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Thello
Jan 14, 2007

Captain's Log...

DrunkMidget posted:

I think it's pretty early in the podcast's life to get the pulse on it, but your production values are very good and the stories will get better as time goes on. I almost feel like I'm listening to an NPR broadcast with the narration, sounds and then cut to the quoted person telling the story in their words, but it's about weed and sex and funny poo poo that happens to people. It's an interesting concept and I'd say keep rolling with it for a while and see where it leads.

Thanks! A comparison to NPR is nothing to sneeze at. Not everything's about weed and sex, but since it's not public radio, I do dig the opportunity to go there.

quote:

A solid effort with a Radiolab-sans-Krulwich feel. Some of the audio cues are louder than they should be and a couple times drown out the speaker. Sometimes they seem to be there just for the sake of being there or can sound really fake (especially the crowd noises).

Also, consider letting the subject of the interview bring the emotion to the story and let them tell how they're feeling rather than making it the narrator's responsibility.

Length is o-k, maybe a little long to hear from just the one person recounting experiences that aren't terribly notable or uncommon. Consider adding in a second person (or more) to talk about that story to give further context and insight. I'd rather hear from one of the woman's parents about their thoughts on her self-imposed sterilization and would be less inclined to think of the virginity story as anything but a really lame Penthouse letter if I could hear from someone else that was there.
You're right about the audio cues, especially in the early episodes. It's a bitch mixing for podcasts; film is easy. With a podcast, I'm simultaneously mixing for headphones and everyone's awful Macbook speakers.

Ditto on the narration. As I move forward, it'll primarily be used as a means to bridge gaps where the story either wasn't told succinctly or the tone doesn't fit.

Thanks for the feedback. Definitely considering experimenting with more than one person, but I think that'll be a rarity. Radiolab, TAL, Risk - these shows have swaths of people working to find stories, secure music, transcribe, edit, etc. For the time being, singular interviews might be all I can afford.

In positive news, I'm officially featured in the Canadian iTunes store. Crazy. Downloads through the god dang roof.

Thello fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Mar 14, 2014

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VELOUR SPACESUIT
Feb 4, 2008

Well well well, this looks to be one disturbingly erotic post
I have been doing a weekly comic book review podcast for a little over a year now and I was wondering if I should start putting my podcast on YouTube. Does anyone have any experience with this? I know some of the podcasts I listen to do this, but I just didn't know if there was a down side or whatnot.

Also, how do you promote? I sometimes feel like I am a drop in the bucket of podcasts (especially nerdy ones) but at least I am consistent and I feel like I have good ideas and opinions.

Thello
Jan 14, 2007

Captain's Log...

VELOUR SPACESUIT posted:

I have been doing a weekly comic book review podcast for a little over a year now and I was wondering if I should start putting my podcast on YouTube. Does anyone have any experience with this? I know some of the podcasts I listen to do this, but I just didn't know if there was a down side or whatnot.

Also, how do you promote? I sometimes feel like I am a drop in the bucket of podcasts (especially nerdy ones) but at least I am consistent and I feel like I have good ideas and opinions.
Reviews are super duper damned important. Like stupid important as far as iTunes rankings go.

I haven't experimented with YouTube, but there's merit there if your episode is talking about a specific comic. Reflect that in your title and you should draw hits. No real downside to speak of unless you're concerned about drawing away downloads from your RSS feed. That's a possibility, but in all likelihood, if somebody finds your podcast on YouTube, they were never going to listen to it on iTunes.

Ulta
Oct 3, 2006

Snail on my head ready to go.
Besides iTunes (which can be a bitch to get the average listener to go out and do) the best promotion luck I've had was with other podcasts. Not only is making friends with like minded fellows a good way to expand your audience, you also get the enjoyment of friendship.

Facebook advertising is at best useless and possibly harmful.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oVfHeWTKjag
tl;dr - click farms will click any advertising and pages to look like normal users. Facebook only shows a percentage of your fans your posts, so having fake fans means less actual fans get to see your posts.

The Not a Real Job podcast episode 26 does some analysis of what happened when they paid 200 bucks to get on MBMBAM money zone. Spoiler: its a much better deal than Facebook/Google

Poopinstein
Apr 1, 2003

Yeah you did it!

Ulta posted:

Besides iTunes (which can be a bitch to get the average listener to go out and do) the best promotion luck I've had was with other podcasts. Not only is making friends with like minded fellows a good way to expand your audience, you also get the enjoyment of friendship.


Promotion's tough but Ulta's right; getting in with other podcasts is a boon. Record a 15-30 second bumper for your show, start reaching out to other shows with similar content and ask them if they'd like to trade bumpers. They throw yours in, you throw there's in, works pretty well. Being active in the 'community' is a big help too. Start calling or emailing into shows, mention where you're from (your show) but provide actual feedback and add to the ongoing conversation. Having guests on from other shows, guesting on other shows helps a lot too.

