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Under the vegetable posted:My roommate who doesn't watch wrestling and doesn't understand it (except for Legends House) suggested the best possible Network Original show concept the other day. Pop Up Mania, pretty much VH1's Pop-up Video but for classic matches/angles. She's a genius. I feel like I've seen that - maybe as a one-off episode of Raw or SD in the 90's or something like that. It'd be a great idea for those Wrestlemania Rewind specials where they could give you a lot of context as the match goes on.
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Daniel Bryan posted:Interesting way to promote this PPV: What are they ret-conning?
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Jun 9, 2014 15:14
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IcePhoenix posted:What are they ret-conning? 
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Under the vegetable posted:My roommate who doesn't watch wrestling and doesn't understand it (except for Legends House) suggested the best possible Network Original show concept the other day. Pop Up Mania, pretty much VH1's Pop-up Video but for classic matches/angles. She's a genius. isnt that the point of commentary
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Jun 9, 2014 15:29
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In theory, commentary is for play-by-play, and not for random trivia. In practise, well.
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Jun 9, 2014 15:36
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flashy_mcflash posted:I feel like I've seen that - maybe as a one-off episode of Raw or SD in the 90's or something like that. It'd be a great idea for those Wrestlemania Rewind specials where they could give you a lot of context as the match goes on. It was a dvd of wrestlemania 3 that came out a few years back. Gonna guess for the 20th anniversary
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Jun 9, 2014 15:40
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Blasmeister posted:They're not mentioning the match the PPV was most famous for. That's not retconning, it's just not mentioning a high profile guy who is no longer with WWE.
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Jun 9, 2014 15:41
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bradzilla posted:That's not retconning, it's just not mentioning a high profile guy who is no longer with WWE. I agree with you honestly, just answering the question.
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Jun 9, 2014 15:43
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Blasmeister posted:I agree with you honestly, just answering the question.  " conspiracy theory. Bryan is on top of the company so it makes sense to advertize the PPV as where his run to the top really started.
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Jun 9, 2014 16:02
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Speaking of, I just got through Payback over the weekend and I just want to say how awesome it was when Heyman squashed the CM Punk chants like, 5 minutes in to the broadcast while also generating some cheap heat by insulting the Blackhawks. It was handled just perfectly. Especially considering that the Blackhawks did actually lose that night.
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Jun 9, 2014 16:31
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Blast Fantasto posted:Speaking of, I just got through Payback over the weekend and I just want to say how awesome it was when Heyman squashed the CM Punk chants like, 5 minutes in to the broadcast while also generating some cheap heat by insulting the Blackhawks. It was handled just perfectly. The best CM Punk squash was by Steph and it's not even close. Which is impressive because the Heyman was was also amazing.
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Blast Fantasto posted:Speaking of, I just got through Payback over the weekend and I just want to say how awesome it was when Heyman squashed the CM Punk chants like, 5 minutes in to the broadcast while also generating some cheap heat by insulting the Blackhawks. It was handled just perfectly. I preferred Bo Dallas saying, "Just because the Blackhawks are going to lose, it doesn't mean you're losers."
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Jun 9, 2014 17:02
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IcePhoenix posted:What are they ret-conning? I felt like the retcon might have been WWE implying "Hey guys, we were planning this current Daniel Bryan main event run WAY BACK THEN" It's a bit of a stretch, but that was the only thing I could think of.
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Jun 9, 2014 17:37
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Man, so... I love tournaments, I love tag nonsense, I've been having fun catching tag matches and shows on the Network... Can't really wrap my head around Starrcade '90. 8-Team tag tournament, alright! Also for some reason they introduced Team America (Steiners) first, leaving the crowd to sit on their hands and mumble for the introduction of 7 other teams. Also, during the Team Mexico matches, the commentary crew keeps mixing up Konnan and Rey Misterio (Sr.), and the title card reads "Rey Mysteric", and JR keeps calling Konnan "Ray Mysterick". Anyways, yeah, 8 teams (including 'Gentleman' Chris Adams/Norman Smiley, Victor Zangiev/Salman Hashimikov, and Masa Saito/Great Muta! Whoa!) for the tournament, that's 7 matches right there, plus a US title match, plus a World title match. Sounds pretty legit, a bit crowded, but legit. Alright, now you need to make room for a Bobby Eaton vs. Z-Man Zenk singles opener, unrelated to the rest of the card, and longer than all but one match of the tournament proper. Then the world Tag title has its own match (the tournament is for a trophy). Then a singles match between Michael Wallstreet and Terry Taylor. Then a Skyscrapers squash tag match, because squashes belong on a ppv! To boot, the Luger/Hansen US Title match was a strap match, and the steel cage main event was Sting vs. Black Scorpion. loving WCW.
