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I don't think it is a direct political statement but rather a comment on the jugheaded realpolitik of the book. If it were making a completely direct, unambiguous statement, though, it's really funny: these liberals singing kumbaya are going to get us all killed.
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Despite being kind of a buffoon, I think Ordell Robie is Sam Jackson's scariest role.
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Jun 16, 2014 20:13
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Despite being kind of a buffoon, I think Ordell Robie is Sam Jackson's scariest role. Agreed, although despite being extremely ruthless he's also fairly predictable. Another example of a character in the movie having a set routine in how they operate because they've been doing it for a while and are too tired/old/lazy to change.
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Jun 16, 2014 20:17
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priznat posted:Agreed, although despite being extremely ruthless he's also fairly predictable. Another example of a character in the movie having a set routine in how they operate because they've been doing it for a while and are too tired/old/lazy to change. Yeah, and actually the fact that he's dumber than he thinks he is makes him scarier, because he's likely to kill you before he's finished thinking it through all the way.
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Jun 16, 2014 20:19
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Yeah, and actually the fact that he's dumber than he thinks he is actually makes him scarier, because he's likely to kill you before he's finished thinking it through all the way. That's one of my favourite things about Leonard books, criminals are almost always dumb as hell. The fact that Ordell is a good deal smarter than the average criminal still doesn't make him all that smart.
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priznat posted:That's one of my favourite things about Leonard books, criminals are almost always dumb as hell. The fact that Ordell is a good deal smarter than the average criminal still doesn't make him all that smart. Yeah this applies to Don Cheadle's whole gang (and, for that matter, Albert Brooks' character) in Out of Sight too.
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Pander posted:Also I don't remember seeing it mentioned, but Death Note anime is up now. It's one of those "good even for people who don't like anime" type shows like Cowboy Bebop. Death Note is seriously intense - like, Breaking Bad levels of intense - and manages to avoid most anime cliches to boot. I'm glad that it's finally streaming. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I don't think it is a direct political statement but rather a comment on the jugheaded realpolitik of the book. If it were making a completely direct, unambiguous statement, though, it's really funny: these liberals singing kumbaya are going to get us all killed. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, then. I'm as sensitive to right-wing propaganda as the next socialist but I seriously think that you're projecting your own biases into that scene if you try to wring an anti-leftie/anti-Palestinian moral out of it.
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I don't think something has to be literally propaganda to be charged. Remember that the book specifically and repeatedly points out that the two apartheid governments, Israel and South Africa, are the two best equipped to come up with a proactive plan to keep "zombies" away from humans. The movie merely makes a joke out of that.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I don't think something has to be literally propaganda to be charged. Remember that the book specifically and repeatedly points out that the two apartheid governments, Israel and South Africa, are the two best equipped to come up with a proactive plan to keep "zombies" away from humans. The movie merely makes a joke out of that. The fact Israel and SA are in the position they are makes sense in the way it makes sense that a totalitarian police state like North Korea is probably better at riot control than, say, Lawrence Kansas. Each comes with a price (civil war in Israel, effective genocide in South Africa and most nations that enact the Soufrican plan). I think I'm missing the point of the discussion, so I'll just end it by recommending WWZ the movie if you want an action thriller in a sorta-turn-brain-off vein. Also, the Israeli female soldier who lends Brad Pitt's character a hand is pretty good in her role, too.
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Jun 16, 2014 21:53
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Pander posted:The fact Israel and SA are in the position they are makes sense in the way it makes sense that a totalitarian police state like North Korea is probably better at riot control than, say, Lawrence Kansas. Each comes with a price (civil war in Israel, effective genocide in South Africa and most nations that enact the Soufrican plan). This made me laugh way more than it should.
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Pander posted:Also I don't remember seeing it mentioned, but Death Note anime is up now. It's one of those "good even for people who don't like anime" type shows like Cowboy Bebop. While I really enjoy Death Note, the second half isn't near as good in my opinion as the first half, so watcher beware or something.
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Mr E posted:While I really enjoy Death Note, the second half isn't near as good in my opinion as the first half, so watcher beware or something. Not really the second half, more like the last third. When a certain very huge thing happens, just skip to the final episode.
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Jun 17, 2014 04:55
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SALT CURES HAM posted:Not really the second half, more like the last third. Yeah, now that I think about it, that's right, not the entire last half.
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Jun 17, 2014 04:56
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I kind of wish the live action Death Note movies were on Netflix because they solve that problem by ending the story with L using the second note on himself before Light kills him as in the source, as a way of incriminating Light, and I feel it vastly improves the story as a result.