Having an active twitter can help as well. Find a way tie twitter in to your own show, getting the listeners involved. For Bloody Good Horror, we always encourage users to ask us anything using #askbgh on twitter, then we have a segment on the show where we read & answer those questions. Usually light hearted fun stuff. If you do the Twitter thing, make sure you interact with the listeners when they tweet at you!

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

I've mentioned the podcast I host a couple of times. Every year at GenCon we host a seminar on starting your own podcast, and every year I look for ways to improve the advice we're giving. Would any of you be willing to check out our working outline and critique/comment on it? Things I missed, things I'm being stupid about, advice you'd add, etc.

Ulta
Oct 3, 2006

Snail on my head ready to go.
On the technical side, you might want to mention Libsyn. For non-tech inclined, it just works. They say the starting package is $5, but it's $7 if you want stats (everyone wants stats). The "app" package is kinda BS.

Stitcher is out there as well, it's no iTunes but it has a presence and it's free.

I agree about throw away episodes, but the quickest way to lose an audience is an inconsistent release schedual. Also post something on social media at least once a day.

Puzzle Thing
Dec 12, 2006
Your life is as steak!
My friends and I really got into Nerd Poker awhile ago, and decided to start recording our weekly D&D meets. It's so much fun actually being able to share this stupid stuff with other people, and it's surprisingly nice having the story archived. That way I can check if I forget something or just listen for myself. (I based this on Thello's post because his presentation was really nice)


Genre
D&D, Nerd Poker
Links
Facebook | RSS | iTunes | Stitcher

Summary
We meet up and play DnD. There're 6 players besides myself, though the last one joined like 4 episodes in. I have to confess that I've never been the most rules heavy DM, so that might frustrate some people. I've always been more into the storytelling aspect of it.

Let me know if there's anything you guys think I should do to improve it. The first episode is undoubtedly the roughest since our most quiet player goes first, but she gets way better as it goes (there was also something wrong with her mic that we had to keep manually fixing until we replaced it). We usually aim for like an hour.

Flint_Paper
Jun 7, 2004

This isn't cool at all Looshkin! These are dark forces you're titting about with!

Crossposting from Games:

I've just started a new gaming podcast (you know - like everyone else under the sun) so I thought I'd sling it here.

First episode here: http://www.gatecrashnetwork.com/pod...-that-got-away/ and should be on iTunes...soon?

It's called The Game That Got Away and is basically a podcast encouraging guests to finish games they've not got round to completing. I talk to the guest about who they are and what they do, then we chat about what game they really want to finish. Then we both go away and try to finish it in a couple of weeks, to talk it through on the next episode. Each episode has two guests and each guest features on two episodes. All clear?

Good.

The first episode (as there is no previous episode's guest to interview) kicks off with an interview with Mark Meer, voice of the male Commander Shepard from Mass Effect (amongst other things).

I have not played Mass Effect. This was fine.

The second part of the episode is an interview with gamer, goon and comedian, Steve McNeil, who returns in episode 2 to mak life difficult for me once more.

God this is horribly confusing. It makes sense when you hear it, I promise.

The one thing I've learned is that having a professional voice actor as your first guest on your first ever podcast makes you sound like a stammering lunatic in comparison. It's okay though. It bests better, I swear.

I've got some ace guests lined up for future episodes and their interviews went really nicely. They include a writer for the BBC, the deputy editor of The New Statesman and an author of a book on how the nascent British videogame industry of the 70s and 80s helped shape the industry today. It's rad as hell and I'm really excited about releasing more. One thing I want is to have this show get really nerdy, so rather than two comedians talking to each other, I want to get people in the industry involved, or people from interesting backgrounds &c. Basically I want as much behind-the-scenes stuff as I do chucklestuff.


As an aside, I'm committed to having an even gender split in my show, so while ep1 is just two dudes, there are women in episodes 2 and 3 and beyond - I'm going to do my goddamn best to get a 50/50 balance.

Would be really interested to hear your thoughts!

EDIT: We're now on iTunes! At last! https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-game-that-got-away/id849984650?mt=2

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Ulta
Oct 3, 2006

Snail on my head ready to go.
Anyone else going to PAX East? I didn't see much podcasting related activities on the schedule, but I'm usually up for a drink and nerdy conversation.

Thello
Jan 14, 2007

Captain's Log...
Anyone experienced with monetization, re: sponsorships or other forms of making some dang rent money? I managed to get a couple episodes licensed on PRX, but the pay is pennies by the minute.

Antifreeze Head
Jun 6, 2005

It begins
Pillbug

Thello posted:

Anyone experienced with monetization

In addition to knowing how many people listen to your podcast, advertisers really want to know who your audience is at a macro level. Knowing that also helps you target people to sell your ad inventory to. There isn't a whole lot to figuring that out for a super niche podcast, but the one you have is way too broad to say anything meaningful about its listenership. There isn't a media buyer anywhere that wants to hear the word "everyone" when discussing demographics.

Even if you know what your audience is, your expected earnings would be quite low, well below the threshold of what I would consider to be "rent money."

