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Sam.
Jan 1, 2009

"I thought we had something, Shepard. Something real."
:qq:

Ofaloaf posted:

I would be down for that. I suck poo poo at events, and most counties haven't any assigned characters as of yet. Plus I've kind of been wallowing and not doing much and having somebody else doing stuff is a good motivator to do work myself.

Email me at kremvax.chernenko@gmail.com

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Ofaloaf
Feb 15, 2013

Email sent! Get yourself dropbox if you haven't already.

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




ToxicSlurpee posted:

The main things about Vikings stick around. You can still raid and pillage, take concubines, and conquer anything on the shore you drat well please. Things next to you, as well. As was said boats in rivers is going to crap out over time but there comes a point where that stops mattering. Your retinue bonus also gets cut in half from 30% extra to 15% extra. You also lose defensive attrition but that you'll lose when you're fighting people with Military Organization level 4 or higher anyway.

However, the stuff you gain is actually incredible. You can actually have Proselytize be more than a 1% chance, which lets you convert poo poo properly. Norse territories (new Norse, old Norse is still balls easy to convert) are harder to convert after reformation, which is actually a massive deal.

Reforming is absolutely worth it and should be one of your earliest goals if you're playing Norse. Your short reign penalty isn't so crushingly awful, you can shift away from Gavelkind, and you can raise crown authority beyond Low. The few things that you do lose aren't a huge deal, especially compared to all the poo poo you gain.

If you plan to form Scandinavia and don't have military organization 4 yet, then taking the lovely territory in Finland can be much more annoying after reforming. Mostly the fins don't have many troops, so you lose more men to defensive attrition than you do to fighting.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

I've been trying various starts as House Hammer. I think one that might work is heading straight for the Scandinavian peninsula when the chiefs are weakened. I succeeded on one but got myself into ridiculous debt with the other, bumping up my revolt risk massively due to being unable to pay for any sherrifs, then my king had to deal with a peasant uprising.

So it's sort of working out well. 6-monthly iron man saves are also so, so great. :allears:

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
What are the odds of a child being born with a congenital trait if neither of their parents have one? So far I've popped out a daughter with genius and a son with strong, both from the same parents who have neither trait.

Bold Robot
Jan 6, 2009

Be brave.



nutranurse posted:

Auto-invite is a really mixed blessing because you'll end up inviting arbitrary drunkards into your supposedly secret fold.

I try to watch out for people with these traits:
drunkard
imbeciles
lunatics
arbitrary*
decietful*
slothful

*these two I will invite in if they're not paired with too many other bad traits.

Is this actually how it works? I feel like I read somewhere that it's actually just a % chance based on how many people you have in your plot, but I dunno if it was an authoritative source or anything.

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

Bold Robot posted:

Is this actually how it works? I feel like I read somewhere that it's actually just a % chance based on how many people you have in your plot, but I dunno if it was an authoritative source or anything.

One of the events is they get drunk and blab about the plan in the tavern, which I've seen non-drunkards do, but maybe it has increased odds of happening if they've got the trait. It seems plausible that traits would affect a plot's chance of being revealed, but it may be more of an overall MTTH thing rather than for each individual plotter.

Bloody Pom
Jun 5, 2011



CharlestheHammer posted:

I am now the favored heir to the Byzantine empire. While imprisoned for rebelling. Huh, don't I feel dumb.

And then you get castrated. :v:

lurksion
Mar 21, 2013

MrBling posted:

Finally, is it worth it to make the Knight retinue? I know that heavy cavalry are real good but with my 18000 retinue cap I can have either 5500 in Knights or 15500 in skirmish retinue. And really, that many archers makes assaulting in sieges trivial.

Bold Robot posted:

I'd also be interested in seeing the answer to this. Are Knights worth the cap cost?
About average. I said I was working on a retinue guide at one point in the CK2 Jewish Succession game that takes into account tactics, but never really completed it (and what I have done is now outdated after ROI added in some new tactics).

Their problem is basically expensive, and a mixed unit - tactic bonuses aren't applied to all units. Thye have crappy skirmish statistics, and while their individual unit strength is high in melee, it's actually not that high on a retinue point basis. Furthermore, even though the new "Crushing Charge" tactic switches state to melee and avoids the crappy skirmish phase, it doesn't provide as much of a bonus as the other melee tactics you'd like to roll.

