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Tanahashi's 2013 was probably the best year any male wrestler has had. And it gets even better if you cheat and extend it backward to the October 2012 ***** match with Suzuki. I guess I'd have to go back and look at Best Of rankings from the mid 90s to see if any of the AJPW guys ever did better.
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MassRafTer posted:He was really bad. He had little charisma and little real ability. TJS: Brings a sword to the match, still boring. Actually now I'm curious about his AJPW work and... Well, I found a match from '81 and he's spent most of the runtime so far chasing people around outside the ring with a sword. Okay, lemme revise: Tiger Jeet Singh: Brings a sword to the match, still does restholds all day this bit is great, though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRRo29eNpoU&t=62s
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Jun 14, 2014 03:07
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Burt Buckle posted:Who would you say has had a better world title run: Eric Young or Daniel Bryan? This is like a really obvious honeypot but it depends on how you define "better." Eric Young in terms of booking / title defenses. Bryan in terms of using actual human logic.
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Jun 14, 2014 03:13
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Web Jew.0 posted:This is like a really obvious honeypot but it depends on how you define "better." Eric Young in terms of booking / title defenses. Bryan in terms of using actual human logic. Look at it this way: come MitB, [VACANT] will have defended the title as many times as Daniel Bryan.
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Jun 14, 2014 03:59
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I'm pretty sure a ripoff of the worst title reign would be worse by default.
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Look at it this way - people have heard of Daniel Bryan
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He won the title in the main event of Wrestlemania without any bullshit. That balances the rest to an average WWE title reign.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:He won the title in the main event of Wrestlemania without any bullshit. That balances the rest to an average WWE title reign. Yeah there was some unfortunate timing (and poor decisions) after he won, but his performance and the catharsis of victory at Wrestlemania was absolutely outstanding.
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oatgan posted:it's an old jazz standard Doing some quick research and Wiki says the standard is apparently about a...hippie? Why is that a nickname you'd give yourself if you're Buddy Rogers and later Ric Flair, who both really were anything but hippies? edit: Let me rephrase that: "The song tells a fantasy of a "strange enchanted boy... who wandered very far" only to learn that "the greatest thing... was just to love and be loved in return"." That's a hippie in my all-too-conformist book 
GreatestLurker fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Jun 14, 2014 |
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Jun 14, 2014 12:41
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GreatestLurker posted:Doing some quick research and Wiki says the standard is apparently about a...hippie? Sex.
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Did the Rock and Booker T ever do a promo or in ring segment about how they essentially have the same finisher?
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Manwithastick posted:Did the Rock and Booker T ever do a promo or in ring segment about how they essentially have the same finisher? Wasn't that one of the things in their feud over the WCW Title during (or right after, can never remember) the Invasion? I'm fairly certain it was mentioned.
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Manwithastick posted:Did the Rock and Booker T ever do a promo or in ring segment about how they essentially have the same finisher? It wasn't just his finisher, Russo turned Booker into a wholesale Rock ripoff
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Jun 15, 2014 05:38
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How long have wrestling fans been quoting Meltzer's star ratings like they were canon and not one guy's opinion? I've never seen that in discussion of any other type of media.
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Jun 15, 2014 11:48
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Probably for as long as people have been discussing wrestling on the Internet. His newsletter dates back to the late 70s / early 80s (although not in its current form), so he has written about every major event in wrestling for over 30 years. His reviews and ratings were important to the early tape trading community because there was really no other way to know what was going on out in the wider wrestling world. There was no cable TV for the most part, and certainly no other way to know what was happening in Europe/Japan/Mexico/etc.
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It still kills me that there's people who think of themselves as wrestling journalists, because even Meltzer being hand-fed nuggets of information from the Rock b-a-r-e-l-y counts as journalism. Barely. Seriously, you guys. BARELY. And trust me, I WISH wrestling journalism was a real thing. That being said, I trust his star ratings pretty much no questions asked if I'm wondering how good something I haven't seen is.
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magnum_valentino posted:How long have wrestling fans been quoting Meltzer's star ratings like they were canon and not one guy's opinion? I've never seen that in discussion of any other type of media. Mob posted:It still kills me that there's people who think of themselves as wrestling journalists, because even Meltzer being hand-fed nuggets of information from the Rock b-a-r-e-l-y counts as journalism. Barely. Seriously, you guys. BARELY. And trust me, I WISH wrestling journalism was a real thing. LividLiquid fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Jun 15, 2014 |
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Jun 15, 2014 12:13
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LividLiquid posted:How deep is that cave on mars in which you live that you've never heard of Gene Siskel or Roger Ebert? You realize that the last time Siskel & Ebert reviewed anything as a unit was 15 years ago, right. WCW was just starting its crash. They're also both dead, so it isn't like there's going to be a surprise reunion.
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Jun 15, 2014 12:23
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Meltzer's knowledge of wrestling history is rivaled by only a few people in the industry, so if he says a match is good, that's more or less the end of the discussion. His five-star ratings surpassed the Undertaker's streak this year as the most protected thing in wrestling, and his writing is mediocre-to-terrible when he's just smashing out a newsletter, but he's essentially way out ahead of anyone else calling themselves a wrestling journalist. If he got into a car accident tomorrow, that would be the end of actual wrestling news.
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Jun 15, 2014 12:29
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I'm just saying the phrase "wrestling journalism" is laughable, but the closest thing anyone will ever get to a real rear end wrestling journalist is Meltzer.