Five episodes isn't really enough to convince anyone you're established and in it for the long haul. It's a similar situation for a guy I know, he sells a :30 spot for the princely sum of six bucks. He has a niche program that's one hour long program that releases a couple times a week. If he sells out his inventory (and I know he doesn't), he'd make a whopping $144 a month.

Considering that you have a podcast that is much shorter, there is no way to cram a minute and a half of ads in there and expect people to listen to them. You can probably get one :30 spot in there for the same price and when you consider your bi-weekly release schedule, you're inline to make 12 whole Canadian dollars in the average month!

You could aim a little higher than that, but short of an angel investor, you aren't going to realize more cash for a :30 ad than radio stations get in your area. You can ask around for rate cards if you want, but it looks like you can get a :30 on CITR (campus/community) for $25 and CHMJ (that weird traffic station) would run you $40. That's clearly more money, but your slow release schedule puts your best expectations between $650 and $1040 for an entire year. I'll hazard a guess that your listenership is orders of magnitude below the 70-thousand "people" the BBM estimates tune into CHMJ every day, so realistic expectations have you towards the bottom end (and perhaps lower still depending on your download numbers) of that range rather than the top.

It all hardly seems worth the time of trying to even figure out who your audience is, not to mention cold calling potential advertisers, doing the creative, the production and everything else necessary to get the sponsorship going. You would literally be better off working an afternoon shift every Saturday at a Dairy Queen.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



If you have a really engaged audience you might be better off going to http://www.patreon.com/ or https://subbable.com/creators and trying to setup things there. Your listeners can donate whatever they want on a reoccurring basis.

codyclarke
Jan 10, 2006

IDIOT SOUP


Recently started up a weekly movie podcast for my blog Smug Film. Regular co-hosts include fellow film-obsessed goon and Smug Film critic penismightier. We're three episodes in at the moment, and new episodes go up every Monday (Sunday night at Midnight).

If you like movies of all sorts of genres, this is the podcast for you! We candidly discuss the new and the old. Check us out on iTunes.

Thello posted:

Anyone experienced with monetization, re: sponsorships or other forms of making some dang rent money? I managed to get a couple episodes licensed on PRX, but the pay is pennies by the minute.

We've been able to find a sponsor for each episode, just by putting the word out to friends. Our price is $10 for a 45-60 second plug at the start of the show, as well a written plug in the blog post for each episode.

codyclarke fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Apr 21, 2014

Thello
Jan 14, 2007

Captain's Log...

Antifreeze Head posted:

It's impossible.
Obviously, traditional advertising spots are not the weapon of choice here. This isn't radio. Audible offers an affiliate program for podcasts. Essentially, anyone who clicked that and signed up would get a free audiobook and in turn earn me $15. Admittedly, the clickthrough rate is very, very low (it's one of the oldest and largest programs), but I think there's plenty of opportunity for growth in affiliate marketing. Not a living, but some scratch is better than none. You can't go from zip to zillions only a few months in.


Nitrousoxide posted:

If you have a really engaged audience you might be better off going to http://www.patreon.com/ or https://subbable.com/creators and trying to setup things there. Your listeners can donate whatever they want on a reoccurring basis.
I think these are great ideas. My listenership is big into the arts and seem a fairly lovely, loyal bunch. Something to think about when I qualify.

On a personal note, I'm super happy with the way things are going on The Lapse. I'm starting to get stories from abroad and the few I have backlogged are just outstanding. I'm really really excited to get them up. If anyone runs a similar show, check out the Third Coast Festival Documentary Competition. Ira Glass will be judging one of the categories.

Thello fucked around with this message at 21:31 on May 8, 2014

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Nov 11, 2003

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:siren: :siren: If anyone is looking for a home for their new (or existing) podcast my buddy Tyler is starting a podcast network and is looking for content. There are no specific genres he's looking for, so whether you have a political podcast, a nerd podcast, a humor podcast, or whatever else, you can probably put it on the Wave4m Network.

His website is Wave4m.TV and you can e-mail him at: wave4mnetwork@gmail.com. Tell him Nick sent you.

Xarthor fucked around with this message at 22:20 on May 8, 2014

Professor Dog
Jul 25, 2007
My friend and I are about to finish our first run of episodes of Last Stop to Nowhere, a podcast on Australian history.



The latest ep is my favourite one yet. We follow the first royal tour of Australia in 1867, a staggeringly awful fiasco during which the Prince's jewels are stolen, several children are set on fire, almost every gala ends in a riot (or the building burning down) and culminating with the Prince getting shot in the back at a charity picnic. His would-be assassin claims to be a member of an underground Irish resistance group called the Fenian Brotherhood and one Australian politician makes it his personal mission to root out an Australian Fenian cell, to salvage his own flagging career.

Other episodes include the attempt by Australian workers and poets to start a socialist utopia in Paraguay, the right wing paramilitary that plotted a coup to overthrow the NSW government during the Great Depression and gatecrashed the opening of the Sydney Harbour Bridge, and the Japanese doomsday cult that tested Sarin gas (and possibly more) in Australia before the Tokyo subway attack.

