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Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

anonumos posted:

:spergin: "Your honor, we have an army of volunteer escorts because our patients will be insulted, spit on, pushed, punched, doused with water (and even worse substances) and shamed just for seeking low cost healthcare that may not even include abortions. Can we please mandate a clear area around the clinic doors, because these protesters are loving animals."

:cop: "No. Eat poo poo and die."

As DeusExMachinima points out, the practice your :spergin: advocates seems overinclusive because it requires treating all protesters in the area as acting criminally in the ways you've just described. Again, there are reasons why the Supreme Court ruled unanimously on this case. I'd encourage folks who are upset by the decision to check out the recent pages of the SCOTUS thread, where they've explained it in greater detail.

vvvvv Suckit, Deus. :smug: Gotta get quicker fingers, my friend.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Jun 29, 2014

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DeusExMachinima
Sep 2, 2012

:siren:This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!:siren:

Put this loser on ignore immediately!
^^^VOOOOOXXXXXX :tfrxmas:

anonumos posted:

:spergin: "Your honor, we have an army of volunteer escorts because our patients will be insulted, spit on, pushed, punched, doused with water (and even worse substances) and shamed just for seeking low cost healthcare that may not even include abortions. Can we please mandate a clear area around the clinic doors, because these protesters are loving animals."

:cop: "No. Eat poo poo and die."

I'll take "prior restraint" for 100, Alex.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
The president needs security, it's now illegal to protest in any city he enters. :smugdog:

(this basically happens anyway)

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

Stanos posted:

All you need to know is that even Richard Nixon didn't like the guy.

But to be fair to Nixon, Kissinger was a Jew and Nixon loving hated the kikes. He also hated hot pants if you want to know just how much hate Nixon had.

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun

A Winner is Jew posted:

But to be fair to Nixon, Kissinger was a Jew and Nixon loving hated the kikes. He also hated hot pants if you want to know just how much hate Nixon had.
I wonder if Nixon actually liked anything.

I bet that list is way shorter than his enemy list anyway.

Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005

A Winner is Jew posted:

But to be fair to Nixon, Kissinger was a Jew and Nixon loving hated the kikes. He also hated hot pants if you want to know just how much hate Nixon had.

Let me just quote that whole conversation with Ehrlichman and Haldeman, because it's epic:

quote:

RICHARD NIXON: We're going to [put] more of these little Negro bastards on the welfare rolls at $2,400 a family--let people like Pat Moynihan and [special consultant] Leonard Garment and others believe in all that crap. But I don't believe in it. Work, work--throw 'em off the rolls. That's the key.

JOHN D. EHRLICHMAN: The key is Reagan's neutrality. If Reagan blasts this thing and says it's not strong enough on the work-requirement end, that will be very bad.

NIXON: I have the greatest affection for them [blacks], but I know they're not going to make it for 500 years. They aren't. You know it, too. The Mexicans are a different cup of tea. They have a heritage. At the present time they steal, they're dishonest, but they do have some concept of family life. They don't live like a bunch of dogs, which the Negroes do live like.

EHRLICHMAN: The Mexican American is not as good as the Mexican. You go down to Mexico--they're clean, they're honest, they're moral.

NIXON: Mexico is a much more moral country.

EHRLICHMAN: Monterrey, Cuernavaca. Go into slum areas, and by God they come out with clean shirts on a Sunday morning.

NIXON: The church. You find a helluva lot less marijuana use in Mexico than the United States.

EHRLICHMAN: The unions are actually a stronger force down there than the church.

NIXON: For what?

EHRLICHMAN: For conduct and social policy.

NIXON: ... CBS ... glorifying homosexuality.

EHRLICHMAN: A panel show?

H. R. HALDEMAN: No, it's a regular show. It's on every week. It's usually just done in the guy's home. It's usually just that guy, who's a hard hat.

NIXON: That's right; he's a hard hat.

EHRLICHMAN: He always looks like a slob.

NIXON: Looks like Jackie Gleason.

HALDEMAN: He has this hippie son-in-law, and usually the general trend is to downgrade him and upgrade the son-in-law--make the square hard hat out to be bad. But a few weeks ago, they had one in which the guy, the son-in-law, wrote a letter to you, President Nixon, to raise hell about something. And the guy said, "You will not write that letter from my home!" Then said, "I'm going to write President Nixon," took off all those sloppy clothes, shaved, and went to his desk and got ready to write his letter to President Nixon. And apparently it was a good episode.

