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jassi007 posted:GP NJ playmat. Unf. Objectively the best Brainstorm art.
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jassi007 posted:GP NJ playmat. Unf. Is that for top 8? Or just entry?
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Jun 30, 2014 19:42
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Kasonic posted:Objectively the best Brainstorm art. Its so nice on that mat, plus I think to those people who have the set of foil masque's brainstorms it is just gold. The crazy ice age guy would be awful, and the new one is ok but its to new to really represent a legacy card imo.
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Jun 30, 2014 19:44
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mcmagic posted:Is that for top 8? Or just entry? It should be for entry. Star City does GP's right, so I'd expect everyone who enters the main event gets one just like GP Richmond.
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Jun 30, 2014 19:45
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Kasonic posted:Objectively the best Brainstorm art. I don't know if that's an artist thing or an art director thing but for U and what it does the MM art really fits the card and the other ones look like keranos just spiked your morning coffee.
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Jun 30, 2014 19:49
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I really want this stupid playmat now, but I doubt I'm going to get the sweet deal I did on my Eternal Witness mat.  Spiderdrake posted:In all seriousness it kinda weirds me how 'brainstorm' is a term that long predates magic but the other brainstorm arts are all like, some weird fantasy realization of brainSTORM with lightning coming out of their ears. Everyone Brainstorms differently. Please don't Brainstorm-shame.
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Jun 30, 2014 19:51
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jassi007 posted:It should be for entry. Star City does GP's right, so I'd expect everyone who enters the main event gets one just like GP Richmond. That might be worth putting together a burn deck for 100 bucks just to enter. It's literally 10 mins from my house.
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Jun 30, 2014 19:54
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jassi007 posted:It should be for entry. Star City does GP's right, so I'd expect everyone who enters the main event gets one just like GP Richmond. Yeah the way pastimes did it in Chicago was so baffling....they were only given out as prizes in some events, with entry in other scheduled events, but not for the actual main event it was promoting. They also didn't give out the promo Batterskulls at registration, so that turned into another clusterfuck when they inevitably screwed up distributing those at the player meeting. The moral of this story is just give everyone a mat and a card when they sign up (and have preregistration people check in). They created way more problems than they were attempting to solve.
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Jun 30, 2014 20:02
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mcmagic posted:That might be worth putting together a burn deck for 100 bucks just to enter. It's literally 10 mins from my house. All lands and hang out all day.
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Jun 30, 2014 20:03
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mcmagic posted:That might be worth putting together a burn deck for 100 bucks just to enter. It's literally 10 mins from my house.
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Jun 30, 2014 20:10
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BaronVonVaderham posted:The moral of this story is just give everyone a mat and a card when they sign up (and have preregistration people check in). They created way more problems than they were attempting to solve. At GP Washington (run by TJ Collectibles this past Saturday), they handed out the Batterskulls during the player meeting and it was fine. I believe they gave you the Batterskull in exchange for your completed waiver form. In any case, it was a bit easier as it was a Sealed Deck GP and everyone was sitting in their seats for a while, but in any case, it can be done. Also, it was scheduled to start at 9:00 AM, and sure enough those seatings for the player meeting were up at 9. If they did check-ins for everyone, it likely would have taken longer. The whole thing went very smoothly and Day One was finished at a reasonable time in the evening. As another comparison, SCG gives out tokens and free Premium at their events, which are always Constructed, and they now give them out during the player meeting or the first round of Swiss. Yes, Opens are smaller than GP's, but I haven't had any problems getting my stuff from them, and the lack of check-ins for preregistered players seems to smooth out their whole process. I like it. So yeah, check-ins aren't necessary.
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Jun 30, 2014 20:12
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BaronVonVaderham posted:Yeah the way pastimes did it in Chicago was so baffling....they were only given out as prizes in some events, with entry in other scheduled events, but not for the actual main event it was promoting. I reddit (my shame) and someone posted from one of the event organizers. I'm not sure if it was pasttimes or whomever ran GP Minneapolis (I think it was the latter) anyway, they said basically SCG takes a loss on the GP entry to sell singles and TO's can't afford to do that. I understand that not all TO's are card shops, or move as much singles volume as SCG, so it may be true. It is a shame though. I have to think that playmats for all was one of the things that helped GP Richmond attendance. At the very least, they should offer a 10-20 "upgrade" to get a playmat for GP entry if you want one. I'll pay straight cash for a nice playmat, and if I can get a GP mat for say entry fee +10 I'd do it everytime.
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Jun 30, 2014 20:14
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Spiderdrake posted:Can't you just play in side events for it? I imagine SCG side events pay out well. Not at SCG. It was a mat for entry only at Richmond. Other TO's do it like that, for entering a side event or as a prize for them but SCG did not.