Each ep is between 1hr and 1hr 20 minutes long, so there's a lot to digest, but we try and mix a bit of humour in there as well, and try to balance good storytelling with raw facts. It's been a blast to record, and the feedback has been really encouraging. We're going to take a break after ep 11 comes out to hit the books and prepare for another 10-12 episodes to close out the year. In the mean time I am going to force myself to use our twitter/make a facebook page/start actually promoting it and engaging with the listeners.

Any feedback is welcome - we've got some time after the next ep comes out to think about improvements.

iTunes link: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/last-stop-to-nowhere/id797217364?mt=2

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

I'm looking to do a podcast myself. Can you guys reccomend a good mic to use? I have a pair of P11 TurtleBeach headphones with a mic, do you guys think that is good?

Daryl Surat
Apr 6, 2002

I don't care what you say about this post, but if anyone steps on my bunion, I'll kill them!

BigRed0427 posted:

I'm looking to do a podcast myself. Can you guys reccomend a good mic to use? I have a pair of P11 TurtleBeach headphones with a mic, do you guys think that is good?

It's fine to start on, and the reason is because you already own them. When you're starting a podcast, my advice is to spend as close to no money as possible. If you can put out 10 episodes without deciding it's too much hassle (in my experience, editing is far more time-consuming than recording but it's also what makes your show stand out from the pack), then look into nicer equipment, hosting, and so on.

Ulta
Oct 3, 2006

Snail on my head ready to go.

BigRed0427 posted:

I'm looking to do a podcast myself. Can you guys reccomend a good mic to use? I have a pair of P11 TurtleBeach headphones with a mic, do you guys think that is good?

The Blue Yeti are a good compromise between quality and cost, usually can pick them up on sale for under $100. However, I'd record something and see if your concept is strong and interesting enough to you before investing in equipment. Make sure you have a pasion for podcasting, because closets are lined with equipment people bought and then used for a month. Just podcast!

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Daryl Surat posted:

It's fine to start on, and the reason is because you already own them. When you're starting a podcast, my advice is to spend as close to no money as possible. If you can put out 10 episodes without deciding it's too much hassle (in my experience, editing is far more time-consuming than recording but it's also what makes your show stand out from the pack), then look into nicer equipment, hosting, and so on.

Thanks. I have them hooked up and am using Garage Band to record, just getting use to using the software. But I am getting some kind of feedback in the headphones that the Mic is picking up. Is there a way to remove it or to just turn the headphones off completely? (They have to be plugged in for the mic to work)

BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Jun 2, 2014

Antifreeze Head
Jun 6, 2005

It begins
Pillbug
Start with turning down the mic gain in the software. You might have to boost your waveform later, but that's better than feedback.

You could also just mute the headphone audio playback as you record. Just the regular mute function through your computer should manage that.

And if you have a Rock Band/Guitar Hero/Whatever game microphone, try that. The quality should be comparable to the one on the headset and it can be kept farther away so that might also fix your problem.

Serious Cephalopod
Jul 1, 2007

This is a Serious post for a Serious thread.

Bloop Bloop Bloop
Pillbug
I do a podcast called postscripts with another goon. We do it at a "radio" station, and thought the structured time, the equipment and paying rent on the space makes us more likely to do it, it's a little expensive and they haven't put us up on their website, yet.

Does anyone else have this sort of set up? I think we're spending $105 a month (this includes our soundcloud subscription). Is this reasonable? Should we just gently caress off and make room elsewhere?

Ulta
Oct 3, 2006

Snail on my head ready to go.

Serious Cephalopod posted:

I do a podcast called postscripts with another goon. We do it at a "radio" station, and thought the structured time, the equipment and paying rent on the space makes us more likely to do it, it's a little expensive and they haven't put us up on their website, yet.

Does anyone else have this sort of set up? I think we're spending $105 a month (this includes our soundcloud subscription). Is this reasonable? Should we just gently caress off and make room elsewhere?

Jeez, this seems insane! Are you paying for actual radio airtime or something? I hope the audio quality is immaculate, but is the size of your audience warrant that much? For what you are paying in one month you can buy a really good mic.

edit: Also I can't find your podcast anywhere. Are you on iTunes?

King Lou
Jun 3, 2004
They say the fittest shall survive, yet the unfit may live

That is an absurd amount of money to pay to get a podcast "aired." Please share the name of the website/radio station. I mean iTunes is free to use. A lybsyn or Bluburry media hosting plan is like $15 a month. Whats the rest of the money for?

Serious Cephalopod
Jul 1, 2007

This is a Serious post for a Serious thread.

Bloop Bloop Bloop
Pillbug

King Lou posted:

That is an absurd amount of money to pay to get a podcast "aired." Please share the name of the website/radio station. I mean iTunes is free to use. A lybsyn or Bluburry media hosting plan is like $15 a month. Whats the rest of the money for?

Rent for the space in san francisco and to pay the person running the station. I don't think there is actual air time. The website is mutinyradio.fm . This isn't a huge amount in SF for this sort of thing, unfortunately, but it seems like everyone here thinks it's unreasonable.

