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PrBacterio posted:With Mario games at least, there is that "Donald Duck problem" of that giving such a character a full speaking role just turns out weird. It's why in Duck Tales they had the conceit of sending Donald away to the Navy and have Scrooge take in the nephews. That's why Mario games should stick with minimal story and basically no voice acting, exactly like they did with 3D World. On the other hand, Nintendo seem to have taken away from that the lesson that NONE of their games in their major franchises should be fully voice acted, which is some stupid bullshit. There's no reason, basically, why a Zelda game, for example, shouldn't be fully voice acted in this day and age. This is a man who has never read the Carl Barks Donald Duck comics. And for that I pity him.
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Whirlwind Jones posted:Ha. Ha. Ha. So lets just get this straight Nintendo tried worded voice acting once and it was awful and therefore it should never be tried again? Despite every other studio doing voice acting and it works a large majority of the time. Nintendo still hires voice actors but then pays them to speak nothing but gibberish but still gives the games walls of text.
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Jun 14, 2014 00:54
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Animal Crossing speak owns and should be used in all games regardless of context or platform. That's my official stance on the topic.
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Jun 14, 2014 00:56
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Fulchrum posted:This is a man who has never read the Carl Barks Donald Duck comics. And for that I pity him. Similarly, in those Mario games that DO have a more intricate story element, like the RPG's, they wisely went with text bubbles for all in-game dialog. The same thing, however, should not apply to Zelda.
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Jun 14, 2014 00:57
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PrBacterio posted:I've read all of them, actually. But now try to imagine any of those stories being made into an animated film, with Donald saying all of that dialogue in his classic Donald Duck voice. That poo poo would be so grating and get on your nerves basically instantly. And they typical episode of Duck Tales, for instance, is very much inspired by the stories from Carl Barks. Only they were smart enough to find a reason to have Donald Duck out of the picture. Pretty sure Donald spoke in Kingdom hearts. That and they do full on speaking poo poo for commercials: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYa7G467_Yo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSY98rBOca0 Mind you wario spoke in his first commercial when they introduced his first gameboy game.
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Jun 14, 2014 00:59
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Honestly voice acting is fine but as a veteran of Lucasarts games I'm someone who likes to skip through dialogue as soon as I've read the subtitles. Video game writing sucks across the board so it's not like I'm going to be emotionally captivated by an acting performance. Every video game is voiced by the same person anyway, Nolan North. Well, him and Steve Blum.
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Jun 14, 2014 01:03
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Quest For Glory II posted:
You forgot Tara Strong, voice of every girl creature ever.
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Jun 14, 2014 01:04
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The Taint Reaper posted:Pretty sure Donald spoke in Kingdom hearts.
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Jun 14, 2014 01:08
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The only thing that makes text dialogue bad is when I can't speed it up or skip to the next dialogue box. The early Phoenix Wright games made you sit and wait as each letter was rendered one by one, but it let you fast forward AFTER BEATING IT  Zelda is pretty bad with this too as text traditionally scrolls really slowly in those games, making "YOU GOT FIVE RUPEES! HOLY gently caress" even more obnoxious.
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Jun 14, 2014 01:11
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J-Spot posted:Donald is a lot more coherent these days than he was back in the old shorts. They can get away with having him speak a lot of dialogue when they need to. You also have series like Rayman where the characters speak in full dialogue. Even if it's entirely pig latin, none of them sound off or weird doing so. Just having plain banjo kazooie giberish does make it sound really weird and detached though.
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Jun 14, 2014 01:12
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J-Spot posted:Donald is a lot more coherent these days than he was back in the old shorts. They can get away with having him speak a lot of dialogue when they need to. Disney consciously made him more coherent after people thought he used the n word in Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
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Jun 14, 2014 01:15
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Fulchrum posted:Disney consciously made him more coherent after people thought he used the n word in Who Framed Roger Rabbit. Sounds awfully familiar to a recent game that had that same problem.