Compare to Cataphracts, which trade slightly less melee strength for considerably higher skrimish statistics (and still have that chance at Crushing Charge).

Allyn
Sep 4, 2007

I love Charlie from Busted!

hellsjudge posted:

Since I'm from Texas, I've been keeping my Patrician alive even though he is Incapable. This is making my game last longer (Ironman) cause I close out the game every time he dies. He is over 50, should I just give up hope on him ever coming out of his coma? :(


e: Welp, gonna wait this one out. After electing the Pope and being denied my divine right to invade England, I stabbed the King and finally got my invasion approved. Time to rape, pillage and generally tyrant it up and then let my Patrician drift off to eternal slumber :getin:

There's only one way to remove incapable and it stems from an event line involving a regent falsely claiming you're insane. If it's genuinely health related, no, you can never get rid of being incapable.

Rynoto
Apr 27, 2009
It doesn't help that I'm fat as fuck, so my face shouldn't be shown off in the first place.

Bold Robot posted:

Is this actually how it works? I feel like I read somewhere that it's actually just a % chance based on how many people you have in your plot, but I dunno if it was an authoritative source or anything.

According to the plot_events.txt file, the "Drunk plot member spills the beans" event MTTH is modified by:
code:
mean_time_to_happen = {
		months = 240

		modifier = {
			factor = 0.5
			trait = drunkard
		}
		modifier = {
			factor = 0.5
			trait = imbecile
		}
		modifier = {
			factor = 0.75
			trait = slow
		}
		modifier = {
			factor = 10.0
			trait = temperate
		}
		modifier = {
			factor = 2.0
			trait = genius
		}
		modifier = {
			factor = 1.5
			trait = quick
		}
	}
This can trigger for any_backed_character.

Invite all those Temperate people!

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.
I built the third temple, created Israel, and restored the high priesthood. I didn't get the title for it though it went to some random nobody. Is there a special way to get the title back? Also how does the money lender thing work since I'm Jewish and fixed everything?

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo

grancheater posted:

"The duchies are kinda hosed up" you say while Andalucía is in Scottish hands.

Eh, crusades. You know what they're like. It actually ended super fast, I had only just managed to sail my guys (and Jutte, my german Jeanne d'Arc) down there and then it was over. I guess Scotland captured the sultan.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Azuth0667 posted:

I built the third temple, created Israel, and restored the high priesthood. I didn't get the title for it though it went to some random nobody. Is there a special way to get the title back? Also how does the money lender thing work since I'm Jewish and fixed everything?

Working as designed. There's no way for you to become the Kohen Gadol, as the Kohen Gadol has to be a Rabbi and the King of Israel isn't a Rabbi. Also, Jews cannot lend with interest to other Jews, established in the Talmud, so Jewish rulers can't borrow from Jewish moneylenders. :jewish:

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Civilized Fishbot posted:

Working as designed. There's no way for you to become the Kohen Gadol, as the Kohen Gadol has to be a Rabbi and the King of Israel isn't a Rabbi. Also, Jews cannot lend with interest to other Jews, established in the Talmud, so Jewish rulers can't borrow from Jewish moneylenders. :jewish:

Can I be the medieval version of a collection agency and hound other rulers for debts?

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




Do jewish leaders get the bonus for jewish councillors?

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Angela Christine posted:

Do jewish leaders get the bonus for jewish councillors?

I seem to be getting more coming to my court but, they've mostly been mediocre. "Random dude would make a great steward," of course the guy has a 3 in stewardship :downs:. I haven't noticed any opinion bonuses either forming Israel apparently pissed off all of the other religions though. Shia, Sunni and Catholics decided it was jihad/crusade time.

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

I wish this game had a 'hold court' decision and the game automatically generates of issues you need to resolve among your subjects. Sometimes you just don't have anything to do while you're waiting for a claim to fabricate or something.

Talky
Mar 26, 2010
Crazy Alt-History Story time! The TLDR version is that I started up a HIP game as Matilda of Tuscany thinking that I haven't actually played Catholics for a while. Instead my dynasty received a divine mandate and caused the Mega-Reformation by 1171.

Things were going more or less as the usually do for the for the first few decades. Things went off the rails when Matilda got possessed in in her late 30's. I was anticipating all kinds of Satanic hi-jinks. However, Matilda seemed to have been possessed by Free Love Liberation Theology Jesus rather then Satan. She started tumbling lots of dudes in her court, falling in love with all of them. Jesus whispered in her ear and gave her military advice, and she only occasionally spoke in tongues. She also ended up with 6 of the 7 virtues and zealotry.

