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Daniel Bryan posted:Who is the most overpushed wrestler? Alberto Del Rio
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Daniel Bryan posted:Who is the most overpushed wrestler? Khali, next question
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Jun 27, 2014 20:25
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Luigi Thirty posted:Khali, next question Biggest gap between in - ring abilities and popularity?
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Jun 27, 2014 20:43
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sean10mm posted:Biggest gap between in - ring abilities and popularity? Tyson Kidd
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Jun 27, 2014 20:47
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Pinstripe Hourglass posted:Brodus Clay? Never cared much about the guy but that Miz TV interview he did after his heel turn was actually really good and got lots of heat. I want one final Miz TV where Ambrose shows up, beats the poo poo out of Miz and lights his set on fire. Then Ambrose Alley debuts the next week, complete with the charred remains of Miz's couch. Daniel Bryan posted:Who is the most overpushed wrestler? 2011 Miz
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Jun 27, 2014 20:51
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sean10mm posted:Biggest gap between in - ring abilities and popularity? Hulk Hogan  except in Japan
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Jun 27, 2014 20:53
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sean10mm posted:Biggest gap between in - ring abilities and popularity? Goldust and Stardust 
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Jun 27, 2014 21:07
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Luigi Thirty posted:Hulk Hogan If we're going that way, wouldn't Warrior be a better answer?
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Jun 27, 2014 21:07
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Cool page. Kevin Nash.
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Jun 27, 2014 21:07
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Dias posted:If we're going that way, wouldn't Warrior be a better answer? Hogan was so much more popular than Warrior.
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Jun 27, 2014 21:09
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MassRafTer posted:Hogan was so much more popular than Warrior. Now you're getting into an argument like which movie was a bigger bomb, Pluto Nash (2m gross on 100m budget) or 13th Warrior (60m gross on 160m budget). Warrior was godawful even compared to Hogan but he was also less popular than Hogan and for a shorter run.
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Jun 27, 2014 21:21
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Luigi Thirty posted:Now you're getting into an argument like which movie was a bigger bomb, Pluto Nash (2m gross on 100m budget) or 13th Warrior (60m gross on 160m budget). Warrior was godawful even compared to Hogan but he was also less popular than Hogan and for a shorter run. Hogan was much more popular than Warrior.
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Jun 27, 2014 21:46
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Did Kane ever beat the Undertaker clean? And by clean I mean didn't cheat.
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Jun 27, 2014 22:35
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Spikeguy posted:Did Kane ever beat the Undertaker clean? And by clean I mean didn't cheat. In a straight up singles match, I don't think it ever happened. They had a lot of gimmick matches in their 2010 program, in which Kane may have beat him within the rules of those matches.
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Jun 27, 2014 22:44
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Daniel Bryan posted:Who is the most overpushed wrestler? Nobody in the history of wrestling has ever been pushed longer or harder than John Cena, and he has rarely got the reaction from the crowd that they intended so he's hands down the answer for me.
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Jun 27, 2014 23:54
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Spikeguy posted:Did Kane ever beat the Undertaker clean? And by clean I mean didn't cheat. Night of champions 2010 was totally clean.
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Jun 28, 2014 00:26
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Saul Goode posted:Nobody in the history of wrestling has ever been pushed longer or harder than John Cena, and he has rarely got the reaction from the crowd that they intended so he's hands down the answer for me. There are also very few wrestlers who have made a company more money than John Cena so that's a dumb answer.
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Jun 28, 2014 00:30
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and also John Cena is one of the best wrestlers in the world
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Jun 28, 2014 00:31
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Also not getting the right reaction really doesn't matter, since they've been actively banking on this for years most of the time while also using this in storylines, even if they don't always do it perfect.
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Jun 28, 2014 00:34
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People always go "Cena sucks" but rarely, rarely cheer for his opponent by name.
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Jun 28, 2014 00:35
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Here's the part where he explains his own personal definition of "overbooked" that somehow applies perfectly to this situation.
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Jun 28, 2014 00:40
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RacistGuidingLight posted:People always go "Cena sucks" but rarely, rarely cheer for his opponent by name. They know that Cena's opponent stands no change.
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Jun 28, 2014 00:42
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Big Coffin Hunter posted:Also not getting the right reaction really doesn't matter, since they've been actively banking on this for years most of the time while also using this in storylines, even if they don't always do it perfect. I liked when all they did was keep calling Cena "controversial" and hoped it'd catch on
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Jun 28, 2014 00:42
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Positive chants have no effect. WWE stopped screwing Bryan once fans became relentlessly negative.
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Jun 28, 2014 00:59
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The only bad heat is no heat. Unless you're Heel Michael Cole, then you can listen to the sound of a million TVs changing the channel. oldpainless posted:Night of champions 2010 was totally clean.
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Jun 28, 2014 01:16
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Fag Boy Jim posted:I liked when all they did was keep calling Cena "controversial" and hoped it'd catch on RUCK FULES
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Jun 28, 2014 03:01
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sticklefifer posted:The only bad heat is no heat. Noc was a clean Kane win which led to taker doubting himself and the return of Paul bearer screwed taker over at bragging rights and then the buried alive match which nexus interfered in. So, yes.