EHRLICHMAN: What's it called?

NIXON: "Archie's Guys." Archie is sitting here with his hippie son-in-law, married to the screwball daughter. The son-in-law apparently goes both ways. This guy. He's obviously queer--wears an ascot--but not offensively so. Very clever. Uses nice language. Shows pictures of his parents. And so Arch goes down to the bar. Sees his best friend, who used to play professional football. Virile, strong, this and that. Then the fairy comes into the bar.

I don't mind the homosexuality. I understand it. Nevertheless, goddamn, I don't think you glorify it on public television, homosexuality, even more than you glorify whores. We all know we have weaknesses. But, goddammit, what do you think that does to kids? You know what happened to the Greeks! Homosexuality destroyed them. Sure, Aristotle was a homo. We all know that. So was Socrates.

EHRLICHMAN: But he never had the influence television had.

NIXON: You know what happened to the Romans? The last six Roman emperors were fags. Neither in a public way. You know what happened to the popes? They were layin' the nuns; that's been goin' on for years, centuries. But the Catholic Church went to hell three or four centuries ago. It was homosexual, and it had to be cleaned out. That's what's happened to Britain. It happened earlier to France.

Let's look at the strong societies. The Russians. Goddamn, they root 'em out. They don't let 'em around at all. I don't know what they do with them. Look at this country. You think the Russians allow dope? Homosexuality, dope, immorality, are the enemies of strong societies. That's why the Communists and left-wingers are clinging to one another. They're trying to destroy us. I know Moynihan will disagree with this, [Attorney General John] Mitchell will, and Garment will. But, goddamn, we have to stand up to this.

EHRLICHMAN: It's fatal liberality.

NIXON: Huh?

EHRLICHMAN: It's fatal liberality. And with its use on television, it has such leverage.

NIXON: You know what's happened [in northern California]?

EHRLICHMAN: San Francisco has just gone clear over.

NIXON: But it's not just the ratty part of town. The upper class in San Francisco is that way. The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time--it is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine, with that San Francisco crowd. I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco.

Decorators. They got to do something. But we don't have to glorify it. You know one of the reasons fashions have made women look so terrible is because the goddamned designers hate women. Designers taking it out on the women. Now they're trying to get some more sexy things coming on again.

EHRLICHMAN: Hot pants.

NIXON: Jesus Christ.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!
Franz Ferdinand was assassinated 100 years ago today. it is one of Obama's earliest known distractions from Benghazi.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Ghost of Reagan Past posted:

I wonder if Nixon actually liked anything.

I bet that list is way shorter than his enemy list anyway.

Football, and Abraham Lincoln. Only two things I can think of off hand.

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx

Fried Chicken posted:

Franz Ferdinand was assassinated 100 years ago today. it is one of Obama's earliest known distractions from Benghazi.

Obama's fault for not saving him.

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

ThirdPartyView posted:

Let me just quote that whole conversation with Ehrlichman and Haldeman, because it's epic:

Christ, you couldn't make this poo poo up.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Joementum posted:

Whenever Nixon had to order a bombing he'd watch Patton on the USS Potomac while rapidly taking in a bottle of whiskey.

He saw that movie dozens of times.

What was the story, Nixon sitting in a recliner in the White House downing bottle after bottle in the days running up to his resignation?

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe

quote:

NIXON: Mexico is a much more moral country.

EHRLICHMAN: Monterrey, Cuernavaca. Go into slum areas, and by God they come out with clean shirts on a Sunday morning.

Better than the current GOP stance.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

DemeaninDemon posted:

Obama's fault for not saving him.

One of Gavrilo Princip's co-conspirators in the Young Bosnia murder team was a Bosniak Muslim, more evidence of Obama's dedication to a global caliphate?!

Luigi Thirty posted:

What was the story, Nixon sitting in a recliner in the White House downing bottle after bottle in the days running up to his resignation?

And, supposedly, General Haig had quietly let the Pentagon know to call him first if Nixon told them to nuke anyone.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

ThirdPartyView posted:

Let me just quote that whole conversation with Ehrlichman and Haldeman, because it's epic:

The guy we went our office from gets to, or at least claims to, go to the bohemian club and acts like it's some big deal.

