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Binowru
Feb 15, 2007

I never set out to be weird. It was always other people who called me weird.
423 is maybe my favorite live episode yet. Loved the new Stump Jonathan game or whatever you wanna call it with pogoists/bull riders/gay pornstars

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D O R K Y
Sep 1, 2001

My favorite bit in 423 is Johnathan's racist Tennesseean voice. "FAIR'S FAIR!"

UP AND ADAM
Jan 24, 2007

by Pragmatica

Binowru posted:

423 is maybe my favorite live episode yet. Loved the new Stump Jonathan game or whatever you wanna call it with pogoists/bull riders/gay pornstars

I think I agree. The sound quality is as good as a regular episode, the crowd is good, and Seth seems as comfortable as he is in the studio. Though I would have liked for them to have given that Ask Amy questioner even more poo poo, and unless I'm mistaken they didn't mention Amy's terribly misguided response.

Binowru
Feb 15, 2007

I never set out to be weird. It was always other people who called me weird.

UP AND ADAM posted:

I think I agree. The sound quality is as good as a regular episode, the crowd is good, and Seth seems as comfortable as he is in the studio. Though I would have liked for them to have given that Ask Amy questioner even more poo poo, and unless I'm mistaken they didn't mention Amy's terribly misguided response.

They only sometimes give Amy's response, but I did love Jonathan talking about them trying to get Amy to appear on the show, and then was like, "But I think we called her a bitch...?"

WoG
Jul 13, 2004

Binowru posted:

423 is maybe my favorite live episode yet.

There's no question that they're getting more and more comfortable in a live setting with each show. I'm not disappointed to see a live ep pop up in the feed any more.

im a girl btw
Jan 15, 2004

Dork457 posted:

My favorite bit in 423 is Johnathan's racist Tennesseean voice. "FAIR'S FAIR!"

"If you guys wanna smoke jazz cigarettes, we need our boys back"

Wild Hogs
May 6, 2008
I've always loved the live eps- the laughter of the crowd makes it a fun experience for me to listen to. It never hurts to get some Craigslist in the mix either

caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.

Binowru posted:

Loved the new Stump Jonathan game or whatever you wanna call it with pogoists/bull riders/gay pornstars
Totally wanted to yell at Jonathan about how he was over-thinking gay porn star names, which rarely, if ever are creative and/or pun-based.

It's pretty much Girth Brooks and that's it.

A Horse Named Mandy
Feb 9, 2007
Saw the SF show with girlfriend, who hadn't listened to anything beyond the craigshouse compilation. She found Seth funny, but just couldn't stand Jonathan. We were talking about it afterwards, and she described him as completely devoid of any understanding of the moral or political implications of his statements or actions. That show in particular, he casually threw out "human being" in SF on the eve of pride week, not to mention a couple n-bombs.

I admit sometimes I lose patience with Jah's shtick, but for the most part, I usually enjoy listening to the guy digging himself deeper, on a Karl Pilkington-like level, especially when Seth is there to give him poo poo and steer the conversation in the right direction. Still, she was saying how she only found him offensive, and I suddenly remembered the episode where he sexually assaulted a girl (ep. 70, 7:30). I went back to listen, and he outright admits to raping a classmate while high on weed and coke, almost as an aside to another story, and laughing the whole time. Seth even calls him out on it, keeping it light as he can. The closest Jah comes to acknowledging anything was wrong is when she didn't respond to him on myspace many years later.

So yeah, I have to agree with her: at some point the incorrigible doofus who yells at bank tellers and likes dogs more than people really stops being a clown and starts being a disgusting rear end in a top hat.

I'm torn about this because I love UYD, but had to stop midway through the last episode. I know a large part of the show is them talking about hosed-up poo poo that went down in the past, but while Seth's stories are mostly history and now he gets to go on the best rants about sobriety, Jonathan is unrepentant and still loving up (like the implied but not confirmed incident of drunk driving a couple months ago) and generally being a dick.

I'm mentioning this because I want to hear some other fans thoughts about this. Maybe it's all supposed to be an indulgent exploration of white male American culture, but in that case, be careful about listening to it with any sociology grad students with an emphasis on race and gender.

Jerry Seinfeld
Mar 30, 2009
We're trying to build things up here, Mandy, not tear them down.

