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Excels posted:If you want hard evidence of people's total ignorance toward eastern countries, look no further than the KONY 2012 campaign, which ended with the creator stark raving mad, naked in the streets and jerking off onto cars. Millions of dollars were spent, no child soldier warlords were defeated. I've never heard anyone describe African countries as "Eastern" before, is this a new thing? (Well I've heard of "Eastern African countries" but now "eastern countries" in general; I would have though that was in Asia.)
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:There's a (at least one) guy in Canada who got registered as a sex offender because he imported loli hentai. I can't remember whereabouts, but this was like ten years ago, so I think it was out in the prairies somewhere. It happens. Yeah clearly it does happen and I understand revulsion at the dude/material, I just don't see how you justify criminalizing an act with no identifiable victim. I mean it seems like standard commercial hetero porn is way more problematic in terms of victimizing/exploiting people than a mere drawing could ever be.
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Thermos H Christ posted:Yeah clearly it does happen and I understand revulsion at the dude/material, I just don't see how you justify criminalizing an act with no identifiable victim. I mean it seems like standard commercial hetero porn is way more problematic in terms of victimizing/exploiting people than a mere drawing could ever be. There are some definable 'victims' from that sort of thing though, in that it is used by child molesters to groom children, encourages/normalizes the sexualization of children, etc. I come down pretty hard on the "don't criminalize things just because they are used in the commission of crimes" side of such matters, and I'm also very pro-free-speech in absolute terms, but there are some significant effects of the "use" of such materials and that is something that should be addressed. Edit: and if "regular" porn (i.e. ANY currently legal porn) is problematic in terms of victimization, at least it exclusively involves people who are adults capable of making informed decisions. teamdest has a new favorite as of 14:30 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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cheerfullydrab posted:You can always use this, too. China pt. 2, but no Alaska?
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Thermos H Christ posted:Yeah clearly it does happen and I understand revulsion at the dude/material, I just don't see how you justify criminalizing an act with no identifiable victim. I mean it seems like standard commercial hetero porn is way more problematic in terms of victimizing/exploiting people than a mere drawing could ever be. Lolicon and shotacon aren't just "mere drawings" existing in a vacuum. There's a connection between that and the real deal, both through attitudes toward children and in some cases the drawn smut actually being based on real child porn. The porn industry is definitely a big problem as you describe but the advancements of broadband internet and webcams have meant a surge of amateur porn saturating the market creating a more desirable, cheaper product that the big names can't hope to compete against. The invisible hand of the free market (jerking off the invisible cock) is, interestingly enough, solving the porn problem.
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Thermos H Christ posted:Yeah clearly it does happen and I understand revulsion at the dude/material, I just don't see how you justify criminalizing an act with no identifiable victim. I mean it seems like standard commercial hetero porn is way more problematic in terms of victimizing/exploiting people than a mere drawing could ever be. I remember a few years ago the supreme court ruled that it was perfectly legal to sell videos of dog fighting because it was free speech. So there are cases where it's legal to record an illegal act with clear victims and distribute it.  http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/04/20/dog.fight.videos/ Sephiroth_IRA has a new favorite as of 14:49 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Segmentation Fault posted:in some cases the drawn smut actually being based on real child porn. How can people tell unless 1.) the artist mentions it and thus confesses to having seen child porn or 2.) the viewer is familiar with child porn? Either way, both should result in the person being FBI'd.
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It's the latter. There are people in the FBI whose job is to look at child porn reports and try to identify the victims in case they're being repeatedly molested and the like. It's basically the worst job in the world. Incidentally, internet pedophiles don't understand why they aren't allowed to do the job instead of people who are psychologically destroyed by it. Some of them even offer to do it freelance, pro bono.
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This is all very sad and upsetting, can I withdraw my derail and have this thread go back to being funny and enjoyable?
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Kajeesus posted:It's the latter. There are people in the FBI whose job is to look at child porn reports and try to identify the victims in case they're being repeatedly molested and the like. It's basically the worst job in the world. Yeah, they have to do the job in like six month stints and have to have a full psychological debriefing and aftercare. It's crazy awful.
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Yeah, let's move on from reasons the world is sad and move onto reasons social media is sad (Spoiler:because it's used by people from the real world)
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Kajeesus posted:Incidentally, internet pedophiles don't understand why they aren't allowed to do the job instead of people who are psychologically destroyed by it. Some of them even offer to do it freelance, pro bono.
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Kajeesus posted:Incidentally, internet pedophiles don't understand why they aren't allowed to do the job instead of people who are psychologically destroyed by it. Some of them even offer to do it freelance, pro bono. Maybe it's like vampires, where you have to use them against their own kind?
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Grrl Anachronism posted:... this same almost 3-year-old had let herself out of the apartment and was playing in the street (and had been for who knows how long) ... Nearly this exact thing happened to me as a toddler. In my case, I got my shirt caught on the muffler of a car who proceeded to back out of it's parking space and attempt to drive away with me dangling beneath. The back of my left arm, from shoulder to elbow, is a mass of scar tissue. I almost died from infections in the hospital. Burns are bad.