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Jun 14, 2014 01:16
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Right, it's probably not as clear-cut as I made it out to be, but still, in general with characters like Mario or Donald Duck, who have well-established, extremely "weird" and hard to understand or grating voices or accents, giving some thought to the matter of, do you REALLY want to give that character a big speaking role with lots of dialogue, is probably worth some consideration. As I said, from what I remember it was the main reason why they found an excuse to move Donald out of the picture early on in Duck Tales. EDIT: And yes, they then went on to just make Donald's voice less grating later on to get rid of that problem. PrBacterio fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Jun 14, 2014 |
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Jun 14, 2014 01:16
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Fulchrum posted:Disney consciously made him more coherent after people thought he used the n word in Who Framed Roger Rabbit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P27ZsrQ_wFE
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Jun 14, 2014 01:17
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PrBacterio posted:Right, it's probably not as clear-cut as I made it out to be, but still, in general with characters like Mario or Donald Duck, who have well-established, extremely "weird" and hard to understand or grating voices or accents, giving some thought to the matter of, do you REALLY want to give that character a big speaking role with lots of dialogue, is probably worth some consideration. As I said, from what I remember it was the main reason why they found an excuse to move Donald out of the picture early on in Duck Tales. Yet people in the Xenoblade thread are up in arms because the Main Character might not speak and no memorable dialogue might happen. That and Duck tales gave us the popular version of Scrooge and Scrooge was always better than Donald.
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Jun 14, 2014 01:19
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As an owner of the video game Xenoblade I can tell you that memorable dialogue is not what I got out of it. Not-obnoxious dialogue, for the most part, I got that out of it. And I was grateful for that.
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Jun 14, 2014 01:22
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e: wrong thread sorry
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Quest For Glory II posted:As an owner of the video game Xenoblade I can tell you that memorable dialogue is not what I got out of it. I think people just liked the sound of British Accents in an anime game. However you have poo poo on the other end of the spectrum like Arc Rise Fantasia. Which is a crime to skip any dialogue in that game because you can tell that half of it was recorded over a phone(they even leave in the static) and one of them had a real bad head cold. I thought Tales of Xillia did a pretty good job with the voices, even though one of the Japanese speaking stylistic choices for one of the characters turned into a rough lisp.
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Jun 14, 2014 01:25
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The Taint Reaper posted:So how long until they run out of guys and try to make 2014 versions of Candy Kong, Lanky Kong, Chunky Kong and other characters who have not appeared in a game in over a decade? Fire Emblem: Awakening alone could get milked for years. I unironically hope they do so. E: Kid Icarus: Uprising was fully voiced and all of it was fantastically well done. TheKingofSprings fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Jun 14, 2014 |
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Jun 14, 2014 01:27
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The Taint Reaper posted:Yet people in the Xenoblade thread are up in arms because the Main Character might not speak and no memorable dialogue might happen. Feh, the Scrooge in Duck Tales couldn't hold a candle to how he was done by either Carl Barks or Don Rosa.
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Jun 14, 2014 01:33
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PrBacterio posted:There's no reason, basically, why a Zelda game, for example, shouldn't be fully voice acted in this day and age. Voice acting sucks and is a stupid thing to waste money on. Zelda games need about 1/4th the dialogue they've been putting in, not more focus on the lovely story and characters. Every Zelda game worth comparison showed a lot more brevity, with Link's Awakening having just a bit too much garbage text.
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Jun 14, 2014 01:37
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Fulchrum posted:Feh, the Scrooge in Duck Tales couldn't hold a candle to how he was done by either Carl Barks or Don Rosa. Yeah but people would not have given that much of a poo poo about any version of Scrooge if it wasn't for Ducktales. All of CB's work was solid so just having Duck Tales act as sort of an introduction was not a bad thing.
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You are comparing voice acting in full blown 80 hour RPGs to voice acting in a story-less platformer. Donkey Kong doesn't speak because he's too busy wrecking bitches to care. Do you want him to sit in front of King K Rool and give him a long diatribe about how he's going to shove bananas up his rear end? Like, what is he supposed to say? Did you see what WayForward did to DuckTales? All that did was give me an extra thing to skip before I could play the drat game.
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Jun 14, 2014 01:38
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Fulchrum posted:Feh, the Scrooge in Duck Tales couldn't hold a candle to how he was done by either Carl Barks or Don Rosa. 
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The Taint Reaper posted:So how long until they run out of guys and try to make 2014 versions of Candy Kong, Lanky Kong, Chunky Kong and other characters who have not appeared in a game in over a decade? what the gently caress do you want donkey kong to say? "Yahoo i got my bananas back!!"
