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Mordecai Sanchez posted:So when the ball is over the line, players can't reach over to kick it back in play a la Dennis Rodman flying into the stands? I'd have to see this incident because if the ball isnt out of play and somebody grabs i before it is then thats a handball. Considering nobody has said anything anywhere else I think you mis-saw it. I think the ball probably did cross the line, and the linesman flagged for a brazil throw in, out of camera shot but visible to the player. You can't kick a ball back into play when it goes out of bounds on either side of the pitch.
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Pissflaps posted:I'd have to see this incident because if the ball isnt out of play and somebody grabs i before it is then thats a handball. Considering nobody has said anything anywhere else I think you mis-saw it. He's confused, I think in basketball as long as the player or the ball don't touch the ground then you can throw a ball that is clearly over the line back in.
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Jun 28, 2014 18:59
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Yeah, American sports are much more concerned with ground contact and player position than ball position. My mom was always confused on why players could just run outside the lines in an attempt to keep the ball in. But most american sports have the player in control of the ball more often.
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Jun 28, 2014 19:16
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it's the same in rugby as well, but in football the ball is out when it's over the line regardless of its height at that point.
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Jun 28, 2014 19:17
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When do players have time to practice as a team for their international team? Or rather how do they split time with their respective clubs vs international?
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Jun 28, 2014 19:59
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Mordecai Sanchez posted:How come Chicharito comes off the bench for Mexico when he's good enough to play for Man U? Is the experience of the guys who start at his position that much more important than his raw talent and scoring ability? He was pretty much fourth-choice for United last season, behind Van Persie, Rooney and Welbeck. He only got six league starts all year, and that was with Van Persie out for a good chunk of the season. On the other hand, Mexico are hot garbage, so take that for what you will.
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Jun 28, 2014 20:10
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Blitz7x posted:When do players have time to practice as a team for their international team? Or rather how do they split time with their respective clubs vs international? There's normally six or so FIFA-approved international breaks each year, where clubs are (officially) obliged to let players go if they're fit. Those weeks will then be used for qualifying matches for either the World Cup or the regional tournament (Euro 2016, Copa America etc), or for friendly (i.e. exhibition) games that can either be used as practice games or just as awful revenue-generating devices. Hence why Brazil no longer play their friendly games in Brazil. There's also the month of so before the World Cup where the team will train together and probably play 3-4 friendly games as a warm-up.
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Jun 28, 2014 20:17
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I wasn't alive in 1970. I wouldn't be born for 15 more years.
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Jun 28, 2014 20:19
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Darth Windu posted:I wasn't alive in 1970. I wouldn't be born for 15 more years. not sure how relevant this info is but thanks for sharing
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Jun 28, 2014 20:21
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Darth Windu posted:I wasn't alive in 1970. I wouldn't be born for 15 more years. It's okay. Nobody has actually seen Pele, Cruyff or Best play, let alone Matthews or Puskas. Just pick whichever one you think was prettiest and say he was the best of all time. Angrily belittle people who say Ronaldo or Zidane as being "90's kids". You're a big-time pundit, now, son.
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Jun 28, 2014 20:24
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stickyfngrdboy posted:not sure how relevant this info is but thanks for sharing lol I'm pretty sure he posted in the wrong thread as I had just mentioned World Cup 1970 in there, which this World Cup is shaping up to be better than. For new fans: The Brazil 1970 side is widely considered the finest team of all time
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Jun 28, 2014 20:25
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On the other hand, if you want to be a top, top contrarian like me, why not say Matthias Sindelar? It'll send people mental, since the whole endeavour is so entirely subjective as to be largely meaningless beyond personal favourites
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Jun 28, 2014 20:27
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The Finn posted:lol I'm pretty sure he posted in the wrong thread as I had just mentioned World Cup 1970 in there, which this World Cup is shaping up to be better than. Whoops. gently caress me.
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Jun 28, 2014 20:31
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stickyfngrdboy posted:it's the same in rugby as well, but in football the ball is out when it's over the line regardless of its height at that point. For example http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/25067747
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Jun 28, 2014 20:47
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FullLeatherJacket posted:There's normally six or so FIFA-approved international breaks each year, where clubs are (officially) obliged to let players go if they're fit. Those weeks will then be used for qualifying matches for either the World Cup or the regional tournament (Euro 2016, Copa America etc), or for friendly (i.e. exhibition) games that can either be used as practice games or just as awful revenue-generating devices. Hence why Brazil no longer play their friendly games in Brazil. Are there clauses in contracts that protect the player/club in case of catastrophic injury that may occur in non-club activities?
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Jun 28, 2014 21:31
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Blitz7x posted:Are there clauses in contracts that protect the player/club in case of catastrophic injury that may occur in non-club activities? lol no and this is a hotly debated issue
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Jun 28, 2014 21:35
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Please dont bring this up it was heartbreaking
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Jun 28, 2014 21:37
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The Finn posted:lol no and this is a hotly debated issue holy poo poo
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Jun 28, 2014 21:40
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I've always assumed that clubs take out insurance against players getting career ending injuries but I'm not sure if that's the case.