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Jun 28, 2014 04:08
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Is there a difference between a spear and a gore or is it just that a large, stocky guy does the latter?
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Jun 28, 2014 04:08
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Desumaytah posted:Is there a difference between a spear and a gore or is it just that a large, stocky guy does the latter? It's that his name is Rhino, and a rhino attacking with it's horn is called goring.
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Jun 28, 2014 04:16
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What high school did Dean Ambrose go to? I ask this because I'm from Cincinnati and he's as old as I am, and I have it narrowed down to three schools he could have gone to based upon his biographical information. Unfortunately, finding his exact high school has not been as easy as one would think. We didn't go to high school together or anything, but it would be cool to know ipso facto.
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Jun 28, 2014 04:35
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Maybe look through a yearbook? I don't know why you'd spend that much time on it but whatever.
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Jun 28, 2014 04:41
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No big deal just trying to stalk Dean Ambrose
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Jun 28, 2014 04:48
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Desumaytah posted:Is there a difference between a spear and a gore or is it just that a large, stocky guy does the latter? It's just for Rhino. When Lashley or Kaitlyn do it it's still called a spear.
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Jun 28, 2014 06:42
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MassRafTer posted:There are also very few wrestlers who have made a company more money than John Cena so that's a dumb answer. Millions of fans have switched off because of Cena's push but there's no way to put a comparable value on that is there so what's the point in bringing up money?
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Jun 28, 2014 07:46
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Saul Goode posted:Millions of fans have switched off because of Cena's push but there's no way to put a comparable value on that is there so what's the point in bringing up money? Millions of fans turn out in pretty much every era and are replaced by new fans, that's how wrestling works. While there is a core fanbase, overall there is a lot of fanbase, people cycling in and out. Behind John Cena WWE has started generating absolutely insane revenues. He accounts for $100,000,000 per year. That's the point of bringing up money, because the purpose of a company is to make money. We can pretend it isn't, but, it is. John Cena makes a lot of money for WWE, has a lot of great matches and comforts dying children, he isn't the most overpushed wrestler.
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Jun 28, 2014 07:51
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Saul Goode posted:Millions of fans have switched off because of Cena's push but there's no way to put a comparable value on that is there so what's the point in bringing up money? Where's your evidence on this
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Jun 28, 2014 08:04
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MassRafTer posted:Millions of fans turn out in pretty much every era and are replaced by new fans, that's how wrestling works. While there is a core fanbase, overall there is a lot of fanbase, people cycling in and out. Behind John Cena WWE has started generating absolutely insane revenues. He accounts for $100,000,000 per year. That's the point of bringing up money, because the purpose of a company is to make money. We can pretend it isn't, but, it is. John Cena makes a lot of money for WWE, has a lot of great matches and comforts dying children, he isn't the most overpushed wrestler. He is by far and away the most overpushed wrestler. If I had a company that was the only company offering a kind of product and I chose one particular thing to promote and market and sell above everything else for ten years, and in that ten year period my customer base was arguably a third or a fourth of what it could have been based on previous sales histories then I'd quite rightly assume that the fraction of customers who stuck around only did so because there is literally nowhere else to go to get that kind of product and they're not totally disgusted with the thing that represents that product, but that's just me. The missing fans are more representative of Cena's overpush than the ones who've stayed in my opinion, but I can't quantify that amount so my argument is going to look ridiculous in comparison to yours, and I freely admit that.
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Saul Goode posted:He is by far and away the most overpushed wrestler. If I had a company that was the only company offering a kind of product and I chose one particular thing to promote and market and sell above everything else for ten years, and in that ten year period my customer base was arguably a third or a fourth of what it could have been based on previous sales histories then I'd quite rightly assume that the fraction of customers who stuck around only did so because there is literally nowhere else to go to get that kind of product and they're not totally disgusted with the thing that represents that product, but that's just me. The missing fans are more representative of Cena's overpush than the ones who've stayed in my opinion, but I can't quantify that amount so my argument is going to look ridiculous in comparison to yours, and I freely admit that. There's a reason you can't quantify it, because under this direction the company has generated more revenue than it ever has and when you do that there is very little chance your top star is anything but a huge positive for business. Edit: Are you seriously saying that Raw should have 12-15 million viewers a week? Because that is what it would mean for the customer base to be a third or fourth of what it could have been. During the Attitude era Raw was watched by 5-6 million people per week at its peak, and viewership was at 5 million for a decent amount of time into the Cena era. How in the hell would the fan base right now be 1/4-1/3 of what it should be? That's INSANE. MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Jun 28, 2014 |
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MassRafTer posted:There's a reason you can't quantify it, because under this direction the company has generated more revenue than it ever has and when you do that there is very little chance your top star is anything but a huge positive for business. If you're losing almost half your customer base while generating more revenue it's probably because of the way you're doing business, not the talent you have fronting the matches.
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natetimm posted:If you're losing almost half your customer base while generating more revenue, it's probably because of the way you're doing business, not the talent you have fronting the matches. WWE hasn't lost half its customer base. Raw averages around 4 million viewers per week now, compared to 5-6 million at the absolute peak of the company's popularity, which was half a decade before Cena came in.
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