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LvK posted:Man, so... I love tournaments... Somewhat relatedly, I'm watching KotR 1994 and wow the clips of "how much does this guy weigh?!" do not capture the sheer incompetence and inanity displayed by Art Donovan on commentary. Wait, I get that Bret vs. Diesel goes on early so the tournament final is higher in the card, but then the main event is Roddy vs. Lawler? Weird. Chinston Wurchill fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Jun 14, 2014 |
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Jun 13, 2014 22:32
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Watching Clash of Champions... how in the hell did anyone think Oz was a good idea for Kevin Nash. This is totally insane. Rubber masks, a wizard entrance theme, so loving stupid.
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Jun 14, 2014 06:40
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joshtothemaxx posted:Watching Clash of Champions... how in the hell did anyone think Oz was a good idea for Kevin Nash. This is totally insane. Rubber masks, a wizard entrance theme, so loving stupid. You gotta watch Superbrawl 1 with Oz's debut.
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joshtothemaxx posted:Watching Clash of Champions... how in the hell did anyone think Oz was a good idea for Kevin Nash. This is totally insane. Rubber masks, a wizard entrance theme, so loving stupid. Turner just got the rights to The Wizard of Oz.
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Jun 14, 2014 07:27
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Just watched the LARPing ep of Legends' House and I'm pretty sure I could watch Roddy Piper taking LARPing as serious business for all eternity. That was glorious.
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Jun 14, 2014 08:53
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June 20, 1994: Gorilla Monsoon decrees that "objects are only to be used for their intended purpose" after Jerry Lawler strikes Duke Droese with a garbage can. He declares that "you'll never see that again here in the WWF."
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Y'know I know we made jokes about how Pat Patterson revealing he's gay shocked precisely no one and everything, but I just watched the Legends' House finale and I genuinely found it a really  thing. It doesn't matter that the whole world knew, it was the fact that he could say it. And I dunno, seeing all these guys binding together was honestly kinda sweet.Also holy poo poo poor Jimmy Hart and Hacksaw.  Those dudes are great.
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Jun 14, 2014 22:25
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They added the "This Is Your Life!" Raw to the Network. This also features the very first HHH/Rock WWF Title match.
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Jun 14, 2014 23:35
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Y'know I know we made jokes about how Pat Patterson revealing he's gay shocked precisely no one and everything, but I just watched the Legends' House finale and I genuinely found it a really Pretty sure all those guys have known for 30-40 years. That was all for the people watching at home. It's cool he came out of the closet to everyone, good for him.
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The American Dream posted:Pretty sure all those guys have known for 30-40 years. That was all for the people watching at home. It's cool he came out of the closet to everyone, good for him. But again, it wasn't about them knowing. He knew they knew. He knows everybody with an internet connection and any sort of reason to have found out knows. But he finally said it, out loud, to himself. And I could just be getting worked here, but I feel like that was genuine emotion by all involved. I doubt wrestlers would be that good at acting. 
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SamuraiFoochs posted:But again, it wasn't about them knowing. He knew they knew. He knows everybody with an internet connection and any sort of reason to have found out knows. But he finally said it, out loud, to himself. And I could just be getting worked here, but I feel like that was genuine emotion by all involved. I doubt wrestlers would be that good at acting. Pat Patterson was openly gay. That's the whole reason he was one of the targets in the ring announcer molestation scandal, he was an easy target because he was gay.
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MassRafTer posted:Pat Patterson was openly gay. That's the whole reason he was one of the targets in the ring announcer molestation scandal, he was an easy target because he was gay. It always came off as more of an open secret thing to me. Like Rob Halford. Everyone knew but no one said it out loud.
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TheJoker138 posted:It always came off as more of an open secret thing to me. Like Rob Halford. Everyone knew but no one said it out loud. His homosexuality was the entire basis of a lawsuit against the company and was discussed on national TV.
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TheJoker138 posted:It always came off as more of an open secret thing to me. Like Rob Halford. Everyone knew but no one said it out loud. Yeah that was what I thought too. MassRafTer posted:His homosexuality was the entire basis of a lawsuit against the company and was discussed on national TV. That's kind of really bizarre then. Why was he so emotional about it? Again, reality TV bullshit acknowledged, I really really question the idea that Pat is THAT good of an actor. That's...odd.
