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Dinictus
Nov 26, 2005

May our CoX spray white sticky fluid at our enemies forever!
HAIL ARACHNOS!
Soiled Meat
REO Fleshwagon may yet live.

Gaghskull posted:

Soviet Red fills the most important part of making a Blood Bowl team, having a good gimmick. It isn't as well done as some of my teams for puns, but it has a fun gimmick. Also, fun fact about Cyanide Blood Bowl. By default, General Giorgy Zhukov is censored and you can't make a player with that name. You actually have to go into the game files and delete the censored list for the name to work.

But won't that mean the opposing player will simply not see the name, them having a censor list most likely intact?

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PotatoManJack
Nov 9, 2009

Dinictus posted:

REO Fleshwagon may yet live.


But won't that mean the opposing player will simply not see the name, them having a censor list most likely intact?

Surprisingly not - the censor list is held client side and is only applied to names as you put them in, and isn't checked once you're in the game.

SevenDeadlySins (I think) deleted the list at one point and made a team with names like "gently caress Cock Licker" and "oval office Whore" and then played me, and all those names popped up on my end.

Behold the amazing programming of Cyanide in all its glory!

GNU Order
Feb 28, 2011

That's a paddlin'

Yeah, the bad words check only happens when you try to name your team or players

Fun Hax from your boy Gnu, the Bad Words list is stored in a .txt file so you can go hunt down BadWords.txt and clear it out to use all sorts of dirty words in your team names

sunburnedcrow
Dec 17, 2012
Nooo, Flesh Prince, noooo! I guess we know what the winnings are going to be used for now.

Smoky Bandana
Oct 1, 2009

You can trip on my synthesizer.
Well that's what money's for. 'Least it didn't happen to my man Beefslab.

I dont know
Aug 9, 2003

That Guy here...

PotatoManJack posted:

Surprisingly not - the censor list is held client side and is only applied to names as you put them in, and isn't checked once you're in the game.

SevenDeadlySins (I think) deleted the list at one point and made a team with names like "gently caress Cock Licker" and "oval office Whore" and then played me, and all those names popped up on my end.

Behold the amazing programming of Cyanide in all its glory!

Holy smokes. I thought things like this stopped working after the first Diablo or Ultima Online.

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

I dont know posted:

Holy smokes. I thought things like this stopped working after the first Diablo or Ultima Online.

For competent companies, maybe.

But not for Cyanide.

Literally gently caress Dwarves forever though. I just Alt-F4 in setup when I see Dwarves
and don't feel the least bit bad.

Besides Chaos Pact though, the Mino is a poor fit as far as big guys go. Chorfs don't need him, between two ST4 bulls, and 6 Dwarves, he's useless, and Chaos have enough strength without, since they have 4 ST4 guys and everyone has strength access anyhow.
Compare that with the Rogre for Skaven, or even the Ogre for Humans. Where they fill a niche that is otherwise a problem on the team.

Cpact, sure, because their gimmick is literally Big Guys. They could also have had a Rogre though since they have other rats.

TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
---------
Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.

GNU Order posted:

Fun Hax from your boy Gnu, the Bad Words list is stored in a .txt file so you can go hunt down BadWords.txt and clear it out to use all sorts of dirty words in your team names

So I went hunting for that file, wondering what it was named. I didn't expect it to literally be named "BadWords", though. Lots of interesting stuff in there, including "Hitler", so if I ever want to make a Nazi parallel to Soviet Red, I'll have to delete that file.

...I totally need to make that a Dwarf team. That would be the worst thing ever.

And in a testament to Cyanide's incompetence, they have separate entries for "motherfuck", "motherfucker", "motherfucka", "motherfuckers" and a few more terms, even though the basic "motherfuck" filter would already deal with all those other variations, as Zhukov's tripping of "orgy" proves. I highly recommend seeking the list out (Blood Bowl\Data\Manager) for a laugh. Some strange terms in there.

PotatoManJack
Nov 9, 2009

Veloxyll posted:

For competent companies, maybe.

But not for Cyanide.

Literally gently caress Dwarves forever though. I just Alt-F4 in setup when I see Dwarves
and don't feel the least bit bad.