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Jun 15, 2014 12:33
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Are there any other wrestling writers who have any sources in WWE/TNA/etc and Japan who can actually break stories and news before they happen? I can't think of anyone else who does legit reporting on things like Bryan needing neck surgery, Punk leaving WWE, etc. I don't think you can overstate the degree to which wrestling "news" discussion on the Internet begins and ends with him.
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Mob posted:I'm just saying the phrase "wrestling journalism" is laughable, but the closest thing anyone will ever get to a real rear end wrestling journalist is Meltzer. He does a lot better than most mainstream actual journalists.
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Gonzo McFee posted:He does a lot better than most mainstream actual journalists. You might want to re-read what I wrote and see that I'm actually saying Meltzer is the only person good at the fake industry LividLiquid posted:Now granted, all I know is what I learned from running my college newspaper and taking a few courses, but I can't imagine that's less than you're working with here. Well gosh guy who's never been wrong or misinformed about anything on this forum ever before
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Mob posted:You might want to re-read what I wrote and see that I'm actually saying Meltzer is the only person good at the fake industry I was agreeing with you.
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Gonzo McFee posted:I was agreeing with you. Cool I just read it incorrectly, sorry. Also I think Meltzer is like, a billion times better at MMA journalism but it really just seems like he cares WAY more about MMA, like he does more things that an actual reporter would do. That's probably pretty obvious to the people who rabidly follow him though.
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Jun 15, 2014 12:56
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Just use star ratings as a guide on maybe you should check that out but never take it as the gospal on how good a match is also he loves to downgrade matches by a quarter just to not hand out 5 flakes especially in WWE the last few years.
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That's true, it's like if you get an A- then you really got an A but it means the professor doesn't like you.
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Star ratings are not very useful for comparisons. They are useful for finding great stuff to watch and making Sting look bad. His last 4 star sings match was in 1999!Dunbar posted:Are there any other wrestling writers who have any sources in WWE/TNA/etc and Japan who can actually break stories and news before they happen? I can't think of anyone else who does legit reporting on things like Bryan needing neck surgery, Punk leaving WWE, etc. I don't think you can overstate the degree to which wrestling "news" discussion on the Internet begins and ends with him.
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Star ratings are about as useful as this forum's MOTY thread, Dave has his favorites and can be very biased especially if he sees the match in person. But, they do a good enough job of sorting the good stuff to the top, and like others said before the internet got huge his star ratings were basically how tape traders got things done. I have a giant box full of Best Of tapes from the 90s in the basement that are largely compiled by WON star ratings. As for other reporters, are Bob Ryder and Dave Scherer still around? At this point I would think someone like Austin or JR would be breaking more stories than anyone other than Meltzer though.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Meltzer's knowledge of wrestling history is rivaled by only a few people in the industry, so if he says a match is good, that's more or less the end of the discussion. His five-star ratings surpassed the Undertaker's streak this year as the most protected thing in wrestling MY CLIENT KAZUCHIKA OKADA CONQUERED RIC FLAIR'S FIVE STAR STREAK AT THE OBSERVER* *I don't know if this is true
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I remember some time in the attitude era there were some weird variations of the scratch logo, was this true or was I dreaming this?! It looked similar , but a bit hosed up? I swear I saw a pic of the gorilla position curtain with it on?
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Luigi Thirty posted:MY CLIENT KAZUCHIKA OKADA CONQUERED RIC FLAIR'S FIVE STAR STREAK AT THE OBSERVER* If you're talking about the 6 year period where there were no 5-flake matches, then either John Cena or CM Punk claims that honor.
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simosimo posted:I remember some time in the attitude era there were some weird variations of the scratch logo, was this true or was I dreaming this?! These are the only variants I can find/remember. The first one looks a little fatter, but other than that, it's the same. http://i.imgur.com/rCu7oJB.jpg http://tinyurl.com/o4pftrm
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simosimo posted:I remember some time in the attitude era there were some weird variations of the scratch logo, was this true or was I dreaming this?! Your not wrong. They had a weird looking handmade one on the curtain below the titantron for a very short time.
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LividLiquid posted:How deep is that cave on mars in which you live that you've never heard of Gene Siskel or Roger Ebert? Yeah, see, it doesn't happen with them. People on film forums don't talk about 5-star or 4-star films like it's a fact that the films have those ratings. I could understand if we were quoting polled ratings from Metacritic which would give a better feel for what a lot of people thought of something, but seriously guys, you're talking about ONE GUY'S opinion like it's not just an opinion.
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magnum_valentino posted:Yeah, see, it doesn't happen with them. People on film forums don't talk about 5-star or 4-star films like it's a fact that the films have those ratings. I could understand if we were quoting polled ratings from Metacritic which would give a better feel for what a lot of people thought of something, but seriously guys, you're talking about ONE GUY'S opinion like it's not just an opinion. Which is exactly what Siskel and Ebert were? Replace Meltzer with them and star ratings with thumbs up, and they were basically the only movie reviewers anyone knew of or trusted for a solid decade on syndicated TV, and longer before that. This poo poo predates forums by a loooong margin.
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Is it true that Kevin Sullivan beat Nancy?
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That's why everyone was so relieved when she left him for Benoit.
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I just want to be clear that what is happening is that we are arguing about why people argue about ratings.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Is it true that Kevin Sullivan beat Nancy?
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