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Serious Frolicking posted:Urahara is the one character in this manga who could legitimately claim that he was behind everything all along, but Kubo blew his wad on Aizen's bullshit. Who ever said that Urahara wasn't behind Aizen?
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KittyEmpress posted:Who ever said that Urahara wasn't behind Aizen? Aizen did. As Naruto has so amply proven, you can't keep revealing that someone else was behind the previous puppetmaster. Aizen was full of poo poo, but the manga never actually said as much so it is possible that even now we are supposed to believe he was ever more than a smug brute.
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Jun 19, 2014 23:53
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I'd be pretty okay with urahara smugly claiming he was behind all of it. He'd probably at least admit they he didn't really think the whole hougoukyu thing through.
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Jun 20, 2014 00:53
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Am I the only one that ever got vibes that Aizen and Urahara used to be cooperating with each other in some fashion before having a falling out? Did Urahara have a non-evil way of making his own Hogyoku that we just never heard about?
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Jun 20, 2014 01:11
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Urahara is the author.
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Jun 20, 2014 01:30
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Remember, Urahara told Ichigo where to go and what to do for every arc except the fullbringer arc. Was he manipulating Ichigo, or was he just serving as a plot device because Kubo isn't a very good writer? It is the latter, but Kubo could always claim the former without retconning anything.
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Jun 20, 2014 01:41
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It seems inevitable Urahara becomes a good guy on the wrong side once the Soul King is revealed to be a jerk. And then it can be revealed he planned everything to protect the Soul King or some poo poo.
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Jun 20, 2014 02:00
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The smartest way to enjoy Bleach at this point would be to stop reading it for two years. then spend an hour one evening finishing it off. I am not a smart man.
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Jun 20, 2014 02:43
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I stopped at page 12 and took a moment to think. What if he just blew Ichigo's brains out, no bullshit? I never thought for once it would happen but god that would've been great. Then I actually thought Kubo was going to try and pull off the 1v8 thing but the ending reveal of the chapter makes it not so bad.DrSunshine posted:It would be nice if Mayuri were there, because we could have Mayuri vs. Death Girl. How do you know he's not already there? 
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Jun 20, 2014 04:04
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Who the hell comes up with these smiley icons Is there just a den of monkeys with a desktop in the back or
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Jun 20, 2014 05:12
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I think I asked someone to do it and Vicissitude made it? May be misremembering.
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Jun 20, 2014 05:17
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Parrotine posted:Who the hell comes up with these smiley icons I have a sweatshop make them.
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Jun 20, 2014 05:30
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A sweatshop den of monkeys only the finest here at SA
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Jun 20, 2014 05:47
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FuturePastNow posted:Also Uharaha "My bankai is simply not the kind of bankai that can be used for training others or lending them power" (ch 224 I think). I'll betcha his bankai gives everyone else in a 10 km radius whatever disease it is that he's got. Actually, it turns out he's just super strong and suppressing the symptoms with his reiatsu, and that actually he's infected with Ghost-TB, -H5N1, and -Ebola all at once, so that everyone who gets it pretty much collapses into a mass of disease.
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Jun 20, 2014 06:41
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You seem to be thinking of Ukitake, aka Captain Tuberculosis, not Urahara, aka Scruffy Hats McGee.
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Jun 20, 2014 07:01
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:You seem to be thinking of Ukitake, aka Captain Tuberculosis, not Urahara, aka Scruffy Hats McGee. Oh yes, that's right! Ahh, we haven't seen his bankai either, though, heh!
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Jun 20, 2014 07:02
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Throughout the entire extended Aizen arc, the only captains to reveal their bankais for the first time were Shinji, Soi Fon, Gin and (haha) Kensei. So, exactly how many captains were present and got jobbed without ever using their bankai? Big Papa Yama gets a pass because that was the only time one of Aizen's elaborate plans actually succeeded and Unohana doesn't really count because her greatest strength wasn't her bankai, but the rest of them just didn't bother for no particular reason. For that matter, there was no real reason why at least some of the vice-captain vaizards didn't manage to reach bankai after 100 years with nothing to do but train and read porn. Really, the problem is that bankais have to be some ridiculously big deal but Kubo has way too many characters who can use them. Even Naruto for all of its narrative woes had the decency to stick 90% of the bloated cast in a big tree. But hey, at least we can look forward to Hiyori showing up again! Maybe this time she will get bisected vertically.
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Serious Frolicking posted:Throughout the entire extended Aizen arc, the only captains to reveal their bankais for the first time were Shinji, Soi Fon, Gin and (haha) Kensei. Shinji still hasn't used his bankai since he just gets beat up instantly every time he appears.
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Jun 20, 2014 09:21
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slev posted:Shinji still hasn't used his bankai since he just gets beat up instantly every time he appears. Shinji's bankai was just a stronger version of his shikai. It didn't do much and wasn't particularly memorable, is all.
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Serious Frolicking posted:Shinji's bankai was just a stronger version of his shikai. It didn't do much and wasn't particularly memorable, is all. You are remembering it wrong. Shinji used his shikai, Aizen laughed at it, and then Shinji did nothing else with it other than help all the captains stab Hinamori.
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Jun 20, 2014 10:27
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Forget about showing off bankais, I want to see how many more times Momo can get stabbed before it all ends.