It's very hard not to laugh when he brings it up thanks to that Nixon recording.

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

Talmonis posted:

Sweet mother of God, Mass. SWAT teams just went insane.

Holy
loving
poo poo
.

I knew coos could get away with murder, but now they're flaunting it so much they want tax breaks for it? drat.

Also the movie Dave is based on "the prisoner of Zenda" or something like that, an old story. Good movie though, I wish we had a job program like his.

made of bees
May 21, 2013
Who would win in a hate-off, Nixon or Jackson?

Bassetking
Feb 20, 2008

And it is, it is a glorious thing, to be a Basset King!

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Football, and Abraham Lincoln. Only two things I can think of off hand.

Also, his little dog, Checkers.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

quote:

The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time--it is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine

This makes me laugh every time. I just love the mental picture of Nixon being miserable and uncomfortable at that goofy event.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008
Man the Nixon tapes really bum me out because there's never going to be anything like them ever again.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

A Winner is Jew posted:

But to be fair to Nixon, Kissinger was a Jew and Nixon loving hated the kikes.

Nixon's distrust of Kissinger came mostly from Henry's willingness to work with the Kennedys and that was an unforgivable sin to Dick.

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

Berke Negri posted:

It does pose an interesting existential question of a natural order where biologically half of all fertilized eggs (with souls, the argument goes) naturally miscarry though, many without the mother even aware theyre pregnant. If a soul begins at conception (and not before as that isnt an orthodox Christian belief) you basically have trillions of souls littering limbo who just never even really got out of the gate, all generated by God who apparently has a 50-60% failure rate built into the human system of procreation and that's before what we think of "pregnancy" as starting.

I mean that isn't the weirdest thing out there but it doesn't seem to be dwelled upon much by life-starts-at-conception pro-lifers.

Phoneposting so no idea if this is a doublepost.

A recent Christian movie had this idea in it, I heard. I think it had Greg Kinnear in it. All the unborn babies were like 6 year old ghosts in heaven, iirc according to the front page review.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Talmonis posted:

Sweet mother of God, Mass. SWAT teams just went insane.

On the one hand, that sounds crazy. On the other, Balko is a massive sensationalist. I'm going to see what other columnists write on this event.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

Talmonis posted:

Sweet mother of God, Mass. SWAT teams just went insane.

Police are your enemies.

Schenck v. U.S.
Sep 8, 2010

Captain_Maclaine posted:

And, supposedly, General Haig had quietly let the Pentagon know to call him first if Nixon told them to nuke anyone.

When the fighting in Sinai was at its most critical stage, Nixon was generally incapacitated by paranoia and/or drink and Kissinger not only had to handle the crisis largely on his own initiative, but he also had the additional task of preventing foreign diplomats and heads of state from getting access to the president. Edward Heath, PM of the United Kingdom, got the brushoff when he called Washington to inquire about our stance but Nixon was too drunk to take the call. Likewise the Israeli ambassador repeatedly requested personal time with the president but was only allowed to communicate via Kissinger. It's kind of fascinating to think about WWIII maybe looming over everybody and nobody can talk to the most important man in the world because he's embroiled in a scandal about breaking into hotel rooms.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Fun fact: Haig, Nixon's chief of staff resigned as secretary of state under Reagan because he thought a nuclear warning shot in Europe would be a good idea.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

In short: Futurama Nixon isn't as crazy as real Nixon.

Stanos
Sep 22, 2009

The best 57 in hockey.
The fake Nixon tapes Mobute and bro_pair did are pretty great too:

http://theclassical.org/articles/hot-take-richard-nixon-and-friends-on-super-bowl-xlviii

badatom
Dec 10, 2011

hobbesmaster posted:

In short: Futurama Nixon isn't as crazy as real Nixon.

I'll admit, I read that whole exchange with Billy West's Nixon voice in mind. "Aroo!"

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters

made of bees posted:

Who would win in a hate-off, Nixon or Jackson?

Nixon can't hate if he's dead, and I can't see him surviving Jackson.

Jackson wins by default.

skaboomizzy
Nov 12, 2003

There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.

Fried Chicken posted:

Franz Ferdinand was assassinated 100 years ago today. it is one of Obama's earliest known distractions from Benghazi.