We haven't done anything with itunes, yet. This is the first time we've remembered to grab the podcast (and make sure we got the full audio file). We're at postscriptspodcast.com . I am totally embarrassed by the sound quality, but the mixing is live, only. It doesn't let you adjust the levels.

God drat, I need to learn what the gently caress I'm doing

codyclarke
Jan 10, 2006

IDIOT SOUP

Serious Cephalopod posted:

God drat, I need to learn what the gently caress I'm doing

You're being ripped off. You can do a better sounding podcast on your own, in your apartment, for cheaper. Not cheaper than $100, but in the long run, cheaper.

Antifreeze Head
Jun 6, 2005

It begins
Pillbug

Serious Cephalopod posted:

God drat, I need to learn what the gently caress I'm doing

From the first few minutes of Air Bod, it sounds like only one person is talking directly into the microphone. Paul (I think, the guy who did Carl Kasell) is the worst offender, he sounds like he's only being picked up by the other mics and the woman seems to often be talking to the side of her microphone. That seems to be supported by the photo of her not at all talking into the microphone properly.

You could go in afterwards and boost their levels afterwards to minimize (but not fix) that issue, but it's easy enough to not create that problem in the first place.

Poopinstein
Apr 1, 2003

Yeah you did it!
Are you even getting on their little online radio station there at mutinyradio.fm? They don't even have you listed. The other big concern here is you're paying out that much $$ a month and you're not even getting access to any kind of 'market'. If you're not on their 'station' and not on iTunes, how are you getting out to listeners?

You could invest around $200-250 up front on some decent mic's and do all of this from home for at most, $15 a month like King Lou said. If this place isn't airing your show or even helping you mix on equipment you're not familiar with, you're not getting your $105 worth.

Antifreeze Head
Jun 6, 2005

It begins
Pillbug
I don't think Serious Cephalopod has given us enough information to say if he is or is not being ripped off. Soundcloud is $15 of that, and if the remaining $90 buys enough studio time to do a two hour podcast every week, that brings the hourly rate down to about ten bucks. Sure, that will add up over time and the resources seem comically under-/misused, but he would be hard pressed to find a cheaper price at some other studio. It's maybe not even a bad idea to do it for a month or two before investing into equipment just to see if this is something that will continue.

As for content, I honestly can't get through more than the 30 minutes of this thing that I listened to last night because it is so unfocused. I thought the opening was cute and that raised my expectations that there could be something interesting happening, but then the show wandered about like a cow in the pasture. For instance, the early discussion of what everyone watched recently - nobody cares about that if you aren't immediately going to discuss it, so don't even bring it up.

You are there (I think) to discuss a bad movie from the 90s, so do that instead. I think you get around to that about 20-25 minutes in, but first I had to listen to that stuff I already mentioned, plus a game of 20 questions*, something about Slenderman, penis monsters and some other stuff that isn't at all about the movie you were apparently there to discuss. When you finally do get around to talking about the movie, you're soon off on another tangent about Ghost Dog and Cop Dog and what the gently caress, then 40 cups of water and I don't even care anymore. Strongly consider mapping out a tight show plan, which is more like a script with timing that could be down to the minute rather than a loose outline like you might have to give a speech in your World Issues class in high school.

Because you are discussing Cop Dog, it makes me think you've watched the Red Letter Media Plinkett reviews. If so, you'll notice one of the things he does really well in those reviews is makes use of actualities from the piece. It connects the audience to the subject matter and shows that you aren't just making up stuff or embellishing it beyond what it actually is. And it's something you could do too because it is covered under fair use, so you won't have to worry about copyright issues.

*The 20 questions thing is kinda neat, something that could work at the end to set up next week's movie, but making your guest guess what movie you are going to talk about in that very episode is a sure sign that the guest isn't up to speed on the subject matter. Why did you think it was a good idea to have a podcast and then purposefully include people in that podcast that don't really know what you are talking about?

King Lou
Jun 3, 2004
They say the fittest shall survive, yet the unfit may live

I think the most unusual thing is the renting of the studio. I would be willing to bet that 99% of the people in this thread self-produce their show and have learned through trial & error and getting advice on hardware and so on from the thread.

So when someone says they are paying for to rent a studio to record for $105 a month its surprising. For the cost of 3-4 months rental you could have a decent set up with multiple mics and a mixer. Hell, even one months studio rental gets you a beginner podcast kit. Can we get an idea of what you get for your money? Also why wouldn't you always get a copy of your work as a file? Is it being recorded live to Soundcloud?

I mean if sounds like you're just paying to use their facilities to record. If paying to record there doesn't guarantee you an internet "airtime" on their network it seems weird. But then again they would have a terrible station if they didn't curate it for quality.

So as a business they are just renting out their stuff for people to use. Not ripping people off. I'm assuming not all the shows they air use that equpiment. I'd also be curious as what led you to use this service in the first place.

EDIT: 2 hours is so long... so very long.