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mr. stefan posted:I kind of wish the live action Death Note movies were on Netflix because they solve that problem by ending the story with L using the second note on himself before Light kills him as in the source, as a way of incriminating Light, and I feel it vastly improves the story as a result. This was the ending the author wanted to use! But his publisher demanded 13 volumes out of him, instead of 7, so we got the Near/Mello arc instead. I do like the final episode of the show, but it's just not the same. CaptCommy fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Jun 17, 2014 |
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Jun 17, 2014 05:03
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mysterious frankie posted:Maria Bamford: The Special Special Special is up on US Netflix. She does an hour long comedy special in her house and the audience is her mom and dad.
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SALT CURES HAM posted:Not really the second half, more like the last third. When that certain very huge thing happens, just stop watching and go back to hating anime. Edit: But I do endorse the first 25 or so episodes. Real cool stuff.
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Jun 17, 2014 05:27
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I've only seen Jackie Brown once maybe a year ago but I remember needing more than a few sittings to get through it v v
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Yea there's an episode that ends in a way most reasonable people would assume ends the story, so just be a reasonable person and stop watching then.
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If you watch death note please keep this video on hand to play at opportune moments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_wEs9x7G3w
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Sarchasm posted:When that certain very huge thing happens, just stop watching and go back to hating anime. The last episode is actually really good though and makes a pretty good epilogue to the show if you ignore everything between episode 25 and it.
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RightClickSaveAs posted:Oh thanks, I've been wanting to watch this. Maria Bamford is next level brilliant, she should be super famous and selling out theaters but I think she just makes a lot of people uncomfortable or something. Her voices are really disconcerting as to how much more real they sound than her "normal" speaking voice. I bought a humble bundle with a bunch of comedy specials purely because of hers. It's a great special. I really enjoyed the whole thing. It's endearing, with it's odd conceit.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yea there's an episode that ends in a way most reasonable people would assume ends the story, so just be a reasonable person and stop watching then. Nah, definitely skip from that episode to the very last one (if you're looking to skip stuff). That plot point is definitely not how the author wanted things to end for Light.
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Pander posted:Also I don't remember seeing it mentioned, but Death Note anime is up now. It's one of those "good even for people who don't like anime" type shows like Cowboy Bebop. I read that as Death Wish anime at first. Now that would have been something to see. Yeah, Death Note is definitely worth watching even if you're usually turned off by anime. The second half is definitely a lot worse than the first half, but stick it out to the finale, it's worth it.
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Devil Wears Wings posted:Death Note is seriously intense - like, Breaking Bad levels of intense - and manages to avoid most anime cliches to boot. I'm glad that it's finally streaming. No, no it isn't. Why is Death Note even being spoken in the same sentence as Breaking Bad? Death Note is terrible, cliche, and as others have already pointed out, poorly written. Nothing like Breaking Bad in any way shape or form. The show is terrible, with terrible characters, lovely plots, obvious 'yeah I guess I saw that coming' episodes and just bleh. BLEH!
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How come whenever someone recommends an anime and says "it's totally perfect for people who don't like anime" it's usually a bright neon warning sign of a lovely show?
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The thing about Death Note is, the point at which things get kinda dumb is roughly the point at which the authors wanted to end the series. They were forced into continuing it by the publisher, and basically threw their hands up and said "gently caress it" and wrote garbage until they were allowed to stop. If you watch up until episode 25 and then skip to the last episode, you're basically getting what the authors originally intended.
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Meatwave posted:How come whenever someone recommends an anime and says "it's totally perfect for people who don't like anime" it's usually a bright neon warning sign of a lovely show? Someone once recommended Inuyasha to me this way. Inuyasha.
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Wolfsheim posted:Someone once recommended Inuyasha to me this way. Inuyasha. Did this person have a vendetta against you, or something?
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Enjoyed Doc of the Dead. A pretty tongue-in-cheek look at the zombie movie culture with some good interviews and some crazy poo poo like a guy trying to filter his own urine and drink it spoiler his face: priceless porkchop_express fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Jun 17, 2014 |
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I'm actually curious as to what cliches Death Note avoids. Because when I watched it it seemed like any other anime. (including clingy sexy embarrassing to watch in front people anime girl!)
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drunken officeparty posted:I've only seen Jackie Brown once maybe a year ago but I remember needing more than a few sittings to get through it v Jackie Brown is a good movie, but of all of Tarantino's films it's the one that sticks out in my mind the least. Maybe it's because it's just far enough removed from his usual style of "take a bunch of over-the-top moments and jam as many as can fit in a 2-hour movie". It almost feels like Jackie Brown mainly exists to prove that Tarantino can make a good, straightforward film. The guy's a good director, and his critics and detractors don't give him enough credit on that front. They think he's all style and pop culture references, but most of his movies are that way because that's what he has the most fun making. Meatwave posted:How come whenever someone recommends an anime and says "it's totally perfect for people who don't like anime" it's usually a bright neon warning sign of a lovely show? The only time you can reliably expect that statement to be true is if the person making it isn't an anime fan. Being really big into anime kind of warps your perceptions of what normal people would actually enjoy.