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Jun 28, 2014 21:40
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stefan schwarz's contract stopped him from going to space it's a loving disgrace
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Jun 28, 2014 21:41
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Blitz7x posted:holy poo poo International breaks that happen during the season are nerve wracking times, you hope your club's best players come back uninjured. There are also often club v country confrontations where the club insist a player is hurt and ask for them not to be called up and they are anyway, etc
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Pissflaps posted:I've always assumed that clubs take out insurance against players getting career ending injuries but I'm not sure if that's the case. I'm pretty sure they do and I think one of the issues is that insurance doesn't (or didn't) pay out if the injury happened on international duty. Idk where that info got to me so it may not be accurate.
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Jun 28, 2014 21:44
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You can get insured against any eventuality if you negotiate the right policy idk why there'd be a blanket ban on international injuries paying out.
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Jun 28, 2014 21:56
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The Finn posted:lol no and this is a hotly debated issue Fifa and the FA are actually supposed to pay the players wages they return to a club with an injury picked up while on international duty. See: Owen, Michael.
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Please pardon this brief interruption. I'm taking the slow route through grad school (one class at a time). Currently I'm in a class on internet mapping platforms, and the first lab deals with using some Google tools. I need a minimum of 50 entries and although I could just make up the data I'm going with a simple World Cup viewing survey. It's 4 questions long, I'd be ecstatic if any of you would be kind enough to respond. I'm hoping to get a pretty vast geographic return so I'm bugging you guys about it. http://bit.ly/1mrK4xQ
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Jun 28, 2014 21:59
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Pissflaps posted:I've always assumed that clubs take out insurance against players getting career ending injuries but I'm not sure if that's the case. pretty sure there is, I remember when Michael Owen got injured on england duty while he was at newcastle and there was some talk about the insurance covering his wages while he was out. e/ god drat it.
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stickyfngrdboy posted:Please dont bring this up it was heartbreaking You've misspelled hilarious there.
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Jun 28, 2014 22:38
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Very casual fan here but the first world cup I saw that got me interested in the sport was 1994 and I remember being in awe of the skill of the Brazil team that year. In comparison to other World Cup teams over the years, how good was that 94 Brazil team?
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bryn987 posted:Very casual fan here but the first world cup I saw that got me interested in the sport was 1994 and I remember being in awe of the skill of the Brazil team that year. In comparison to other World Cup teams over the years, how good was that 94 Brazil team? Not that good. Romįrio is easily one of the best players of all time and was perhaps at his peak there, so he could single-handledly win games like it ain't no thang (and he did). Other than that, it obviously included other notable, very good players such as Taffarel, Aldair, Mauro Silva and Bebeto, but it doesn't rank among the best teams fielded even by Brazil, not to mention top teams from all the other countries. Overall, it was effective, but didn't play beautiful football. Mystic Stylez fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Jun 29, 2014 |
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The Finn posted:lol no and this is a hotly debated issue FIFA pays the players salaries if the injury lasts longer than a month.
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bryn987 posted:Very casual fan here but the first world cup I saw that got me interested in the sport was 1994 and I remember being in awe of the skill of the Brazil team that year. In comparison to other World Cup teams over the years, how good was that 94 Brazil team? Not even Brazilians themselves liked that team because instead of winning the World Cup by playing attractive attacking samba football they won it by playing slowly and defensively and countering the opposition. Dunga was one of the key players in that team and the captain, and he was a very boring defensive midfielder.
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Spurs had some issues with insurance for Cudicini iirc because he injured himself in a motorbike crash which his insurance didn't cover as its a dangerous activity and they were thinking of just cancelling his contract
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vyelkin posted:Not even Brazilians themselves liked that team because instead of winning the World Cup by playing attractive attacking samba football they won it by playing slowly and defensively and countering the opposition. Dunga was one of the key players in that team and the captain, and he was a very boring defensive midfielder. See also, 2002 and present day. Brazil seem to play their best football when they aren't winning world cups (in recent history anyway) I think Fat Ronaldo scored about 8 goals in 2002. But I still remember they weren't exactly playing attacking football.
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Jun 29, 2014 11:08
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Fat Ronaldo would have scored 15 goals playing for Greece in 2004 tbf
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Jun 29, 2014 12:18
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I Feast On Dogshit posted:See also, 2002 and present day. Brazil seem to play their best football when they aren't winning world cups (in recent history anyway) you remember wrong
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The Mash posted:Fat Ronaldo would have scored 15 goals playing for Greece in 2004 tbf Fat Ronaldo was an amazing player It's a shame he's now only remembered as "Fat" Ronaldo
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Jun 29, 2014 16:21
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DOOP posted:Fat Ronaldo was an amazing player He's only remembered as 'fat Ronaldo' by idiots, op.
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Jun 29, 2014 16:24
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DOOP posted:Fat Ronaldo was an amazing player People don't actually remember him as Fat Ronaldo, that's just a funny way to refer to one of the best strikers in the history of football, and an easy way to distinguish him from the guy most people will immediately think of if you just write Ronaldo. Ten years from now, when CRonaldo has retired and there's some new guy named Fabio Ronaldo or whatever, Cristiano will be referred to by some other name as well, just for clarification.
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How does Ochoa not have a club? How did he not sign with a club when his last contract ended? Obv, dude is gonna get PAIIIDDDD now, but it just seems strange that a world cup caliber keeper would be club-less
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BlueBayou posted:How does Ochoa not have a club? Contract ended this summer, technically he is still Ajaccio's player for like 2 days? He is probably doing what lots of footballers do - keep their options open till the world cup is over. Perfect place for mediocre players to shine, like Ochoa.
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