King Lou fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Jun 19, 2014

Serious Cephalopod
Jul 1, 2007

This is a Serious post for a Serious thread.

Bloop Bloop Bloop
Pillbug
Uh, guys, I am the woman, and not a guest. We noticed the audio problems- Paul was too far away and my drat mic won't stand up. I don't really like the 2 hour time length, but that's what we get.

Let me structure this better-

This is one of 7(?) recordings. I'm hoping we'll get the rest soon.

Good things I've learned from your feedback all ready
* 2 hours is way too long. Probably not too long to record, but it needs to be edited down.
* I need to talk into the mic
* We need to direct the guest to talk into the mic
* Develop a stricter structure
* More audio clips of the actual movie
* More practice with the

Here's some questions:

Is there any good free software to record/edit multiple voice tracks on? We have audacity and garage band so far.
This is the kind of mic we're looking at- http://www.shure.com/americas/products/microphones/sm/sm58-vocal-microphone
Is it worth it to get a condenser mic as well? We got a LOT of background noise before.
What's a good length? 45 minutes? An hour?
Every time we start, we pretend to be a different show or podcast as a gag. Opinions?
Is there any benefit to streaming live, when the content is so long? Is there any benefit to allowing listeners to call in?

WHY I USE MUTINY RADIO-
Mutiny radio is a local radio station that helped me get my start in stand up comedy. I was planning on donating to them anyway, and though $80/month is more than I was planning, it seemed like the structure was worth it. We gain: a) Dedicated recording schedule b) A quiet place to record c) mics d) physical mixer e) a place that doesn't require us to repeatedly tell our significant others they aren't allowed to participate f)a place that can sit us and a guest. We expected that all of our podcasts would be up in one month. They have not. We've definitely lost a lot of patience about that. Mostly our problem is we both need structure to Thinking about it (and about their really lovely fundraising practices) it doesn't make as much sense as I thought. Though again, I don't think it's unreasonable for my area.


We've based our podcast idea off of 1 or 2 people watching a movie recently and the other not having seen it since childhood. The person who hasn't recently watched the movie is tasked with trying to remember as much as they can about the movie. This time, I happened to have never seen Airbud 3. We might do 20 questions for the guest to guess the next movie again. I think that'll work better than just announcing our movie at the end.

We haven't been getting our files because we've been moving them to the dropbox and forgetting to save a copy ourselves. They're moved out of drop box later by their "tech guy" who's only qualifications is that he vaguely knows how to use dropbox.

gently caress, that's a lot of words. We're leaving this station as soon as we save up for mics.

Professor Dog
Jul 25, 2007

Serious Cephalopod posted:

Is there any good free software to record/edit multiple voice tracks on? We have audacity and garage band so far.

We just use Audacity for ours, haven't had any issues with it.

Serious Cephalopod posted:

What's a good length? 45 minutes? An hour?

Personally, I think an hour is a good time to shoot for. I'm most likely to download podcasts that are an hour long, but that might be because it's the length of my commute (sigh) and also the length of a decent walk if I'm listening on the weekend. But if I'm into a podcast already, then I'll download eps that are longer or shorter. I think there's a certain level of trust/confidence that you have to build up first though, by putting out a consistent podcast on a regular schedule.

Serious Cephalopod posted:

Every time we start, we pretend to be a different show or podcast as a gag. Opinions?

Might not be a good idea at the very beginning of your show's run, because you want to build your own voice first. But as an occasional gag I could see it being funny.

As for your deal with Mutiny Radio, I get where you're coming from in terms of supporting them because they gave you your break. But there are ways to do that which don't shackle you to a production routine that's not really working. Have you thought of doing your own recordings with your own equipment and then just trying to get them aired there? Or, hell, just give them a plug if you feel like you want to give back to them. it just seems like most/all of the benefits you listed could be achieved for (in the long run) less money and less hassle by getting your own stuff.

Daryl Surat
Apr 6, 2002

I don't care what you say about this post, but if anyone steps on my bunion, I'll kill them!

Serious Cephalopod posted:

Good things I've learned from your feedback all ready
* 2 hours is way too long. Probably not too long to record, but it needs to be edited down.
* I need to talk into the mic
* We need to direct the guest to talk into the mic
* Develop a stricter structure
* More audio clips of the actual movie
* More practice with the [?]

I've been on podcasts dedicated to reviewing media for several years, and in general the upper limit for just talking about one thing is about an hour after editing. I know people say the ideal podcast length is 45 minutes (average commute length) but I average around 60-90 (usually with other segments, such as answering listener email) and it's fine. The key is to not have dead time and speak to the point. There are tons of movie review podcasts and most of them think "we'll let it be free-form and off-the-cuff" to sell people on the charisma of the hosts (and to get out of editing). If you edit your show and have a basic outline in mind, that'll help you stand out. I don't think audio clips of the actual work being reviewed are all too critical. If done well, briefly describing a scene in your own words sufficiently to contextualize what's being discussed is more entertaining.

