, too, and wanted the admissions people to know that he wasn't just writing it because he was too mean to be frank and decline to write the letter. MoFauxHawk fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Jun 11, 2014 |
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MoFauxHawk posted:I mean she threatened legal action against him. She straight-up threatened to sue him if he didn't write a letter for her. Dude was angry. If you basically hold a gun to somebody's head and tell them to write a letter, you deserve whatever they write. Students threaten legal action all the time when they don't get what they want. This guy is an attorney so he should know full well such a lawsuit would get immediately dismissed. We aren't under some kind of legal obligation to write reference letters. I agree the student deserved that letter; I just think writing that kind of letter is unprofessional. I had a student threaten to sue me when he got a B. He had predetermined he needed a 4.0 to get a job and I was preventing that. Of course, he was all bluster, as most of them are. Although when I was working at a law firm we once got a call from a student who wanted to sue a teacher over their grade. We didn't take the case, but this is an increasing problem. Students think by paying tuition they are entitled to they grade they want.
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# ? Jun 11, 2014 17:29 |
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quepasa18 posted:Students threaten legal action all the time when they don't get what they want. This guy is an attorney so he should know full well such a lawsuit would get immediately dismissed. As an attorney he should also (and probably does also) know full well that just because a lawsuit is meritless does not mean it will be immediately dismissed and does not mean it will not cost him money and look bad professionally. Also that a parent willing to make that sort of threat may not follow through with it but may follow through with trying to hurt him professionally. I'm not sure if "Assistant Professor" means he has tenure or is trying to get it, but without already having tenure he should absolutely just write the terrible letter rather than risk professional retaliation.
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# ? Jun 11, 2014 17:41 |
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quepasa18 posted:I . . . have written, the most tepid letter possible . . . .
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# ? Jun 11, 2014 18:52 |
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The best thing is when people make legal threats to me while we're inside the courthouse. "I'm going to sue you for sanctions!" "Go do it. I waive notice. Let's go in there and do it right now!" "I'll take it to the judge!" "Ok. I agree. Let's go do it." "I haven't had time to brief."
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# ? Jun 11, 2014 19:07 |
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:It's not passive-aggressive, it's regular aggressive. It's not regular aggressive, it's stdh.txt. Did the HLS admissions committee stand up and do a slow clap after hearing it read aloud? e: oops, EvilJimmyCarter beat me to it but still.
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# ? Jun 11, 2014 19:56 |
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:It's not passive-aggressive, it's regular aggressive. If the letter was directed to mom or kid, it'd be regular aggressive.
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Unamuno posted:It's not regular aggressive, it's stdh.txt. Did the HLS admissions committee stand up and do a slow clap after hearing it read aloud? The admissions officer at the law school was so amazed by his flawless sick burn that she married him the next day, too.
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# ? Jun 11, 2014 20:38 |
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An undergrad member of my national fraternity posted on Facebook for some advice on LSAT prep. I was heartened to see quite a few "no, don't do it"s.
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CaptainScraps posted:The best thing is when people make legal threats to me while we're inside the courthouse. Ahh family law.
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evilweasel posted:As an attorney he should also (and probably does also) know full well that just because a lawsuit is meritless does not mean it will be immediately dismissed and does not mean it will not cost him money and look bad professionally. Also that a parent willing to make that sort of threat may not follow through with it but may follow through with trying to hurt him professionally. I'm not sure if "Assistant Professor" means he has tenure or is trying to get it, but without already having tenure he should absolutely just write the terrible letter rather than risk professional retaliation. As an attorney he should probably also know that someone might very well file a meritless lawsuit over a letter like that, too, though.
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 00:58 |
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MaximumBob posted:As an attorney he should probably also know that someone might very well file a meritless lawsuit over a letter like that, too, though. Plus, more likely to get sued in a personal capacity for such a letter than for refusing to write the letter.
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MaximumBob posted:As an attorney he should probably also know that someone might very well file a meritless lawsuit over a letter like that, too, though. If you're gonna have to defend a frivolous suit either way, you may as well have some fun with it I guess bub spank fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Jun 12, 2014 |
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Ersatz posted:Did you first warn the student(s) that, although you could write a letter, they would be better off asking other professors? Yes. Usually I write vague letters when students tell me they don't have anyone else to ask. It's also in my syllabus that if they ask me for references they should be aware that I will be honest. Most know whether asking me is a good idea or not. I have also flat out refused to be a reference and never had anyone contest that or argue about it. quepasa18 fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Jun 12, 2014 |
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I had one professor who refused to write reference letters for jobs, but would write reference letters for clerkship applications.
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Zarkov Cortez posted:I had one professor who refused to write reference letters for jobs, but would write reference letters for clerkship applications. academia.txt
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joat mon posted:Plus, more likely to get sued in a personal capacity for such a letter than for refusing to write the letter. Depends if the student exercised the option to see the letter I think? At least when I was doing the common app there was an option to check some box waiving that right, and I know did that because I figured it would make me look ballsier not looking over a reference's shoulder. It didn't sink my chances of getting accepted, but on the flip side I always wondered what they wrote. Probably still something pretty generic since I didn't take a lot of classes with any one prof. So Assistant Professor is only a true big dog indifferently taking on extra liability if that student was going to see the letter. I mean in theory, anyway. Now it's out there on the internet so who knows when it might land on Above the Law and get recognized, assuming this is poo poo that did happen.
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 13:17 |
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Way to ruin that letter folks. drat lawyers.
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# ? Jun 12, 2014 13:37 |
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Roger_Mudd posted:Way to ruin that letter folks. drat lawyers.
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I'm suing you guys for having a legal discussion over the letter rather than laughing at this girl who demanded it.
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