Shadow Puppet Of
Feb 13, 2014

If I worked there I'd have freaked out long ago and smeared toner all over my naked body, flopping around to spell out "I TOLD YOU SO!" on the carpet until campus security could drag me away.
:xbone:
And he stole highly valuable pornography from migrant, homeless day laborers.

I fully accept Jah as a former awful person that would steal from many people, such as that well-meaning Native employee of his school, who is now grown up to be an awful person that has developed a measure of restraint, but only up until he loses it and is released to the whims of his incredibly self-centric mindset.

This inner awfulness is part of what melds him into Seth like a pb&j, inseparable and better together due to their polarity. Seth's former drug crazy years seem to have been edifying and calming while Jah would believe himself to have had a similar journey, but was in fact a totally opposite experience.

DannyTanner
Jan 9, 2010

For the past two weeks, the priest at church has brought up Ask Amy. I really need to tell him about Ask Jonathan.

Biodome
Nov 21, 2006

Gerry

A Horse Named Mandy posted:

Saw the SF show with girlfriend, who hadn't listened to anything beyond the craigshouse compilation. She found Seth funny, but just couldn't stand Jonathan. We were talking about it afterwards, and she described him as completely devoid of any understanding of the moral or political implications of his statements or actions. That show in particular, he casually threw out "human being" in SF on the eve of pride week, not to mention a couple n-bombs.

I admit sometimes I lose patience with Jah's shtick, but for the most part, I usually enjoy listening to the guy digging himself deeper, on a Karl Pilkington-like level, especially when Seth is there to give him poo poo and steer the conversation in the right direction. Still, she was saying how she only found him offensive, and I suddenly remembered the episode where he sexually assaulted a girl (ep. 70, 7:30). I went back to listen, and he outright admits to raping a classmate while high on weed and coke, almost as an aside to another story, and laughing the whole time. Seth even calls him out on it, keeping it light as he can. The closest Jah comes to acknowledging anything was wrong is when she didn't respond to him on myspace many years later.

So yeah, I have to agree with her: at some point the incorrigible doofus who yells at bank tellers and likes dogs more than people really stops being a clown and starts being a disgusting rear end in a top hat.

I'm torn about this because I love UYD, but had to stop midway through the last episode. I know a large part of the show is them talking about hosed-up poo poo that went down in the past, but while Seth's stories are mostly history and now he gets to go on the best rants about sobriety, Jonathan is unrepentant and still loving up (like the implied but not confirmed incident of drunk driving a couple months ago) and generally being a dick.

I'm mentioning this because I want to hear some other fans thoughts about this. Maybe it's all supposed to be an indulgent exploration of white male American culture, but in that case, be careful about listening to it with any sociology grad students with an emphasis on race and gender.

Don't let her listen to the early episodes where Seth calls people fruit's.

KICK BAMA KICK
Mar 2, 2009

Can we skip the next half-page and go straight to the part where we all say "Hey thread, are you cool?"

roach cum puddle
Jun 22, 2013

by Ralp

A Horse Named Mandy posted:

at some point the incorrigible doofus who yells at bank tellers and likes dogs more than people really stops being a clown and starts being a disgusting rear end in a top hat.

Well, that IS where poop comes from. (edit: it doesn't matter)

Nonetheless I'm interested in hearing the SF show now.

roach cum puddle fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Jul 1, 2014

Crescendo
Apr 24, 2005

Strafe those atheistic degenerates. Color them green with lots of holes.

A Horse Named Mandy posted:

Saw the SF show with girlfriend, who hadn't listened to anything beyond the craigshouse compilation. She found Seth funny, but just couldn't stand Jonathan. We were talking about it afterwards, and she described him as completely devoid of any understanding of the moral or political implications of his statements or actions. That show in particular, he casually threw out "human being" in SF on the eve of pride week, not to mention a couple n-bombs.

I admit sometimes I lose patience with Jah's shtick, but for the most part, I usually enjoy listening to the guy digging himself deeper, on a Karl Pilkington-like level, especially when Seth is there to give him poo poo and steer the conversation in the right direction. Still, she was saying how she only found him offensive, and I suddenly remembered the episode where he sexually assaulted a girl (ep. 70, 7:30). I went back to listen, and he outright admits to raping a classmate while high on weed and coke, almost as an aside to another story, and laughing the whole time. Seth even calls him out on it, keeping it light as he can. The closest Jah comes to acknowledging anything was wrong is when she didn't respond to him on myspace many years later.

