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Kevin Sullivan said the Dungeon of Doom was part of his plan to make Hogan comfortable with his booking (a WWF-style cartoon character stable because Hogan was badly out of place with people who can actually work) because he knew an eventual heel turn was the only way to freshen his character up from being a bad nostalgia act and Hogan would have told him to go to hell if he tried at the start. When did they start formulating a Hogan heel turn, even if not "oh my god, he's the third man!!!!"?
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Luigi Thirty posted:Kevin Sullivan said the Dungeon of Doom was part of his plan to make Hogan comfortable with his booking (a WWF-style cartoon character stable because Hogan was badly out of place with people who can actually work) because he knew an eventual heel turn was the only way to freshen his character up from being a bad nostalgia act and Hogan would have told him to go to hell if he tried at the start. When did they start formulating a Hogan heel turn, even if not "oh my god, he's the third man!!!!"? Sullivan was only the booker because he would book what made Hogan happy, so he's right to an extent, but trying to give himself too much credit. Hogan being the third man was discussed for a few weeks before Bash 96 and agreed to 11 days prior. Before that there was Darkside Hogan in the fall of 95, but I think that was more trying to breathe new life into the character rather than setting up an actual turn.
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Jun 20, 2014 22:47
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Jim Neidhart on his post-Montreal screw-job WCW run. "I've never made so much money doing absolutely f**king nothing". http://rajah.com/node/41715
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I like that he consistently refers to pot as 'the devil weed.'
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Jun 22, 2014 01:46
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ChampRamp posted:I wonder how many of the thumbs down for Road Wild were because of the main's finish. I wonder who the gently caress gave Canadian Stampede a thumbs down, and how fast he was run the gently caress out of town.
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Jun 22, 2014 01:52
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birdlaw posted:I wonder who the gently caress gave Canadian Stampede a thumbs down, and how fast he was run the gently caress out of town. Probably the guy who brings signs with a guy peeing on the WWF logo to Nitro. "yeah I totally bought Canadian Stampede and it SUCKED" *click*
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Jun 22, 2014 02:05
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MassRafTer posted:Sullivan was only the booker because he would book what made Hogan happy, so he's right to an extent, but trying to give himself too much credit. Hogan being the third man was discussed for a few weeks before Bash 96 and agreed to 11 days prior. Before that there was Darkside Hogan in the fall of 95, but I think that was more trying to breathe new life into the character rather than setting up an actual turn. Darkside Hogan is probably when Sullivan and the boys backstage realized that heel Hogan could work, as I think there's a lot of elements in what eventually became Hollywood Hulkster, but I agree it's giving him too much credit to suggest the idea was always to turn him, rather than a happy near-accident.
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It's funny they tried so hard to have Hogan be a babyface but WCW fans hated him so much. always booing and throwing garbage, they basically had to make him a heel. Ten years later they do the NwO thing in WWE, they try super hard to make him a heel, but WWE fans love him so much they just cheer no matter what and he's a face.
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Jun 22, 2014 11:51
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greatn posted:It's funny they tried so hard to have Hogan be a babyface but WCW fans hated him so much. always booing and throwing garbage, they basically had to make him a heel. Ten years later they do the NwO thing in WWE, they try super hard to make him a heel, but WWE fans love him so much they just cheer no matter what and he's a face. Hogan did business in WCW as a face for over a year, the fans got sick of him as a face in WWE in three weeks.
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Getting off topic, but is there any truth to the rumor that Wrestlemania X8 was supposed to be Hogan vs Austin, but Austin vetoed it because he thought Hogan would get himself over as a babyface & kill his heat?
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Do you think Hogan would have been accepted in WCW by the fans if he changed his in-ring style like he does when he would wrestle in Japan? I'm not saying Hogan was a secret technical master but he seemed way more talented than his WWF and WCW runs would lead you to believe.
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Jun 22, 2014 18:30
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bartok posted:Do you think Hogan would have been accepted in WCW by the fans if he changed his in-ring style like he does when he would wrestle in Japan? I'm not saying Hogan was a secret technical master but he seemed way more talented than his WWF and WCW runs would lead you to believe. I don't think so, because he was still going over all of the big name WCW talent as soon as he got there. I think that's what people hated the most. His technical skills wouldn't have mattered, I don't think, because he was still the same bland character ruining everybody who was already established as a top star.
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I think way they were booking wasn't "here's WCW, where the big boys play" so much as "here's WCW, where this week's WWF castoffs go over our top stars forever and make our guys look like poo poo". No poo poo you can't build anyone up other than Goldberg (basic monster heel booking) and DDP (just that cool).
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Jun 22, 2014 18:49
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Phenix Rising posted:I don't think so, because he was still going over all of the big name WCW talent as soon as he got there. I think that's what people hated the most. His technical skills wouldn't have mattered, I don't think, because he was still the same bland character ruining everybody who was already established as a top star. On top of that, Hogan's insistence on hiring his schmucky, untalented over the hill buddies didn't help either.
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Jun 22, 2014 19:10
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bartok posted:Do you think Hogan would have been accepted in WCW by the fans if he changed his in-ring style like he does when he would wrestle in Japan? I'm not saying Hogan was a secret technical master but he seemed way more talented than his WWF and WCW runs would lead you to believe. Hogan hitting Savage with an enzuigiri to start his heel turn at Bash at the Beach would be a hell of a moment, but I think he'd get lazy in time and would just fall back into his WWF style.