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Jun 30, 2014 20:16
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Spiderdrake posted:Can't you just play in side events for it? I imagine SCG side events pay out well. No, you need to enter the main event to get the mat from what I understand. (At least you did in Richmond)
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Jun 30, 2014 20:17
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drat I want that playmat. How much is required to actually get it? Just entry in the main event? If so, does anyone know the cost of entering?
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Jun 30, 2014 20:22
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BaronVonVaderham posted:Yeah the way pastimes did it in Chicago was so baffling....they were only given out as prizes in some events, with entry in other scheduled events, but not for the actual main event it was promoting. The last GP Chicago (the modern one at Navy Pier) playmat and promo were handed out at registration which was nice, but they also had probably twice as many people for the standard one.
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Jun 30, 2014 20:29
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Spiderdrake posted:In all seriousness it kinda weirds me how 'brainstorm' is a term that long predates magic but the other brainstorm arts are all like, some weird fantasy realization of brainSTORM with lightning coming out of their ears. I love the vintage masters brainstorm art, it's just so incredibly literal. 
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Jun 30, 2014 20:35
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rujasu posted:So yeah, check-ins aren't necessary. I meant they're only necessary in the context of giving poo poo out at the time of registration. If you hand things out at the time of signing up and offer prereg, those things conflict in an obvious way. I like the idea of trading the waiver for the promo. Pastimes' problem was they had zero coordination when it came to collecting things and handing out others. No announcement was made that this was how it was being done. My table was informed the promos were being handed out during round 1....which is a far better time than the player meeting since everyone is going to be settled in for a significant chunk of time. Let people with sleep-in specials pick theirs up at their leisure up front. The tables at the front got their cards and then sprinted to the pairing boards, so on the other side of the room as lists got collected (later), people assumed they just left after that. Cue half of the room mobbing the stage to get their promos, and the other half also mobbing the stage pretending they never got theirs to try to get a second one. Combined with software issues (a whole different  ), round 1 was REALLY delayed.You would also have had half the preregistration people checked in on Friday, as we were all there (with LOTS of time to kill because of lovely running of the side events...I'm talking on the order over 1hr+ between rounds). I'm not saying it can't be done smoothly, but that in trying to avoid one problem (having lines at the front stage for checking in), they created 19 other problems because of lovely execution (distribution clusterfuck, masses of people thinking they were clever farming the sealed events for mats, etc). The worst you can gently caress up the more straightforward option is to have things start late (which happened anyway), which can be mitigated by people checking in on Friday.
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Jun 30, 2014 20:36
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jassi007 posted:I reddit (my shame) and someone posted from one of the event organizers. I'm not sure if it was pasttimes or whomever ran GP Minneapolis (I think it was the latter) anyway, they said basically SCG takes a loss on the GP entry to sell singles and TO's can't afford to do that. There is no loving way that's true. 172,120 dollars where made in Entry Fees for GP Richmond. I have no idea what Wizards charges for the privilege of operating a GP but 172,000 dollars is an absurd amount, and that's just people playing, not the untold amount that pays for drafts and other events. Granted I've never worked on a team organizing anything bigger than a PTQ or a State Championship but event halls aren't that expensive.
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Jun 30, 2014 20:49
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netcat posted:I love the vintage masters brainstorm art, it's just so incredibly literal. My favorite literal card art: 
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Jun 30, 2014 20:53
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Stinky Pit posted:There is no loving way that's true. 172,120 dollars where made in Entry Fees for GP Richmond. I have no idea what Wizards charges for the privilege of operating a GP but 172,000 dollars is an absurd amount, and that's just people playing, not the untold amount that pays for drafts and other events. Renting the hall is not insignificant (5 digits), but I also find it hugely unlikely SCG takes a loss here.
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Jun 30, 2014 20:54
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Stinky Pit posted:There is no loving way that's true. 172,120 dollars where made in Entry Fees for GP Richmond. I have no idea what Wizards charges for the privilege of operating a GP but 172,000 dollars is an absurd amount, and that's just people playing, not the untold amount that pays for drafts and other events. If you factor in the sheer amount of product they give out as prizes over three to four days of side events, judge compensation, and all the related expenses of running a 2000+ person tournament, I don't think it's implausible that $172,120 dollars would run out pretty quickly.
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Nibble posted:My favorite literal card art: I love how old cards are terrible at valuing card advantage. 1 card = 1 life! 
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Jun 30, 2014 20:57
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Promoted Pawn posted:I love how old cards are terrible at valuing card advantage. 1 card = 1 life! Gonna build Mind Bomb Madness.dec in Legacy just to spite you.
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Jun 30, 2014 20:58
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Dumb question but does Waste Not only work for cards discarded from an opponent's hand, or also for cards milled from their library?
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Jun 30, 2014 21:00
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Discarding only happens from your hand; no milling shenanigans here, sorry.
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Jun 30, 2014 21:01
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Wurzag posted:Dumb question but does Waste Not only work for cards discarded from an opponent's hand, or also for cards milled from their library? Re-read Waste Not. (Discarding is only from hand) e; fb. 