So yeah, I have to agree with her: at some point the incorrigible doofus who yells at bank tellers and likes dogs more than people really stops being a clown and starts being a disgusting rear end in a top hat.

I'm torn about this because I love UYD, but had to stop midway through the last episode. I know a large part of the show is them talking about hosed-up poo poo that went down in the past, but while Seth's stories are mostly history and now he gets to go on the best rants about sobriety, Jonathan is unrepentant and still loving up (like the implied but not confirmed incident of drunk driving a couple months ago) and generally being a dick.

I'm mentioning this because I want to hear some other fans thoughts about this. Maybe it's all supposed to be an indulgent exploration of white male American culture, but in that case, be careful about listening to it with any sociology grad students with an emphasis on race and gender.

I think it's fair to say that there is enough evidence to show he's kind of a bad person. Or, to be charitable to him, he's a person who has done, and still does, some bad things. Things that just aren't defensible in my opinion.

I suspect he thinks that fundamentally he's a 'good guy' with progressive values. He probably is, mostly. No one's perfect! However, my feeling is that if he was seriously challenged about some of his more problematic behaviours he would become quite defensive and self-righteous about it. I think it's because, in Jonathon's mind, his concept of self is incompatible with "slur", "sexism", "bully" or "rape". He's a 'good guy', and a good guy would never and can never be associated with that stuff. Anyway, that's my two cents worth of bullshit armchair psychology.

Jah's OK, I still find him funny and I still listen to the show and enjoy it, but I don't condone some of the things he (and Seth) says and does, to the point where I'm careful about who I recommend the show to in real life, and whenever I do I always provide a caveat, i.e. "This show is funny, I think you'll like it and really get what they're going for, but sometimes the hosts..." etc.

Maybe people will dismiss this as 'political correctness gone mad' or 'SJW trigger warning BS', but I think that would be a pretty uncharitable and white-washed interpretation.

EDIT: VVVVVVV

KICK BAMA KICK posted:

Can we skip the next half-page and go straight to the part where we all say "Hey thread, are you cool?"

I do understand your sentiment, but it's a little disappointing too.

I mean yeah, of course, not everything has to be constantly dissected through the social justice rubric to the nth degree, and we don't all need to lay about practicing self-flagellation because we're all horrible people. But we shouldn't pretend it doesn't exist either. It's not wrong to talk seriously in a circlejerk thread every once and awhile.

C'mon, man. I agree, we all like to switch off and enjoy the funny sometimes, but we're all earnest here aren't we? I dislike SJW-gone-mad beaviour too, but I don't think this is it.

Crescendo fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Jul 1, 2014

Beaucoup Cuckoo
Apr 10, 2008

Uncle Seymour wants you to eat your beans.
Jah had a really squeamish look on his face when Seth made the joke about how there should be more school shootings at DJ colleges. It was interesting to see live how they riff too hard for each other at times. I'd always wondered what it would look like when one takes it further than the other wanted to go with it.

roach cum puddle
Jun 22, 2013

by Ralp

KICK BAMA KICK posted:

Can we skip the next half-page and go straight to the part where we all say "Hey thread, are you cool?"

This can be taken two ways, what do you mean by it?

Haverchuck
May 6, 2005

the coolest

Beaucoup Cuckoo posted:

Jah had a really squeamish look on his face when Seth made the joke about how there should be more school shootings at DJ colleges. It was interesting to see live how they riff too hard for each other at times. I'd always wondered what it would look like when one takes it further than the other wanted to go with it.

thats not the first time seth has made a school shooting joke to jonathan's objections either. He's a little sensitive about that and animal abuse

Haverchuck fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Jul 1, 2014

Combaticus
Jan 14, 2008

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Hey Jonathan comes off as an rear end in a top hat from time to time, and there's enough evidence to prove, that he may be one. But that whole drunk driving thing was based on him saying he went to McDonald's one night, and people just assumed he drove right? Do we really need to grasp at straws like that?
How come Seth isn't getting any flack? There's been stories on the show where his drunk driving has been brought up, like the time he parked on a high curb and slept under the car.
Now that probably happened way back in the late 90's or early 00's, but at least that's not based on "Well it was at night, and it seems like something Jah would do … "

CortezFantastic
Aug 10, 2003

I SEE DEMONS
it's a comedy podcast

bango skank
Jan 15, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Crescendo posted:

I do understand your sentiment, but it's a little disappointing too.