Serious Cephalopod posted:

Is there any good free software to record/edit multiple voice tracks on? We have audacity and garage band so far.
This is the kind of mic we're looking at- http://www.shure.com/americas/products/microphones/sm/sm58-vocal-microphone
Is it worth it to get a condenser mic as well? We got a LOT of background noise before.
What's a good length? 45 minutes? An hour?
Every time we start, we pretend to be a different show or podcast as a gag. Opinions?
Is there any benefit to streaming live, when the content is so long? Is there any benefit to allowing listeners to call in?

Audacity is what I started off using and it's what I still use. For discussion recordings, I'm not convinced of the utility of the more complex non-linear audio editing programs. The Shure SM58 and SM57 are the mics I use now, connected to the PC via a USB preamp/mixer (I actually have a SM58S which is the same mic just with an on/off switch; turns out you'd never want to use the switch instead of just hitting Mute on a mixer or in software because it'll add a click to your recording). You don't want one of those mega-fancy condenser or ribbon microphones if background noise is a factor.

Pretending to be another show is a joke dependent entirely on recognition: it only works if a listener is aware of said show in the first place. It'd also have to be a good impersonation down to the technical details. Personally, I'd say it's best to not remind people of more established podcasts than your own.

Serious Cephalopod posted:

We've based our podcast idea off of 1 or 2 people watching a movie recently and the other not having seen it since childhood. The person who hasn't recently watched the movie is tasked with trying to remember as much as they can about the movie. This time, I happened to have never seen Airbud 3. We might do 20 questions for the guest to guess the next movie again. I think that'll work better than just announcing our movie at the end.

"In your childhood"? But Air Bud 3 only came out in 2001--oh right, being in my mid-30s means I'm old now. :(

King Lou
Jun 3, 2004
They say the fittest shall survive, yet the unfit may live

To be clear. With Audacity you aren't recording distinct audio tracks. Typically you have multiple mics plugged into a mixer and the mixer goes into a analog/digital converter that connects to a PC via USB. That signial is a mixed track that has all the speakers on one track. I would bet that hardly any podcasters are recording discrete tracks for each speaker.

Daryl Surat
Apr 6, 2002

I don't care what you say about this post, but if anyone steps on my bunion, I'll kill them!

King Lou posted:

To be clear. With Audacity you aren't recording distinct audio tracks. Typically you have multiple mics plugged into a mixer and the mixer goes into a analog/digital converter that connects to a PC via USB. That signal is a mixed track that has all the speakers on one track. I would bet that hardly any podcasters are recording discrete tracks for each speaker.

That doesn't seem like too safe a bet to make. Any podcast where all the hosts are local (that is, within the same room) that is recorded using a USB mixer or preamp (aka what most people buying such equipment within the last few years for podcasting would get) will separate each channel onto its own track when sent into the PC, such that Audacity WILL record distinct audio tracks for each microphone. For any podcast where all the hosts are remote such that the recording is done over Skype, everybody has the ability to record themselves so as not to be subject to any compression or lag issues introduced by VoIP. So then you just import everyone's separate recordings into Audacity and you'll have everyone on separate tracks. Sync at the beginning and make sure that when you cut/copy/paste you highlight all tracks to ensure things stay synced.

My show is recorded over Skype, and on my end I can record my own voice track discretely and everybody else is mixed onto the second track. This second track is discarded during the editing process, since its only use is as an emergency backup, or to assist in the initial sync of all discrete tracks recorded. It's important to record this way because it allows you to individually correct everybody's audio/noise levels while also enabling you to eliminate all crosstalk. Even if you found yourself having to use the second track (perhaps if you had guests calling in via phone), you can still isolate your own audio track to prevent anyone from ever talking over you.

Doing recordings where everything is merged into one track before being sent to the PC for recording is not something I'd recommend anybody do, as it'd make editing even more of a pain than it already is. The most common case I can see where that setup is used is when people own USB microphones.

Daryl Surat fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Jun 18, 2014

King Lou
Jun 3, 2004
They say the fittest shall survive, yet the unfit may live

Daryl Surat posted:

That doesn't seem like too safe a bet to make. Any podcast where all the hosts are local (that is, within the same room) that is recorded using a USB mixer or preamp (aka what most people buying such equipment within the last few years for podcasting would get) will separate each channel onto its own track when sent into the PC, such that Audacity WILL record distinct audio tracks for each microphone. For any podcast where all the hosts are remote such that the recording is done over Skype, everybody has the ability to record themselves so as not to be subject to any compression or lag issues introduced by VoIP. So then you just import everyone's separate recordings into Audacity and you'll have everyone on separate tracks. Sync at the beginning and make sure that when you cut/copy/paste you highlight all tracks to ensure things stay synced.

My show is recorded over Skype, and on my end I can record my own voice track discretely and everybody else is mixed onto the second track. This second track is discarded during the editing process, since its only use is as an emergency backup, or to assist in the initial sync of all discrete tracks recorded. It's important to record this way because it allows you to individually correct everybody's audio/noise levels while also enabling you to eliminate all crosstalk. Even if you found yourself having to use the second track (perhaps if you had guests calling in via phone), you can still isolate your own audio track to prevent anyone from ever talking over you.