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Jun 30, 2014 21:01
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What a Judas posted:Renting the hall is not insignificant (5 digits), but I also find it hugely unlikely SCG takes a loss here. Oh no the hall is very expensive, especially when you need the amount of additional amenities that an event like a GP requires, but like you said there is no way you take a loss. I've worked on 100-150 person events, and the event hall is always the most expensive part of the overhead, I'm sure its easily 5 figures for an event the size of a GP or some of the opens but there is just no way SCG takes a loss, I can't imagine that being real. Economies of Scale are a thing and if 2000 people are showing up to your event, all of expenses like Judges and Playmats are increasingly grow easier and easier and easier to manage. Any major organizer that's saying they can't afford to get enough playmats for an event with 30-40 dollar entry fees and 1000+ players is absolutely full of poo poo. PhyrexianLibrarian posted:If you factor in the sheer amount of product they give out as prizes over three to four days of side events, judge compensation, and all the related expenses of running a 2000+ person tournament, I don't think it's implausible that $172,120 dollars would run out pretty quickly. Yeah if you added up all that stuff it'd be more expensive which is why side events aren't free. Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Jun 30, 2014 |
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Jun 30, 2014 21:01
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Wurzag posted:Dumb question but does Waste Not only work for cards discarded from an opponent's hand, or also for cards milled from their library? 30% of every FMN is going to be janky discard decks after M15 comes out, aren't they.
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Jun 30, 2014 21:06
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Double checked with my lgs, and the pre-release event fee is $25. It's the same price at a store 5 minutes further away, but they require pre-registration, whilst the former just asks you show up a bit earlier the day of the event.
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Jun 30, 2014 21:07
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Wurzag posted:Dumb question but does Waste Not only work for cards discarded from an opponent's hand, or also for cards milled from their library? The former, cards milled aren't discarded.
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Jun 30, 2014 21:08
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Rinkles posted:Double checked with my lgs, and the pre-release event fee is $25. It's the same price at a store 5 minutes further away, but they require pre-registration, whilst the former just asks you show up a bit earlier the day of the event. Pre Releases can be a mad house from a TO perspective and if the cost is the same I would go to the one asking for Pre-regs. They will run a cleaner event, start on time, give out better prizes and generally are a better run shop if they are savvy enough to be doing pre-registration as opposed to just saying "oh well show up a little early" *cut to 30 players in line to pay 5 minutes after things were supposed to start*
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Jun 30, 2014 21:11
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On the topic of running tournaments, you should probably not discount the fact that basically everything I've heard from players based in their general area is that Pastimes are loving horrible at actually organising events. That might detract from their ability to make money.
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Jun 30, 2014 21:15
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mcmagic posted:30% of every FMN is going to be janky discard decks after M15 comes out, aren't they. It's either janky discard or janky mill, pick your poison.
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Jun 30, 2014 21:16
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Stinky Pit posted:Pre Releases can be a mad house from a TO perspective and if the cost is the same I would go to the one asking for Pre-regs. They will run a cleaner event, start on time, give out better prizes and generally are a better run shop if they are savvy enough to be doing pre-registration as opposed to just saying "oh well show up a little early" *cut to 30 players in line to pay 5 minutes after things were supposed to start* This isn't just a problem in Magic, it happens twice a day with the poker tournaments at the casino I work at. We'll open registration 4 hours before the start time, incentivize early registration with bonus chips, and everyone will still wait until 5 minutes before start to all crowd the cashier trying to buy in simultaneously.
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Jun 30, 2014 21:19
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Stinky Pit posted:Pre Releases can be a mad house from a TO perspective and if the cost is the same I would go to the one asking for Pre-regs. They will run a cleaner event, start on time, give out better prizes and generally are a better run shop if they are savvy enough to be doing pre-registration as opposed to just saying "oh well show up a little early" *cut to 30 players in line to pay 5 minutes after things were supposed to start* That's what I was thinking but the one closer by is probably the one I'll be frequenting more so I want to get to know the community. It's a very pleasant, clean little shop, and they've been around for years. They more specifically asked to come half an hour before the event. The other one actually just opened last year, but I've read it's also a cool place.
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Jun 30, 2014 21:20
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jassi007 posted:GP NJ playmat. Unf. Well I pretty much have to go to this. How do I legacy?
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Jun 30, 2014 21:47
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KidDynamite posted:Well I pretty much have to go to this. How do I legacy? Order a Burrito. toadee fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Jun 30, 2014 |
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Jun 30, 2014 21:49
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 Aether Spiral/Twister 3UU - Rare Instant For each attacking creature, its owner chooses to put it on the top or bottom of his or her deck. 37 seconds in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y-BHbugBfk
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Promoted Pawn posted:I love how old cards are terrible at valuing card advantage. 1 card = 1 life! I'd pay that. The idea is that it's a steep cost. If your opponent is burning you down to zero, you might just need your cards more than your life.
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