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Thoren posted:The smartest way to enjoy Bleach at this point would be to stop reading it for two years. then spend an hour one evening finishing it off. I'm not on the 10 year plan as most of you are with this story, and I think it has helped me enjoy the story more. Originally I thought most of you were so hateful towards Bleach because it was what the cool kids were doing. Then I realized the venom is from years of torturously slow story progression. I started reading bleach maybe 4 or 5 years ago, after I saw the anime on Adult Swim. I saw the Kenpachi vs Ichigo and picked up the manga from there, and read up to the current at the time that was Ichigo in the worm tunnel with his dad. And in the slow times of the fullbring arc I read it start to current probably once, and then select portions to try to see if I missed something. I'm learning that I'd rather read completed series to get away from every chapter ending in a supposed "cliffhanger."
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Serious Frolicking posted:Throughout the entire extended Aizen arc, the only captains to reveal their bankais for the first time were Shinji, Soi Fon, Gin and (haha) Kensei. I think I remember an interview during the hiatus after Aizen, where Kubo was asked why Shunsui didn't use his bankai against Aizen. His response was something like, Ichigo had to be the one to take down Aizen, meaning Shunsui's bankai would be strong enough to beat Aizen. That pretty much sums up what you need to know about Kubo.
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Batmasterson posted:I think I remember an interview during the hiatus after Aizen, where Kubo was asked why Shunsui didn't use his bankai against Aizen. His response was something like, Ichigo had to be the one to take down Aizen, meaning Shunsui's bankai would be strong enough to beat Aizen. That pretty much sums up what you need to know about Kubo. What, you mean the fact that Ichigo didn't take down Aizen and instead wasted his one-time-only powerup on cutting mountains, talking about how strong he was, and listening to Aizen spout theories about what his powerup was? Also, here you go, Shinji's bankai: http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Bleach/Bleach-387?id=8276 gimme the GOD DAMN candy fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Jun 20, 2014 |
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DrSunshine posted:I'll betcha his bankai gives everyone else in a 10 km radius whatever disease it is that he's got. Being an afterlife Typhoid Mary or a walking biohazard would be awesome 
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Jun 20, 2014 16:58
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Ukitake had a fish theme going, his bankai is probably a giant trout he can club people with.
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Yea I really think his is something water based. Shunsui's I think has something to do with making a deal with the devil, or a monkey paw type thing. "You can make any wish or rule, but with consequences" scenario. Probably something very flashy or slightly grotesque.
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We still don't know what Unohana's does.
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Jun 20, 2014 20:23
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Serious Frolicking posted:Also, here you go, Shinji's bankai: http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Bleach/Bleach-387?id=8276 That's a bad error that confused people back when the chapter first came out. That's his shikai. He even does the traditional shikai release stuff two chapters before that and never once says bankai.
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hagie posted:Still have yet to see Yaruichi's sword We've seen it sheathed a couple of times, so it exists, but yeah. That's definitely something I'd like to see.
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Should Yoruichi ever appear again, then I'm at least hoping for a pat on the head for Soifon.
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Batmasterson posted:I think I remember an interview during the hiatus after Aizen, where Kubo was asked why Shunsui didn't use his bankai against Aizen.Kubo. Shunsui saw Aizens bankai, so basically he still had no chance.
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I've come to the decision that Bankai's are basically completed Stands that originate from their swords. This makes the more straightforward and weaker ones seem not quite as difficult to swallow as some of the really broken ones. Hermit Purple in particular or the Gun Stand.
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That's... good to know?
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Jun 21, 2014 03:39
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Can someone remind me why Aizen and Juhaywach care about reaching the Soul King?
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Raenir Salazar posted:I've come to the decision that Bankai's are basically completed Stands that originate from their swords. This makes the more straightforward and weaker ones seem not quite as difficult to swallow as some of the really broken ones. The lovely bankai are not used creatively to make up for their lack of power. They either stay weak and get smacked down or get a powerup. Araki has his flaws, but comparing his work to Bleach is just needlessly cruel for both parties.
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Thoren posted:Can someone remind me why Aizen and Juhaywach care about reaching the Soul King? destroy the world or recreate it in their image. I mean who doesn't covet supreme power?
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Thoren posted:Can someone remind me why Aizen and Juhaywach care about reaching the Soul King? The only things I think have been revealed about the Soul King are that he's somehow vital to the existence of Soul Society, that he was asleep and is now awake (along with a glimpse of his face), and that Urahara and Aizen both know something more. Aizen thought the Soul King was some sort of monster or something and (I think) wanted to replace him, while Urahara saw the Soul King as something like a necessary evil maybe? I got the impression that Urahara knew more than Aizen did.
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Serious Frolicking posted:The lovely bankai are not used creatively to make up for their lack of power. They either stay weak and get smacked down or get a powerup. That's just non-nonsensical, if JoJo is one of the early works that helped to define the genre that Bleach is of then its perfectly fair to compare them, nor weirdly should it be cruel for either party that's you projecting. I'm not doubting that Araki does a better job in finding a creative use for the weaker Stands, but there are weaker Stands and its easy to imagine a hypothetical situation where they would get jobbed like Renji; I'm just saying its the comparison I use to mentally justify Kubo not finding creative uses of his Bankai's. e: Not that its a good mental justification mind you, it just works for me.
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