Besides Chaos Pact though, the Mino is a poor fit as far as big guys go. Chorfs don't need him, between two ST4 bulls, and 6 Dwarves, he's useless, and Chaos have enough strength without, since they have 4 ST4 guys and everyone has strength access anyhow.
Compare that with the Rogre for Skaven, or even the Ogre for Humans. Where they fill a niche that is otherwise a problem on the team.

Cpact, sure, because their gimmick is literally Big Guys. They could also have had a Rogre though since they have other rats.

Except that you're forgetting the most important thing. Mino makes an excellent Ball Carier / Receiver. Extra Arm + Big hand mean 3+ pickups anywhere you want. Take out the ball carier, and then pickup the ball all in one sweet motion.

Fucks Given = 0

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.
So after realising that I'm way way too bad at this game to deal with the lunacy that is Vampires, I picked up Undead instead.

My god Mummies are amazing. 5 strength, no nega traits, might blow as standard? I just had a game against humans where I got four casualties and four knockouts in a single drive.

Also maybe it's because I play wood elves, but I don't mind dwarves all too much. I just sit back and move my defensive line a space back every turn until they get impatient and then go for a pickoff with my wardancer. You can usually annihilate the poo poo out of them on offense by just running up one table side and then just pass playing to the other. You laugh as the dwarves try to waddle along and catch your a billion movement catcher.

Pavlov
Oct 21, 2012

I've long been fascinated with how the alt-right develops elaborate and obscure dog whistles to try to communicate their meaning without having to say it out loud
Stepan Andreyevich Bandera being the most prominent example of that

TheMcD posted:

And in a testament to Cyanide's incompetence, they have separate entries for "motherfuck", "motherfucker", "motherfucka", "motherfuckers" and a few more terms, even though the basic "motherfuck" filter would already deal with all those other variations, as Zhukov's tripping of "orgy" proves. I highly recommend seeking the list out (Blood Bowl\Data\Manager) for a laugh. Some strange terms in there.

Dark souls 2 also has client side name filtering. Their list puts Cyanide to shame.

"fuckingshitmotherfucker"

TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
---------
Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.

Pavlov posted:

Dark souls 2 also has client side name filtering. Their list puts Cyanide to shame.

"fuckingshitmotherfucker"

Yeah, I don't think anything's going to top that - filtering "cleveland" just because there's an obscure sex act that's called the Cleveland Steamer is pretty drat impressive.

Battle Hamster
Mar 21, 2007
That list taught me a lot of words I didn't know. I will be attempting to work "lumpkin" into my vocabulary now.

Pavlov
Oct 21, 2012

I've long been fascinated with how the alt-right develops elaborate and obscure dog whistles to try to communicate their meaning without having to say it out loud
Stepan Andreyevich Bandera being the most prominent example of that
My dark souls name is "CorndogHandbag", because it appears in game entirely as *'s. :darksouls:

Average Lettuce
Oct 22, 2012


Is "angrypenguins" a porn I've never heard of? probably

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
It's an Australian modernist movement.

Obviously a cover for fascism.

TheNabster
Apr 26, 2014

"Today I will cause problems on purpose"

Battle Hamster posted:

That list taught me a lot of words I didn't know. I will be attempting to work "lumpkin" into my vocabulary now.

Who the gently caress says "Ricockulous"

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

TheNabster posted:

Who the gently caress says "Ricockulous"

Me circa 1994.

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

TheNabster posted:

Who the gently caress says "Ricockulous"

12 year olds.

Blackmage Yapo
Mar 27, 2008

Odin You Sad I Have
All The SPP
GnuOrder I like how your largely AV 8 team with Regen is less sturdy than the two previous AV 7 teams that were lp'd

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.

Blackmage Yapo posted:

GnuOrder I like how your largely AV 8 team with Regen is less sturdy than the two previous AV 7 teams that were lp'd

Though to be fair as far as Stalin is concerned his whole team IS AV7 (he is a man of the people after all so it makes sense that all enemies are equally hosed when he punches them).

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

Feinne posted:

Though to be fair as far as Stalin is concerned his whole team IS AV7 (he is a man of the people after all so it makes sense that all enemies are equally hosed when he punches them).