I mean yeah, of course, not everything has to be constantly dissected through the social justice rubric to the nth degree, and we don't all need to lay about practicing self-flagellation because we're all horrible people. But we shouldn't pretend it doesn't exist either. It's not wrong to talk seriously in a circlejerk thread every once and awhile.

C'mon, man. I agree, we all like to switch off and enjoy the funny sometimes, but we're all earnest here aren't we? I dislike SJW-gone-mad beaviour too, but I don't think this is it.
The reason no one wants to have this discussion is because it's never been to the benefit of the thread it takes place in.

Haverchuck
May 6, 2005

the coolest

_jink
Jan 14, 2006

have you guys heard that audio blog 'Downright Talkin', with Schneere and Laterne? Mad funny, but my gitrlfriend thinks one of the hosts is a jerk\ is she right? Posts comments and let me know what you think!

roach cum puddle
Jun 22, 2013

by Ralp
Ya'll motherfuckers HATE having thoughts about things that give you enjoyment.

e: talking mostly to the idea of "it's a comedy podcast shut up about your opinions about the people that give you entertainformation JUST TAKE IT!!!"

Shadow Puppet Of
Feb 13, 2014

If I worked there I'd have freaked out long ago and smeared toner all over my naked body, flopping around to spell out "I TOLD YOU SO!" on the carpet until campus security could drag me away.
:xbone:
Its just a goon thing to get very upset if people speculate about podcasters' lives. See, the entirety of the Giant Bomb RGD thread.

CortezFantastic
Aug 10, 2003

I SEE DEMONS
No it's just dumb thoughts and theories about people and their lives when they are offering a comedy podcast. You can go back and read the countless garbage posts about goons just assuming Jah drives drunk (because the thought of living somewhere where it is easy to walk to said establishment never crossed their minds) and now apparently rapes women and other bullshit I really don't give a gently caress ahhhhhhhhikeeptypingahhhhhhhhhhh

Jeff Wiiver
Jul 13, 2007
So there are one or two things Jonathan has said that you don't like over the course of 400+ hours of recorded material and that makes him an rear end in a top hat? These guys have given us an immense amount of insight into their lives but don't act like you know them just because you listen to their podcast.

Power of Pecota
Aug 4, 2007

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!

Haverchuck posted:

thats not the first time seth has made a school shooting joke to jonathan's objections either. He's a little sensitive about that and animal abuse

Seth's riff about school shooters hacking into Boob E. Trapp and putting a leather jacket on him or however it went is one of my favorite recent UYD riffs.

A Horse Named Mandy
Feb 9, 2007

Crescendo posted:

I think it's fair to say that there is enough evidence to show he's kind of a bad person. Or, to be charitable to him, he's a person who has done, and still does, some bad things. Things that just aren't defensible in my opinion.

Indefensible; that's the word I was grasping at. When she asked why I just paid $60 dollars for the two of us to listen to a rapist, I found it pretty hard to justify on the spot.

Honestly, I knew it would be a derail to bring it up, but I didn't want an argument; I brought this to the thread because I want to keep listening, and just needed some outside perspective. I'd hate to think I have to turn it off or fast forward whenever Jah starts saying poo poo I disagree with, because half the time his rants are great.

I love referencing the time he went to traffic court and was surrounded by degenerates. Then he mentions how Seth would never end up there because he's borderline-OCD levels of paranoid, and how in Jah's opinion, life has gotten so complicated these days that that's the bare minimum amount of effort required not gently caress something up. So your only options in modern life are to be constantly stumbling, or drive yourself crazy trying to stay on top of it all. That's a savant like insight that could only come from somebody so used to dropping the ball talking with, well, whatever amazing personality Seth is.