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FrozenVent posted:I've never heard anyone describe African countries as "Eastern" before, is this a new thing? It's iffy. Generally, "The East" is generally defined as Asiatic cultures, but Muslim dominant territories in Africa (North and East Africa) have been considered part of it. Africa itself is considered "The South" given the fact that a majority of it's countries are developing nations. More recently, though, "The South" has been redefined as nations that are exploited by global powers, which Africa definitely falls under. I could spend all day writing a post answering this question, but I don't have the time and I'm sure it would be too long for everyone (including myself). If you want to know more about what the East is, I recommend Orientalism by Edward W. Saïd; it's basically required reading for anyone who wants to understand global geopolitics. Edit: Unfortunetly, I don't know of anything that's a good, comprehensive introduction to the concept of the Global South. MizPiz has a new favorite as of 16:42 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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I got a fresh one! It started as a Facebook discussion on this article: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/features/blogs/gone-viral/os-911-voicemail-20140616,0,3905735.post One individual dared suggest that this showed that a gun is sometimes ineffective in home defense. The OP, a guy I've previously gotten to call for armed insurrection against the US, a guy who used to get drunk and wear an electric anti-barking collar to entertain his party guests, and got kicked out of AFROTC because of grades, disagreed. Slapfights over police response times, use of guns in home defense, and effectiveness/ineffectiveness of other deterrents ensue, and more people join. I jump in at the end and start poking and get this wonderful response. 
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Just your garden-variety stupidity.  Twenty of those thirty-four comments are variations of "Whale sharks aren't fish! lol  " or "OMG! What if it had turned around and ate him! Stupid/scary!  "
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kinmik posted:Just your garden-variety stupidity. My favorite are the comments on police/incident reports. Every post is usually "  I heard the sirens!"
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kinmik posted:Just your garden-variety stupidity. Don't you need gloves to touch any shark? Because of the dermal denticles and whatnot? That's what the expert was saying, right?
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Recently one group that I follow had been successful in having the page of a group that advocates stalking, harassing, and interfering with the lives of a certain minority removed from Facebook for violating community guidelines. The hate group has put up a new page, and gone immediately back to their ways, leading to new reports of the new page. Of course, we're all getting automated responses that there's nothing wrong with this new page, despite it being the exact same group with the exact same kinds of posts. A tale of social media itself being idiotic, and one that surprises no one, sadly. (Seriously, Facebook, why is it so loving hard to get a page removed when it's obviously the exact same as the page you removed just hours before?)
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Kugyou no Tenshi posted:Recently one group that I follow had been successful in having the page of a group that advocates stalking, harassing, and interfering with the lives of a certain minority removed from Facebook for violating community guidelines. The hate group has put up a new page, and gone immediately back to their ways, leading to new reports of the new page. Of course, we're all getting automated responses that there's nothing wrong with this new page, despite it being the exact same group with the exact same kinds of posts. A tale of social media itself being idiotic, and one that surprises no one, sadly. I follow the same group. Considering they refuse to remove almost any hate speech about that minority to begin with, I'm not shocked they're pretty blase about the page as well. Also, why are we being cagey about the minority?
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Small Frozen Thing posted:Don't you need gloves to touch any shark? Because of the dermal denticles and whatnot? That's what the expert was saying, right? They're classified as Vulnerable by the IUCN, so there's probably legislation against it.
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So no then. Also I had to use the report feature this week as one of my friends thought it would be fun to post the video of the Iraqis being shot in the back of the head by isis, with the comment "Still think the war was a good idea, Blair?  " Of course Facebook automatically said that there was nothing wrong with a video quite graphically showing guys being shot in the back of the head, with blood and everything.Seriously, gently caress Facebook and their automatic bullshit!
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kelvron posted:I got a fresh one! It started as a Facebook discussion on this article: Ick. PUGGERNAUT has a new favorite as of 23:52 on Aug 22, 2014 |
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Everyone shut up and look: Funnyman is back.
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eating sugar
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Small Frozen Thing posted:Don't you need gloves to touch any shark? Because of the dermal denticles and whatnot? That's what the expert was saying, right? I've touched shark skin, it's not made of razorblades. Feels like sandpaper. But yeah, if a species is threatened, you really ought to not touch it because it stresses the animal and that could lead to illness, death, etc.
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PUGGERNAUT posted:eating sugar
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Picnic Princess posted:I've touched shark skin, it's not made of razorblades. Feels like sandpaper. But yeah, if a species is threatened, you really ought to not touch it because it stresses the animal and that could lead to illness, death, etc. I think you can pretty easily damage a whaleshark's skin, which can get infected, so you aren't supposed to touch them. You *can* touch them without hurting them, but are you gonna trust some random tourist to not hurt them accidentally?
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Picnic Princess posted:I've touched shark skin, it's not made of razorblades. Feels like sandpaper. But yeah, if a species is threatened, you really ought to not touch it because it stresses the animal and that could lead to illness, death, etc. I was more saying that the gloves are for both your and the shark's protection, because whale sharks have specially-shaped denticles for hydrodynamics that can easily tear their skin if they get caught on something, like say, your skin.
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PUGGERNAUT posted:eating sugar
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Apogee15 posted:I think you can pretty easily damage a whaleshark's skin, which can get infected, so you aren't supposed to touch them. You *can* touch them without hurting them, but are you gonna trust some random tourist to not hurt them accidentally? I see, and no, I certainly don't trust tourists to do anything right. I work with them and study tourism in school, they're one of the most destructive forces on the planet.
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Picnic Princess posted:I see, and no, I certainly don't trust tourists to do anything right. I work with them and study tourism in school, they're one of the most destructive forces on the planet. They really are.  So many coral reefs are having bits broken off by people kicking and bumping into them or just swimming too closely.
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PUGGERNAUT posted:eating sugar But really, I did laugh at that. Good job Funnyman with jokes and laughing
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 This is about the word "shitoris". As in, what gay men on Grindr often call their anuses when they're wanting a rimjob.
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TinTower posted:
Disgusting don't they know the proper term is "boi pussy"? 
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