Gnu's wolfs operate on the same principle, but all they seem to be good at is dying.

Gaghskull
Dec 25, 2010

Bearforce1

Boys! Boys! Boys!

Veloxyll posted:

Gnu's wolfs operate on the same principle, but all they seem to be good at is dying.

#1. Bloodthirster has mighty blow so he punches through armor even easier, and when he does, he often does more damage.
#2. Bloodthirster is a lot stronger than the wolves, so it's easier for him to break AV7.

Bloodthirsters are the best big guys in the game, and that's because they are very, very dangerous. Once they get a couple levels on, they become positively terrifying with break tackle or even block if you're lucky

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.

Gaghskull posted:

#1. Bloodthirster has mighty blow so he punches through armor even easier, and when he does, he often does more damage.
#2. Bloodthirster is a lot stronger than the wolves, so it's easier for him to break AV7.

Bloodthirsters are the best big guys in the game, and that's because they are very, very dangerous. Once they get a couple levels on, they become positively terrifying with break tackle or even block if you're lucky

And even if you never give them block you'll be blitzing a lot with them and THEY'RE THE JUGGERNAUT BITCH.

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

Gaghskull posted:

#1. Bloodthirster has mighty blow so he punches through armor even easier, and when he does, he often does more damage.
#2. Bloodthirster is a lot stronger than the wolves, so it's easier for him to break AV7.

Bloodthirsters are the best big guys in the game, and that's because they are very, very dangerous. Once they get a couple levels on, they become positively terrifying with break tackle or even block if you're lucky

I'd prefer a Mino. Because it means I'm playing a competent team. Juggernaut is honestly more valuable than the claw. A single level gives a cow Claw anyhow. And the rest of your team doesn't frenzy trap themselves if you're not really careful.

Or a Yhetee. Since Norse are way better than Khorne.

Gaghskull
Dec 25, 2010

Bearforce1

Boys! Boys! Boys!

Veloxyll posted:

I'd prefer a Mino. Because it means I'm playing a competent team. Juggernaut is honestly more valuable than the claw. A single level gives a cow Claw anyhow. And the rest of your team doesn't frenzy trap themselves if you're not really careful.

Or a Yhetee. Since Norse are way better than Khorne.

This is a bad opinion and now I have to come up with a huge effort post about why Khorne is the best team ever that will never, ever succeed in a brand new 1000tv limited time league.

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

Given the thorough dicing I got last game I played as Khorne, it's gonna have to be a good one.
Even with that, I only got minor frenzy trapped (into a 1DB) once all league.

Though also had only 2 surfs total in my game v Yapo. We both expected each other to go for a lot more, counter-surfs be damned
(Always Be Crowdsurfin)

Also: Norse ARE better than Khorne at any TV.

Veloxyll fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Jun 29, 2014

Iretep
Nov 10, 2009
Ogres are the best team though. 6 st5 players and as many +2 dodgers as you could ask for! You could even say that you can't get enough of them.

GNU Order
Feb 28, 2011

That's a paddlin'

:siren:Second Half:siren:

Fairly Elected (GNU Order, Necromantic) vs Soviet Red (Gaghskull, Khorne)



Final Thoughts - This was a really fun match to play. Probably the most fun match yet, even though my boy died. Also I'm getting really good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Whoops.

Post-Match Votes
What skill do we give Santos Van Hammerstein, Ghoul/pimp?
What do we do with our cash earnings?

1. Save it for Flolem #2 (We're 10k short so barring any other casualties we will be able to buy him next game)
2. Cheerleaders
3. Buy a zombie now
4. Save it, but not for a new Flolem



Playing the part of SDS for skillup suggestions will be yours truly

Santos has proven himself to be irrefutably the best (or possibly second best) player on this team, and the fact that Ghouls are AV7 and don't have Regen has me loving terrified for the future every time he falls to the ground. So, having said that, there are a couple good skill choices here, and the best two in my opinion are (in no particular order)

Side Step - We've seen Sidestep demoed in the Elf match. When Santos is pushed, he would get to choose which square he's pushed into, and he could step into any square surrounding him that is unoccupied. SS is a very good skill on a player who already has Dodge, because it makes him that much more likely to get pushed around. SS works both offensively and defensively, as it puts control of his position in my hands, meaning I can stick to a player, wiggle into a gap to stop a breakaway ballcarrier, or simply poke through a defense and make a break towards the end zone and score.