Jesus was apparently really pissed at the pope, because Matilda kept getting possession events that turned her heretic. First Jesus had her invent Catharism (at a time when the only other heresy that had ever existed were some Lollards in Scotland). After a few weeks one of her three lovers, Pope Pius II, asks her to reconvert. I go with it cause I still wanted to just play a Catholic, and from a role-play perspective this was a personal request from the Pope. Who she had been having a decade long love affair with.

Well Jesus doesn't like this, and a couple years later she gets an event that causes her to invent the Dulcinian heresy. This is a new one added in HIP; historically it called for reducing church corruption, allowing women to be priests, and so on. You know, the usual. Oh and also the violent overthrow of the feudal system and a form of early Christian socialism. I guess Jesus obviously wanted Matilda to rock the boat a bit. That heresy sticks for a year or two, but then one of her other lovers asks her to reconvert again. At that point the HRE had granted independence to me and all the other Italian vassals (I had nothing to do with this at all). So I reconvert because there's a new Pope who hates me, and I'm no longer protected from holy wars by the HRE. And it seemed a bit silly for someone who spent her whole life building a kingdom to want to end feudalism.

Rebellious Possession Jesus is persistent though, and next he makes Matilda join the Fraticelli. At this point it's pretty clear to me that I gotta just go with it, so I get her vassals to convert and buckle in.

Four generations later and the Di Canossa dynasty has pretty much single-handedly destroyed Catholicism just by stubbornly holding on to Italy. Like, I literally never conquered anything outside Italia, and waged very few offensive wars. I actually just sort of lucked into the Empire title. I was playing as Matilda's grandson, and married the daughter of the King of Serbia, who surprised me by asking me to help press his weak claim on Sicily. I do that, because it would replace a hostile catholic neighbor with an orthodox ally who can't holy war me. I then discover that my (now Fraticelli) wife is first in line to inherit the throne of Serbia-Sicily. This leads to a few decades where my wife and I split the peninsula, fending off two or three Catholic Crusades and a Shia Jihad as Europe's heretical power couple. I eventually have to let the Croatians and Byzantines have the Serbian lands, but they never usurp the kingdom and my wife keeps it as her primary title.

I eventually die in battle defending Serbian-Sicily. My wife lives, so I become their 12 year old son, Tiziano, helping mom fend off all comers. Unfortunately while I'm helping her holy war the Pope out of Rome, the Genoese press some Catholic dude's claim to Sicily and win before I can finish the holy war and join that one. So there's a period of about 5 years where the Shia Caliph holds the Island of Sicily, I rule Fraticelli Italy, the Catholics rule Italian Sicily, and Mom rules the former Papal States while insisting that she is the Queen of Serbia. The Pope squats in Galicia.

Eventually mom dies, and "Tiziano the Wise" inherits Papal Serbia and her claim on Sicily. A bit later I've pressed my claim, fought off another Crusade, and created the Fraticelli papacy and the Empire of Italia. Fraticelli moral authority hits 85%. Somewhere in all this Catholicism has hit literally 0% MA. Almost all of Italy has converted, and large swaths of France and German provinces begin to as well. The HRE, my longtime ally, officially embraces the Fraticelli Pope. I help him crush a revolt by the few Catholic vassals that refuse to follow his lead, and Europe erupts into holy wars. Other heresies have gained steam as well, and the British Isles are a war zone between Cathar England, Catholic Scotland and France, and various Catholic, Lollard, and Fraticelli Irish and Welsh lords. Denmark and Sweden are beset by nearly constant Waldesian revolts. The Catholic Pope plots in Galicia, seeking to engineer his return to Rome while the Catholic Jimena Kingdoms fight an endless stalemate with the Andalusian Sunnis.

The Fraticelli Pope seems to have decided that the solution to this religious turmoil is to unite western Christendom by declaring a crusade for Jerusalem (the first crusade that isn't for somewhere in Italy). The Orthodox realms and the Seljuks have enjoyed a nearly constant peace ever since Rum formed, in sharp contrast to the endless bloodshed in the West. Now we're about to disrupt that by launching a hopeless attack on the single most powerful man in the world, "Uluc Seljuk of Happy Memory," who commands more troops then Italia, the HRE, and France combined; and whose empire stretches from the Ganges to Jerusalem and from Turkestan to Yemen.