And I think that speaks to the strength of the duo and the podcast as a whole; they are such a contrasted pairing that works so amazingly well together. Seeing them live was uncanny because the chemistry is so clear, listening to the recordings feels exactly like being right there in the room with them. Some of you hit the nail on the head; it isn't about either individual, who've both admitted to past discretions, but this huge thing they've built together, started because they wanted to be better people.

Also, Cortez, if you don't care if a comedian rapes women, gently caress off and watch the Cosby Show. Later, fruits! *peels out*

bigperm
Jul 10, 2001
some obscure reference
Making all robot voices mimic Seth's impersonation of robot voices should be humanity's next great endeavor.

EDIT: I went back and listened to the alleged rape story. It has as much merit as the drunk driving allegations. Calling Jah a rapist for that story is a bit of reach, I think.

bigperm fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Jul 2, 2014

Biodome
Nov 21, 2006

Gerry

A Horse Named Mandy posted:

Indefensible; that's the word I was grasping at. When she asked why I just paid $60 dollars for the two of us to listen to a rapist, I found it pretty hard to justify on the spot.

lol.

Beeez
May 28, 2012

bigperm posted:

Making all robot voices mimic Seth's impersonation of robot voices should be humanity's next great endeavor.

EDIT: I went back and listened to the alleged rape story. It has as much merit as the drunk driving allegations. Calling Jah a rapist for that story is a bit of reach, I think.

I don't remember this, what was the story?

mcvey
Aug 31, 2006

go caps haha

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manyak
Jan 26, 2006

A Horse Named Mandy posted:

Indefensible; that's the word I was grasping at. When she asked why I just paid $60 dollars for the two of us to listen to a rapist, I found it pretty hard to justify on the spot.


lmao

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.
itt people who can't enjoy and critique something simultaneously


sometimes the stuff you love needs to be critiqued and that's okay hth

clopping and cumming
Jun 24, 2005

roach cum puddle posted:

Sounds like an awesome weekend, don't feel creepy.
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I was gonna go to the Chicago show but the person I was going with had to back out for family reasons and I don't want to go alone. I'm looking for someone to paypal money to for merchandise, so if you're up for the task then PM me. I'll tip you.

Don't have pm. But my email is craallred at gmail.com

They will probably have the same merch as they did at the SF show which is all online. Let me know what you want, I'll pick it up and we can figure out paypal when I get back home that next Monday.

CortezFantastic
Aug 10, 2003

I SEE DEMONS

A Horse Named Mandy posted:

Indefensible; that's the word I was grasping at. When she asked why I just paid $60 dollars for the two of us to listen to a rapist, I found it pretty hard to justify on the spot.

Honestly, I knew it would be a derail to bring it up, but I didn't want an argument; I brought this to the thread because I want to keep listening, and just needed some outside perspective. I'd hate to think I have to turn it off or fast forward whenever Jah starts saying poo poo I disagree with, because half the time his rants are great.

I love referencing the time he went to traffic court and was surrounded by degenerates. Then he mentions how Seth would never end up there because he's borderline-OCD levels of paranoid, and how in Jah's opinion, life has gotten so complicated these days that that's the bare minimum amount of effort required not gently caress something up. So your only options in modern life are to be constantly stumbling, or drive yourself crazy trying to stay on top of it all. That's a savant like insight that could only come from somebody so used to dropping the ball talking with, well, whatever amazing personality Seth is.

And I think that speaks to the strength of the duo and the podcast as a whole; they are such a contrasted pairing that works so amazingly well together. Seeing them live was uncanny because the chemistry is so clear, listening to the recordings feels exactly like being right there in the room with them. Some of you hit the nail on the head; it isn't about either individual, who've both admitted to past discretions, but this huge thing they've built together, started because they wanted to be better people.

Also, Cortez, if you don't care if a comedian rapes women, gently caress off and watch the Cosby Show. Later, fruits! *peels out*

lol I was too busy laughing at the first sentence to see this dude trying a really weird troll out after he realized how loving insane he sounds

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
Jah's kinda a dumb dick but talking about how he has some huge moral failing is insane, he's just kinda dumb. You know how we all like to laugh at him when he says something dumb usually? That's what happens when a dude who's kinda dumb says dumb things, sometimes he says something dumb and a little offensive.

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manyak
Jan 26, 2006
someone link to the part where Jah rapes someone and admits to it. I want to know why UYD is problematic and i have to stop enjoying it

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