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Leper Residue posted:No, no it isn't. Why is Death Note even being spoken in the same sentence as Breaking Bad? Death Note is terrible, cliche, and as others have already pointed out, poorly written. Nothing like Breaking Bad in any way shape or form. The show is terrible, with terrible characters, lovely plots, obvious 'yeah I guess I saw that coming' episodes and just bleh. BLEH! So exactly like Breaking Bad, then. 
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Beauyaka posted:Since I learned that she is legit mentally unstable, I have kinda given her a pass on her voice. She talks about it in one of her Nerdist interviews. I, too, find it strange that her 'normal' affect is so odd, but then it makes her character voices even funnier. Her stage character is a really brilliant construction. It's like a well-meaning anxiety disorder was turned into a human, got diagnosed with bipolar disorder, keeps forgetting to take its medication, and started doing 15 minute sets at The Comedy Store. And doing the special at home is a wonderful conceit, because the closed quarters really heightens the tension that she exudes.
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Inudeku posted:I'm actually curious as to what cliches Death Note avoids. Because when I watched it it seemed like any other anime. (including clingy sexy embarrassing to watch in front people anime girl!) Death Note has a lot of anime cliches, but they're never taken to gross extremes. That's really the best you can hope for when it comes to Japanese cartoons, honestly. I don't remember Misa being embarrassing or offputting, but admittedly it's been a few years since I watched it. It is rather deft at subverting cliches, but you might not notice how unless you're big into detective fiction. Also it's nothing like Breaking Bad, nerds. They both have a decent amount of tension, but by that logic they're also both exactly like Jaws.
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This has probably been mentioned before, but The Twilight Zone is up. It's one of those classics that really holds up, so I'd watch it if you haven't gotten around to it.
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Inudeku posted:I'm actually curious as to what cliches Death Note avoids. Because when I watched it it seemed like any other anime. (including clingy sexy embarrassing to watch in front people anime girl!) The girl in Death Note is basically Light's Harley Quinn. She's clingy, but because they're both loving psychotic, not because SENPAI NOTICED ME UGUU. If you can find yourself watching a Batman cartoon and not that, your problems with anime are probably more systemic than any one show is going to fix. The biggest cliche I remember the show avoiding is that the characters don't act like idiots. Most anime I've seen, you get sick of people making the stupidest possible choice at all times in a ham-handed attempt at melodrama. Death Note is about one guy thinking five steps ahead only to find the other guy thought six steps.
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Erebus posted:The girl in Death Note is basically Light's Harley Quinn. She's clingy, but because they're both loving psychotic, not because SENPAI NOTICED ME UGUU. If you can find yourself watching a Batman cartoon and not that, your problems with anime are probably more systemic than any one show is going to fix. Misa is absolutely "SENPAI NOTICED ME UGUU" I guess I could be remembering wrong but I'm pretty sure I'm not. It also got tiring with the whole "I got you! Just kidding, I got you! Haha kidding again I got you getting me!" Not to mention the witty, sometime humorous non-human sidekick.
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In the end Death Note is still an anime and feels like a standard anime mostly. It isn't nearly as smart or mature in any sense of either words compared to other anime that's actually good. I'd say, yes, it is more mature than most anime is naturally, but it isn't mature enough to take itself that seriously. It is also incredibly ridiculous. And the whole "Death Note is about one guy thinking five steps ahead only to find the other guy thought six steps" thing... No, that's probably the worst part of the series. A bunch of Deus Ex Hunches and shots in the dark that are always correct. There's an example of actually good anime right on netflix. Actually after checking there are two. Samurai Champloo and Eden of the East are both fine examples of actually incredibly, INSANELY good anime. Death Note is always recommended, but like elfen lied. It's a bunch of cheap thrills disguised by a bunch of cerebral bullshit. The same thing is true for Attack on Titan. I think that makes Death Note even worse. It's cheap thrills for pseudo-philosophical "goths". It doesn't have the visceral action or tension that Elfen or Titan has. Its cheap thrills are not based upon gloriously over the top action sequences, it tries way to hard to be cerebral but it's just so badly written that the only thrill the show has are the tense situations. But the setup is sometimes so ridiculous that it practically takes the piss out of itself. I'd recommend Blue Gender over Death Note. NeoSeeker fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Jun 17, 2014 |
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