Sure Hands - Sure Hands is a skill which allows a player who fails to pick up the ball to reroll that pickup without having to use a Team Reroll. This only applies to pickups, not any sort of catch or whatever. Considering Santos is basically the guy who picks up the ball on kickoffs, and being AG3 he's had some trouble picking the ball up, choosing Sure Hands would allow the team to possibly not have more rerolls later down the stretch, as we wouldn't be wasting them trying to pick the ball up.

Of course there are always other options. In this case, giving Santos a useful skill is fairly important considering how good he's become as a player and how valuable he is to the team.

Voting ends Tuesday night or something CST




Sorry about the long wait, this week leading up to the 4th (America Day, baby) is going to be pretty busy so the next match and video might be a bit late as well. I trust you guys will be able to keep busy with derails and whatnot

GNU Order fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Jun 30, 2014

tlarn
Mar 1, 2013

You see,
God doesn't help little frogs.

He helps people like me.
Now that was some good Bloodbowl.

Sidestep for Santos, with Blodge he's now an annoying bastard to deal with. Save your money, even the lowest payout result on the next game will get you enough money for a new Flesh Golem.

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

SDS the fuckin Mino is 5 ST. How are you so bad at Bloodbowl?!
Though he needs Juggs to match the Thirster baseline.

You soulda thrown more -2dbs on the Thirster. A pair of 2+s.

Diving Catch for Santos
+1 for accurate passes, and a chance to plain STEAL the kickoff if you man up and put him on the line.

Buy a Cheerleader, god. I think minimum winnings is 20k, so we can still get a Flolem after next game!

Veloxyll fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Jun 30, 2014

TheNabster
Apr 26, 2014

"Today I will cause problems on purpose"
You done hosed up and made us tie against the team who slew the Prince by being a numpty. Commit Sudoku.

Also my votes

Save for Flesh Prince 2.0

Side Step for the prodigal son Santos

PotatoManJack
Nov 9, 2009
Interesting 2nd half, loved how the 2nd drive started.

Santos Skill: Diving Catch Because we've got a dude with pass right, so now we need a dude with catch!

Save for Flolem 2

What?

e: updated to Diving catch because it's better than catch in this case

PotatoManJack fucked around with this message at 10:45 on Jun 30, 2014

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.
Pro as gently caress.

Sure Hands
Save the cash for A Flesh Beginning (credit goes to poster Steelpudding)

Gaghskull
Dec 25, 2010

Bearforce1

Boys! Boys! Boys!
So I promised an effort post about why Khorne isn't a bad team. I swear, it's actually a really good team. So to make my point, let's head over to

:black101: KHORNE KORNER :black101:

So to understand why Khorne can be a good blood bowl team requires an understanding of the power level of blood bowl teams. Certain teams in blood bowl are much stronger at certain team values. For instance, dwarves are at their absolute best (and what goons would consider their most heinous) just starting out at 1000 tv because you get all the free loving skills that drive every other team insane. On the other end, you have chaos which is poor early because they have no skills starting out with, but become the most murderous team possible once you get past the 1600 TV or so. Most tournaments start with a fresh team at 1000 tv, this is very, very bad for Khorne. As Gnu mentioned in the video, every player on the khorne team barring one positional starts with frenzy. Frenzy forces you to throw a lot of blocks. As many veteran coaches know, throwing a bunch of blocks without the block skill, is actually kind of dangerous. The video that Gnu just posted isn't that typical. Most Khorne teams wants a lot of block as soon as possible as it turns your fairly risky 2db into something much much safer. I just happened to get a lot of +AG rolls and when Nuffles gives you stat ups, you take the goddamn stat ups.

For all their faults at lower TV, Khorne is one of my absolute favorites to play at a higher level. To see why, let's take a look at their positionals.