More or less all because Matilda of Tuscany was a very charismatic crazy person.

Talky fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Jun 17, 2014

Techno Remix
Feb 13, 2012

Just out of general curiosity, how long do you find it takes to play a full game (either from 867 or 1066). Just trying to get a sense if I'm dragging my heels here and being way too interested in everything that pops up.

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug
Does anybody know how I can get the special characters to work in the customization dialog box for titles?

I want to rename the Kingdom of Gardariki to the Kingdom of Holmgardr and the Empire of Russia to Gardariki (but with all the weird poo poo in it too) but when I copy paste from somewhere else, it pastes as something else. If I can't do that, then where should I go to edit it directly?

Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

Azuth0667 posted:

I seem to be getting more coming to my court but, they've mostly been mediocre. "Random dude would make a great steward," of course the guy has a 3 in stewardship :downs:. I haven't noticed any opinion bonuses either forming Israel apparently pissed off all of the other religions though. Shia, Sunni and Catholics decided it was jihad/crusade time.

Someone really should make those events give courtiers that are not like that. It's a pretty dumb thing to say "THIS GUY ROCKS" and give you crap.

EDIT: Hm. That's weird. I could have sworn I had the same thing happen, but it looks like there's coding in here to make sure your guy is at least decent.

Midnight Voyager fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Jun 17, 2014

Rumda
Nov 4, 2009

Moth Lesbian Comrade

Chief Savage Man posted:

Does anybody know how I can get the special characters to work in the customization dialog box for titles?

I want to rename the Kingdom of Gardariki to the Kingdom of Holmgardr and the Empire of Russia to Gardariki (but with all the weird poo poo in it too) but when I copy paste from somewhere else, it pastes as something else. If I can't do that, then where should I go to edit it directly?

Standard alt codes work http://www.alt-codes.net

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug

Rumda posted:

Standard alt codes work http://www.alt-codes.net

Cool thanks.



This seems way way more appropriate than Russia.

Keeping together this empire with gavelkind is very interesting (and involves a whole lot of dead infants) but I am doing rather well. I'm a little peeved though that I helped the King of Denmark subjugate Norway in the hopes he would reform but instead he converted to Catholicism so the knives came out and now Denmark is ruled by a former courtier I matrilineally married to my daughter and Sweden is run by a toddler who I will supplant with some other pagan so I can subjugate them with my next king. Usually when I get this large in CK2, I am ready to give up but the Mongols will be showing up soon enough so I'd like to do battle with them. It's amazing how much the game has improved since I last played (Sword of Islam). Retinues in particular are such a good feature.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Angela Christine posted:

Do jewish leaders get the bonus for jewish councillors?

Yes. My 25 Martial guy became 26 when I made him Marshal.

Rumda
Nov 4, 2009

Moth Lesbian Comrade

Jedit posted:

Yes. My 25 Martial guy became 26 when I made him Marshal.

Na he's talking about the events everyone can take the ambitions

Ratpick
Oct 9, 2012

And no one ate dinner that night.
Funny thing I noticed about my girlfriend's game: when her current Emperor was still Swedish his name was Mats, but the moment he culture-flipped to Welsh he became Math, which apparently is a Welsh name. I've never seen anything like this before, but it was a nice touch. I'm just wondering if there are any other names that have other-culture equivalents like this.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Hey, is there any way to change the kingdom in the "Become King of ____" ambition? My count currently has King of Denmark as valid. Switching his primary title to Telemark in Norway doesnt switch the target of that ambition. GRRR drat you chancellor, work faster!

Dallan Invictus
Oct 11, 2007

The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes, look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.

Ratpick posted:

Funny thing I noticed about my girlfriend's game: when her current Emperor was still Swedish his name was Mats, but the moment he culture-flipped to Welsh he became Math, which apparently is a Welsh name. I've never seen anything like this before, but it was a nice touch. I'm just wondering if there are any other names that have other-culture equivalents like this.

Lots of them, actually. If you look in the culture text files under common/, any name with an underscore after it is followed by its "equivalent", and the game links them together so, say, John becomes Jean becomes Ivan if you go from English to French to Russian. It's an inspired touch.