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I can't think of a good thread to post this, but I'm watching the Monday Night Wars (and ECW). I'm only one month in but it's really jarring the way WCW and ECW acknowledge other wrestling feds (WWF, New Japan, each other) while WWF just acts like it's own little universe. Also Raven rules. So does ECW referee Bill Alfonzo.
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Jun 22, 2014 19:37
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Burt Buckle posted:I'm only one month in but it's really jarring the way WCW and ECW acknowledge other wrestling feds (WWF, New Japan, each other) while WWF just acts like it's own little universe. Unrelated but Dusty on commentary during the Liver match, "I gotta remember that for later. 'What was that honey?' 'That was the dragon screw leg whip'" is one of the funniest things I've heard a commentator say.
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Jun 22, 2014 20:41
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St Evan Echoes posted:This was one of my very favourite things about WCW, IT made it seem more like a sport when they would recognise other promotions. I'm not sure why. When was the last time you heard NFL announcers mention the CFL?
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Jun 22, 2014 20:46
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fatherdog posted:I'm not sure why. When was the last time you heard NFL announcers mention the CFL? When CFL guys actually accomplish something, they do it. Announcers used to bring up Jeff Garcia's background with the Stampeders sometimes, and Kurt Warner's time in the Arean league was a big part of his narartive.
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Jun 22, 2014 20:51
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fatherdog posted:I'm not sure why. When was the last time you heard NFL announcers mention the CFL? Who can forget the CFL Invasion angle they did. Remember that pop when the Toronto Argonauts ran into the stadium at Super Bowl XXXVI?
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fatherdog posted:I'm not sure why. When was the last time you heard NFL announcers mention the CFL?
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St Evan Echoes posted:In sports with an actual global appeal such as soccer they mention the other leagues all of the time. In actual sports with global appeal like baseball they only mention Japan and pray at the altar of anyone connected to football, just like WCW. Announcers will occasionally spoil results of the Cape Cod League too.
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Jun 22, 2014 21:07
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Tommy "HE CAME FROM THE XFL" Maddox.
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MassRafTer posted:In actual sports with global appeal like baseball they only mention Japan and pray at the altar of anyone connected to football, just like WCW. Announcers will occasionally spoil results of the Cape Cod League too. Mainly because anyone not from Japan or Korea who can breathe and throw a ball 90 mph is going to be locked up by a team and developed in the minors.
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We can all agree though that the only reason that America has so many sports that nobody else plays professionally is that they act like massive children every time they lose?
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when do we ever lose?
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i think mentioning other promotions is very cool and good. somebody should pitch it to vince like "hey marvel sure is popular! you ever notice how much people like that they've set up a whole gigantic universe outside the immediate narrative and then freak out when worlds collide? somebody should do that with wrestling"
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epitasis posted:when do we ever lose? When do you ever win?
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Gonzo McFee posted:When do you ever win? Name one Olympic event America has ever lost, fuckface.
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epitasis posted:i think mentioning other promotions is very cool and good. somebody should pitch it to vince like "hey marvel sure is popular! you ever notice how much people like that they've set up a whole gigantic universe outside the immediate narrative and then freak out when worlds collide? somebody should do that with wrestling" Let me introduce you to the WWE universe.
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Burt Buckle posted:Name one Olympic event America has ever lost, fuckface. Most of them. Edit: Hell, in 1980 you didn't even turn up! What was all that about? You turned up to the Nazi ones. Gonzo McFee fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Jun 22, 2014 |
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The USA has by far the most medals in Olympic History and an American holds the most medals for one individual. These are facts, sorry.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Most of them. Jesse Owens single handedly won WW2 at those games fucker.
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oldpainless posted:The USA has by far the most medals in Olympic History and an American holds the most medals for one individual. This includes Olympic Gold Medalist Kurt Angle. America is also home to all-time WCW great, Hulk Hogan.
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"You know who I am, and you know where I'm from. But what you don't know... is why I'm here." -Jessie Owens
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oldpainless posted:The USA has by far the most medals in Olympic History and an American holds the most medals for one individual. That's what you get when you have a bunch of events that favour the money rich nations like Pony dancing and sailing, all put in because America would throw a hissy fit if it lost because it is the bitchiest nation. And the Iron Shiek is the best Olympic Gold Medalist in WWE. IRAN NUMBA 1!
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St Evan Echoes posted:This was one of my very favourite things about WCW, IT made it seem more like a sport when they would recognise other promotions. I was watching Starrcade 96 the other week and the matches with Ultimo Dragon and Jushin Liger were both great for this. They had their histories in Japan and Mexico and such discussed, it was great.
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Halloween Jack posted:Ultimo Dragon? He died in 1913! Get a load of this guy. Maybe Ultimo Dragon's ghost!
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Gonzo McFee posted:That's what you get when you have a bunch of events that favour the money rich nations like Pony dancing and sailing, all put in because America would throw a hissy fit if it lost because it is the bitchiest nation. Sheik hasn't won an Olympic Gold. That "fact" is kayfabe. The year they claim he won a medal, he was cut from competition in the finals of the team tryouts. Not only that, the Iranian team won two medals in '68, both of them silver. He was however, an rear end't coach for Team USA at the '72 Munich Olympics. The only Olympic gold medalist in WWE history really is Kurt Angle.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Sheik hasn't won an Olympic Gold. That "fact" is kayfabe. The year they claim he won a medal, he was cut from competition in the finals of the team tryouts. Not only that, the Iranian team won two medals in '68, both of them silver. Bollocks, more USA whinging. IRON SHIEK NUMBER ONE! Gonna stop this derail now because I've had my fun.
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