I posted on FB "RIP Archie Duke, lead singer of Franz Ferdinand" and it's catching waaaaay too many people out.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

SedanChair posted:

Police are your enemies.

I make a point of, where ever I go, becoming known, if not friends, to a few police officers. And in my experience they truly do believe in the ideal America, where justice is blind to wealth and race, where they really are defending their communities and making the world a better place. And in some cases that's whats happening.

But what I've also noticed is that letting the ideal slips makes their jobs easier. So it doesn't matter how many cops you know who are awesome guys (and the ones I party with honestly are). At the end of a long shift after a long week, EVERYONE gets tempted to cut corners. Hell, when I was in the Navy I know people who got tired and cut corners with lethally radioactive materials.

And the ugly truth for police is that the more they ignore your rights, the easier their job gets. So even the best cop, after a long week of long shifts full of complete bullshit will be willing to take the easy route. I don't blame them, it is totally human nature. I've done it myself with my jobs. I'm sure everyone reading this has done the same with theirs. But they will do it. And it will have VERY negative repercussions to you if you are the one who they cut corners on.

Call it food for thought.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES
Sounds like a case for cutting hours and boosting payroll.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

Fried Chicken posted:

I make a point of, where ever I go, becoming known, if not friends, to a few police officers. And in my experience they truly do believe in the ideal America, where justice is blind to wealth and race, where they really are defending their communities and making the world a better place. And in some cases that's whats happening.

No cop makes the world a better place, period.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Captain_Maclaine posted:


And, supposedly, General Haig had quietly let the Pentagon know to call him first if Nixon told them to nuke anyone.

Yeah, that's not really a secret. When Nixon got really embroiled in scandal, the Pentagon technically "went rogue" by deciding that if Nixon called in a nuke strike, they would not follow through.

It's one of those cases when breaking the letter of the law meant you were respecting the spirit of the law, and knowing what those guys were risking career wise I really respect them for making that call.

Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Jun 29, 2014

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

SedanChair posted:

No cop makes the world a better place, period.

The ones I got to know the best and was referring to there were from a town that had multiple mass shootings, an arson over a girl, and a near race brawl over cat calls.

I will fully back that they were making the world a better place hitting a frat to strip guns from shitheads.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Fried Chicken posted:

Yeah, that's not really a secret. When Nixon got really embroiled in scandal, the Pentagon technically "went rogue" by deciding that if Nixon called in a nuke strike, they would not follow through.

It's one of those cases when breaking the letter of the law meant you were respecting the spirit of the law, and knowing what those guys were risking career wise I really respect them for making that call.

That would likely lead to an invocation of section 4 of the 25th amendment so it'd be following the letter of a law anyways.

Okan170
Nov 14, 2007

Torpedoes away!

Fried Chicken posted:

Yeah, that's not really a secret. When Nixon got really embroiled in scandal, the Pentagon technically "went rogue" by deciding that if Nixon called in a nuke strike, they would not follow through.

It's one of those cases when breaking the letter of the law meant you were respecting the spirit of the law, and knowing what those guys were risking career wise I really respect them for making that call.

Holy crap the more I read about this the crazier it becomes…. The man was giving speeches to the portraits in the white house in his last days. :stare:

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Fried Chicken posted:

The ones I got to know the best and was referring to there were from a town that had multiple mass shootings, an arson over a girl, and a near race brawl over cat calls.

I will fully back that they were making the world a better place hitting a frat to strip guns from shitheads.

:suspense:

Raskolnikov38 fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Jun 29, 2014

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

Fried Chicken posted:

The ones I got to know the best and was referring to there were from a town that had multiple mass shootings, an arson over a girl, and a near race brawl over cat calls.

I will fully back that they were making the world a better place hitting a frat to strip guns from shitheads.

Who gives a poo poo? Maybe they visited kids' hospitals too. It doesn't matter what they do that's good.

People who get to know cops and conclude that they are nice guys and doing their best are enablers of wickedness and corruption.

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Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

SedanChair posted:

Who gives a poo poo? Maybe they visited kids' hospitals too. It doesn't matter what they do that's good.

People who get to know cops and conclude that they are nice guys and doing their best are enablers of wickedness and corruption.

And how do you think the no-cops alternative would play out?

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