Skellybones
May 31, 2011




Fun Shoe

Ratpick posted:

Funny thing I noticed about my girlfriend's game: when her current Emperor was still Swedish his name was Mats, but the moment he culture-flipped to Welsh he became Math, which apparently is a Welsh name. I've never seen anything like this before, but it was a nice touch. I'm just wondering if there are any other names that have other-culture equivalents like this.

In the culture file that lists the names, many of them have cross-culture versions. For example, someone could be called Cristin, Kristina, Kristen, Kristiina, Christine, Krystyna, Krisztina or a few other variants, because the entry in that culture has '_Christina' appended, so when the game sees that name it checks for suitable translations.

Mats can translate to Mathias, Mads, Matteo, Mateu, Mazhe, Matiya, Matfei, Mateusz, Maciej, Matija... and Matthew.

E: another new thing added is religiously tied names, so for example, only Muslims are named Muhammed etc.

Skellybones fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Jun 17, 2014

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here
Ugh, my ironman Emperor just died at age 40 of "natural causes" and left my 2 diplomacy son in charge since I hadn't designated his genius brother as heir yet.

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.


Talky posted:

she gets an event that causes her to invent the Dulcian heresy. This is a new one added in HIP; historically it called for reducing church corruption, allowing women to be priests, and so on. You know, the usual. Oh and also the violent overthrow of the feudal system and a form of early Christian socialism.
I've never heard of this. Does anyone have any information on how I can read up on it? Google and Wiki have nothing.

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

Beamed posted:

I've never heard of this. Does anyone have any information on how I can read up on it? Google and Wiki have nothing.

Talky made a typo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dulcinian

NihilVerumNisiMors
Aug 16, 2012
I previously said the small Iberian kingdoms are stupid but now I realized how amazingly broken they can be in conjunction with elective succession - Since you can easily hold an entire de jure kingdom by yourself you are the sole elector. Just destroy every other kingdom and you're good to go. :aaa:

Boing
Jul 12, 2005

trapped in custom title factory, send help
Someone mentioned Merchant Republics are overpowered. But as far as I can tell your only CBs are really slow, you are taking cities at a time and maybe turning them into county conquests later. It doesn't seem like you can achieve any significant expansion as quickly as most other game types can. How do you get your big empires? Are you just supposed to declare holy war on muslims and roll them with your mercenary armies?

Piell
Sep 3, 2006

Grey Worm's Ken doll-like groin throbbed with the anticipatory pleasure that only a slightly warm and moist piece of lemoncake could offer


Young Orc

Boing posted:

Someone mentioned Merchant Republics are overpowered. But as far as I can tell your only CBs are really slow, you are taking cities at a time and maybe turning them into county conquests later. It doesn't seem like you can achieve any significant expansion as quickly as most other game types can. How do you get your big empires? Are you just supposed to declare holy war on muslims and roll them with your mercenary armies?

Merchant Republics get like 10x the cash flow that regular feudal nations do, which is why they are so good. Get some good CBs from your religion and you're set.

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

I stopped playing CKII around when Rajas was announced, in part because the game continuously broken (in my opinion) by a patch or expansion breaking things and Paradox would take forever to fix it. I have read the past two pages of the thread trying to catch up but I havent seen much on the state of the game - is anything horribly broken right now? How is Rajas? Any big new features?

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug

SynthOrange posted:

Hey, is there any way to change the kingdom in the "Become King of ____" ambition? My count currently has King of Denmark as valid. Switching his primary title to Telemark in Norway doesnt switch the target of that ambition. GRRR drat you chancellor, work faster!

It's based on what de jure kingom your capital is, not your primary title.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Mickey McKey posted:

I stopped playing CKII around when Rajas was announced, in part because the game continuously broken (in my opinion) by a patch or expansion breaking things and Paradox would take forever to fix it. I have read the past two pages of the thread trying to catch up but I havent seen much on the state of the game - is anything horribly broken right now? How is Rajas? Any big new features?

It's getting pretty close to being fixed. I think that the only game-breaking bug remaining is the one that turns everyone else hostile to you, but reloading a save fixes that.

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Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

NihilVerumNisiMors posted:

I previously said the small Iberian kingdoms are stupid but now I realized how amazingly broken they can be in conjunction with elective succession - Since you can easily hold an entire de jure kingdom by yourself you are the sole elector. Just destroy every other kingdom and you're good to go. :aaa:

This works amazingly for 100 years, and then the dukes start becoming de jure.

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