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Jun 14, 2014 01:41
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Phantasium posted:You are comparing voice acting in full blown 80 hour RPGs to voice acting in a story-less platformer. Donkey Kong doesn't speak because he's too busy wrecking bitches to care. Do you want him to sit in front of King K Rool and give him a long diatribe about how he's going to shove bananas up his rear end? Like, what is he supposed to say? Donkey Kong speaks at the intro of every level. He does the chest beating and the impersonated gorilla noises. But you do have characters in the game that already give walls of text like Funky Kong. So it makes no sense why they can't speak actual word when they're speaking gibberish and the words are written on the screen. You don't need long paragraphs to make voice actors useful(like Rayman Legends and origins) but when you have the words already there and the characters are just talking gibberish it's just really really really strange. Especially when they're moving their mouths even after the short blip of gibberish has ended.
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Jun 14, 2014 01:42
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The Taint Reaper posted:Donkey Kong speaks at the intro of every level. He does the chest beating and the impersonated gorilla noises. fyi he actually is a gorilla
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:Voice acting sucks Psychonauts 
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elf help book posted:fyi he actually is a gorilla No that's a man making gorilla noises.
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I'm hear to eat bananas and slap some motherfuckers and i'm all outta bananas -Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze 2014
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Jun 14, 2014 01:47
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The Taint Reaper posted:No that's a man making gorilla noises.
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homeless snail posted:I'm hear to eat bananas and slap some motherfuckers and i'm all outta bananas -Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze 2014 Well it is also kinda weird that every single other Kong can speak english except for Donkey. Like you can assume he's like one of the inbred kongs and the only job he was able to get was working at a barrel factory. I think Diddy they just picked up at a truck stop because he's not even a gorilla, and I think they murdered that Orangutan Kong in a cult ritual.
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Jun 14, 2014 01:49
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What the Metroid series needed was voice acting, thankfully Other "the baby" M is here to satisfy this crucial need in my life
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I think you have to be fundamentally broken on some level to go "Tropical Freeze was loving incredible and pure gaming bliss and all, but I need fully voiced characters." "What is a Kong?" -The evil penguin dude
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Jun 14, 2014 01:53
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I actually think you're going to be seeing fewer and fewer games with full voice acting, not because it's impractical but because the ratio of AAA to Indie titles is shifting and shifting quickly. So it's just a matter of budget. Although any first-party title from any of the Big Three should still have the budget to have voice acting. But there will just be less of it in gaming in general, as the number of big budget titles per year continues to shrink until we're down to just the annualized games.
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Jun 14, 2014 01:58
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Austrian mook posted:I think you have to be fundamentally broken on some level to go "Tropical Freeze was loving incredible and pure gaming bliss and all, but I need fully voiced characters." I beat tropical Freeze and it seemed to me atleast that it fell short of Rayman legends. It seems to be a fair comparison because Tropical Freeze and origins was pretty much the same in structure right down to the three objectives per level.
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I'll agree with you only in that Rayman Legends, like Origins, is the closest thing to a Nintendo game not released by Nintendo, in that it throws every possible brainstormed idea into the game, so every level has something really unique about it, and that keeps it fresh and fun the whole way. Tropical Freeze has a lot of variety to it, but not on the level of Rayman or Mario Galaxy. So when it gets really brutal near the end, the incentive to keep pushing is not as strong. It's still a really good game, though. And I did eventually go back and unlock the secret worlds. I beat one of those fuckers and then just went on Youtube and watched the other two. Holy gently caress those are hard.
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Quest For Glory II posted:I'll agree with you only in that Rayman Legends, like Origins, is the closest thing to a Nintendo game not released by Nintendo, in that it throws every possible brainstormed idea into the game, so every level has something really unique about it, and that keeps it fresh and fun the whole way. Tropical Freeze has a lot of variety to it, but not on the level of Rayman or Mario Galaxy. So when it gets really brutal near the end, the incentive to keep pushing is not as strong. Yeah the extra stages can be a pain and I did do something similar with the youtube videos. They helped with the timing and everything it took me like 6 or 7 tries per levels. Then again I also beat Dk 64 to 100% and I was glad to see most of the collectables go with the Wii and Wii-U games. The newer Donkey Kongs feel really short IMO though, like both of them combined could have been one solid game. The Taint Reaper fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Jun 14, 2014 |
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Jun 14, 2014 02:19
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The Taint Reaper posted:Then again I also beat Dk 64 to 100% I'm so, so sorry.
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Suspicious Dish posted:I'm so, so sorry. It took me 80 hours and 52 minutes. And I also got really good at ye olden Donkey Kong and Jetpac.\ Still not as gruling as watching all the episodes from the Donkey Kong TV show though.
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