Doing recordings where everything is merged into one track before being sent to the PC for recording is not something I'd recommend anybody do, as it'd make editing even more of a pain than it already is. The most common case I can see where that setup is used is when people own USB microphones.

I have never heard of such a USB mixer that still outputs indivdual audio streams via USB to Audacity. Can you please link me to such a thing?

I have done the remote disctinct recordings via Skype before but to my knowledge every show I've sat on where we are all at a table with a mixer taking all our signals in is putting out a single audio signal that is ingested as 1 track.

King Lou fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Jun 18, 2014

Daryl Surat
Apr 6, 2002

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King Lou posted:

I have never heard of such a USB mixer that still outputs indivdual audio streams via USB to Audacity. Can you please link me to such a thing?

I have done the remote distinct recordings via Skype before but to my knowledge every show I've sat on where we are all at a table with a mixer taking all our signals in is putting out a single audio signal that is ingested as 1 track.

I use this old thing and I suppose what I said is technically inaccurate as I only use two inputs such that the resulting input comes in as a stereo track with my audio on the left and audio I hear on the right, which I then split to mono. But I believe the newer USB 2.0 model as well as the Firewire models will support the full set of direct PC inputs if you set up VST connections. They come with Cubase LE so it definitely can be set up to work with that. The Audacity wiki says the drivers for the Alesis mixers only support multi-channel recording in Audacity under Windows XP, not 7 or 8 but for all I know that may be out of date. In any case, it's not something I really need to use since I don't have more than two inputs going into the mixer to begin with.

Antifreeze Head
Jun 6, 2005

It begins
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King Lou posted:

I have never heard of such a USB mixer that still outputs indivdual audio streams via USB to Audacity. Can you please link me to such a thing?

I have done the remote disctinct recordings via Skype before but to my knowledge every show I've sat on where we are all at a table with a mixer taking all our signals in is putting out a single audio signal that is ingested as 1 track.

In addition to that Alesis that Daryl Surat mentions, there is the Behringer XENYX UFX 1204/1604 that get you more than two using USB. They seem to be limited to four tracks, though apparently they have the ability to record up to 12/16 individual tracks to a USB stick so someone only occasionally needing more than four could go that route and just dump it all into some editor once the session is done. TASCAM also had the M-164UF, though it is apparently discontinued. There's probably a couple others that aren't made anymore, which makes me think the early models may not have been quite all they were hyped to be and that scared people off USB/kept them content with aging FireWire stuff.

If multi-track to a memory device then ship off to a computer is something that people don't mind working with, there's also stuff like the Zoom R16/24. They are small and portable (they can even be operated on batteries) which is great if the same spot won't always be used to record the podcast. They only have two phantom powered XLRs, so they aren't great if you want to use a bunch of condenser mics, but it should pair well with the Shure SM58s that Cephalopod is leaning towards.

The real drawback for any of these solutions for podcasters is cost. They're certainly cheaper than setting up a full studio with rack mounts and a DAW controller, but you're still looking at $300 to $700 on top of the cost of the mics. Throw in the cost of cabling, mic stands and some sort of concoction for everyone to monitor the sound in their headphones, and you can be looking at $900 or so as a targeted minimum to have in the bank to get everything you need.

You don't have to give up on the dream of individual tracks if you are one of the poors, just take the same principle of the recorded Skype call and apply it to a local setting by simply adding a second computer. Using the Mic 1 Left/Mic 2 Right thing, everything gets its own individual track with two cheap USB mixers instead of one that is much more expensive. Just remember to clap really loud once everyone is recording so whomever is editing can easily synch everything.

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Daryl Surat
Apr 6, 2002

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Antifreeze Head posted:

You don't have to give up on the dream of individual tracks if you are one of the poors, just take the same principle of the recorded Skype call and apply it to a local setting by simply adding a second computer. Using the Mic 1 Left/Mic 2 Right thing, everything gets its own individual track with two cheap USB mixers instead of one that is much more expensive. Just remember to clap really loud once everyone is recording so whomever is editing can easily synch everything.

Another thing to consider if you don't need to do the whole hardware mixer route is pre-amps. I have a slightly older version of the M-Audio MobilePre USB (disregard that pricetag as these things can typically be had for under $100) and that alone can take two inputs, either XLR or 1/4".

Later on when I got the Alesis mixer, I opted to still plug my mic into the preamp, then have the preamp's output go into the mixer's input. I don't think this actually has practical benefit so much as it makes me feel like I'm using all this stuff I gradually bought over the years, but my show being almost entirely vocals is released at 64 kbps 22050 Hz. That's like 25 MB for about an hour. These hardware purchases have less to do with upping the sound quality and more to do with getting a good recording that you can basically run a noise removal / Levelator on at most before you get something presentable.

There is one bit of equipment I've always been curious about : hardware compressors/gates. Anyone use these? Do they work as I envision, which is to say that it keeps your recorded waveform roughly consistent regardless of whether you speak quietly or yell?

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