Pit Fighters: Fighters are somewhat unexceptional players from their stateline. 6/3/3/8 is basically what you would expect from most linemen. Of course they all start with frenzy which makes things "interesting". Their main advantage is that #1. they are cheap which is a godsend because the rest of the positionals are somewhat costly and #2. The skill access. Pit Fighters have access to normal/passing trees on any normal skill up and agility/strength on doubles. When you have a team with frenzy on nearly every player, you'd expect the team to be bashy as all hell, but the passing skills mean that you can utilize that frenzy to plays moving down the pitch that elves wish they could do. It's so much easier to play the passing game when you can frenzy block/blitz the opponents away from your passing targets. It also means that thanks to frenzy, very few teams are going to be willing to line up next to you on the edges of the field. You have players with frenzy, people gonna get 'surfed.

Bloodletters: I'm going to be honest here, I don't like letters very much. Khorne's gimmick is frenzy on everyone, and letters don't have frenzy to start with. Instead you have a 6/3/3/7 player that has horns, juggernaut, and regeneration. Now, I've run bloodletters on my team before and I can't quite figure out what the hell to do with them. They make decent blitzers with horn and juggernaut, while the regen means that you should lose them a little less often (one of two players in the entire game that gets regeneration on a team that has access to an apothecary). However it's the armor that bugs the hell out of me simply because it is the lowest AV on the team. The lack of frenzy does mean that you can avoid some frenzy traps, but I'd rather be using someone else.

Khorne Heralds: Oh baby, now we're talking. These are one of my favorite positionals in the game aside from werewolves. They still have the "average" statline of 6/3/3/8, but they start off with frenzy, juggernaut, and horns. I use them as blitzers and once I get block on them, as general ball handlers if someone with AG 4 isn't on the pitch. Some coaches count out horn, but I keep finding it saving my rear end time and time again simply because it means that if you have a herald getting downfield then they can't send only one player to mark you. And juggernaut means that the lack of block isn't crippling on a player that really likes to blitz anyway. You might be asking why I prefer the heralds over the bloodletters when the bloodletters only have 1 less AV with regen to boot, and that's because I find that AV8 is really important. Regen can save your player from dying, I want my player not to get hurt in the first place.

BLOODTHIRSTER: Hands down, this is the absolute best big guy in the game. Juggernaut, horns, regeneration, claws, frenzy. The only thing the thirster lacks is mighty blow but with claw on a strength 5 player, you're going to get the SPP quickly. The bloodthirster is one of the few big guys that I would always recommend a new team to start with simply because he adds the killing potential to the team. Khorne punches a lot so you're going to see a lot of CAS, but the bloodthirster is how you kill people. With a claw, mighty blow, strength 5 player you are going to cause a whole bunch of CAS. And as was seen in the video, once Khorne starts causing players to get off the field, it can quickly get very nasty very quickly

All in all, Khorne is a fun team, that is curiously effective. You may suck early, but Khorne is a surprisingly bashy, passing team at higher TVs.

There you go, effort post.

Gaghskull fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Jun 30, 2014

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

I think you'll find that it's a scientific fact that AV7 is steel.
As anyone who has played against Zons or Wood Elfs can attest.

Or rats. Fuckin rats, man.

Rorahusky
Nov 12, 2012

Transform and waaauuuugh out!
Sure Hands for Santos and Save for a new Golem.

uPen
Jan 25, 2010

Zu Rodina!

Veloxyll posted:

I think you'll find that it's a scientific fact that AV7 is steel.
As anyone who has played against Zons or Wood Elfs can attest.

Or rats. Fuckin rats, man.

In my experience I get at least 1 rat killed in 4 out of 5 games.

Pavlov
Oct 21, 2012

I've long been fascinated with how the alt-right develops elaborate and obscure dog whistles to try to communicate their meaning without having to say it out loud
Stepan Andreyevich Bandera being the most prominent example of that

Veloxyll posted:

I think you'll find that it's a scientific fact that AV7 is steel.
As anyone who has played against Zons or Wood Elfs can attest.

Or rats. Fuckin rats, man.

I played about 50 games as rats. I had to retire 25 rats during that time. They are still probably the most fun team to play though.

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1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.
AV7 is steel when its on the opposing team. Its tissue paper when its on yours.

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