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Edit: Foochs, I'm using your post as a jumping-off point for a rant, here (something I do often and usually without warning). So just know that this isn't directed at you specifically.SamuraiFoochs posted:That's kind of really bizarre then. Why was he so emotional about it? Again, reality TV bullshit acknowledged, I really really question the idea that Pat is THAT good of an actor. That's...odd. It's what made good wrestlers good. Reality TV is more fake than Wrestling. Like, way more. A shitload more. They storyboard it. There are casting calls. Working in film the last few years (as much as you can in Seattle), I've met people who worked in reality TV, and it has call sheets and a script. They're not just selectively editing hundreds of hours into a story. They're writing it. But they're writing it like people used to write wrestling. Here's how you feel. Go. I'm sure there was some reality in Pat coming out, because it was the first time he revealed it to the public HIMSELF. But if you think these guys didn't have their working boots on during the scene, I don't know what to tell you. I laugh every time somebody I know gives me the "you know that poo poo's fake, right?" Because every single person who has ever said that to me believes that reality TV is real. The Real World was the first reality show the way we currently categorize them, and it was scripted by season 3. Probably 2, though I have nothing to back that up. Which means that anything after 1994 is a complete work. Now here we have a reality show with wrestlers. Two art forms that are undeniably fake. How is anybody swayed by this? LividLiquid fucked around with this message at 10:41 on Jun 15, 2014 |
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LividLiquid posted:But they're writing it like people used to write wrestling. Here's how you feel. Go. That's what they do with the good actors. With the not so good or otherwise uncooperative actors, the producer will literally feed them lines. Fun fact, most documentaries are also scripted works, too. Shima Honnou fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Jun 15, 2014 |
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Jun 15, 2014 13:31
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LividLiquid posted:How is anybody swayed by this? It's still real to me, drat it. 
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Jun 15, 2014 14:24
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Huh. It might be a glitch, but it looks like they've started adding new Raws and Smackdowns without a delay. This week's shows are up already. This is a new development, right? I haven't been paying attention.
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Jun 15, 2014 14:46
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Chinston Wurchill posted:Huh. It might be a glitch, but it looks like they've started adding new Raws and Smackdowns without a delay. This week's shows are up already. This is a new development, right? I haven't been paying attention. I don't see them at all.
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Jun 15, 2014 14:59
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Chinston Wurchill posted:Huh. It might be a glitch, but it looks like they've started adding new Raws and Smackdowns without a delay. This week's shows are up already. This is a new development, right? I haven't been paying attention. The most recent SmackDown I can find is May 8, 2014; most recent Raw is May 11, 2014.
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Huh, must have been a glitch then. Either in the Network or more likely my brain.
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Jun 15, 2014 15:11
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The Patterson community?!
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Jun 15, 2014 18:54
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I guess my point is it's a question of degree. Like, I know all wrestlers are actors, I know reality TV is about as big of a misnomer as there is. I know pretty much all of the Legends' House "drama" is manufactured bullshit. I guess mu point is I fancy myself being able to discern legit emotion amongst bullshit, and Pat seemed legit emotional about coming out, which just took me aback a little because of all the reasons being discussed.
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Or maybe (and this is just an idea, not an accusation) you just bought into this reality show more than the other reality shows because it revolves around wrestling which you obviously love so much and have so much passion for. If you're able to buy into the fake emotion of a WWE match then why not the fake emotion of a reality show? Sure, you may not buy into Desperate Housewives or The Real World but shows like Total Divas and Legends House hit you in your vulnerable spot. I know you take offense to this word being used negatively but I'm just using it as it was originally intended. Maybe you're an "easy mark" in this case?
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I think it could also be a case of everyone being so incredibly emotional to begin with. Starting with Tony's story, every story was SO loving heavy and had everyone either in tears or pretty drat close to being in tears. That emotion isn't just going to go away once you start talking about yourself. Once he started talking about himself, he could have still been pretty emotional from that insane Duggan story or Gene talking about his wife giving him a kidney. That poo poo was rough. Maybe he never proclaimed it to anyone and it was just a thing people "found out" or assumed or whatever. Maybe he wasn't "technically" closeted in the sense that he didn't let anyone know he was gay, but I have a feeling that a pro wrestler from that era was closeted for most of his career and then just sort of stayed that way despite everyone pretty much knowing the truth.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:That's kind of really bizarre then. Why was he so emotional about it? Again, reality TV bullshit acknowledged, I really really question the idea that Pat is THAT good of an actor. That's...odd. You can be "out" about something and still not like to talk about it in an alpha-male, macho environment. Everyone in the world knows that Patterson is openly gay -- but that doesn't mean he hasn't felt pressure to hide it, or not talk about it, etc.
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