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That's not really fair though given that Tilda Swinton is arguably better than anything on TV. Like both herself and Stormare try to salvage the film from being a complete generic mess. Without the Constantine/Hellblazer branding it'd be a completely forgettable film.
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Oh I really liked the Constantine film, but this was before I had any notion or conception of the Hellblazer comic. Even today I kind of enjoy it as a sort of alternate reality Constantine. Certainly it was a better adaptation than some other comic book characters have gone through.
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The thing that the Constantine film got most wrong for me was that at no point did I really believe that Keanu Constantine was an rear end in a top hat which I'd argue is far more important to the character than smoking. The TV show seems to walking a fine line but I think it's at least started to put out that he's a selfish prick.
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Waterhaul posted:The thing that the Constantine film got most wrong for me was that at no point did I really believe that Keanu Constantine was an rear end in a top hat which I'd argue is far more important to the character than smoking. The TV show seems to walking a fine line but I think it's at least started to put out that he's a selfish prick. I hate to say it but I actually believe the opposite. I totally bought that Keanu's Constantine was a jaded and selfish prick, but in the show I thought Constantine was close to giving Companion whatsherface a glass of warm milk and a hug. Then again it might have just been a pacing issue, which the Pilot had a lot of, but it didn't really sink in that he was just manipulating her into being his demon-finding lackey the entire time. Still, the pilot did have Constantine blackmailing a traumatized friend. Not with great blackmail, mind you, but it's a classic Constantine trope and Constantine willing to let innocents die to serve his bigger aims. mind the walrus fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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Pacing issues definitely effect the pilot a lot. I really didn't like how it had Constantine falling for something as dumb as "demon pretends to be a kid to free themselves" but the final scene twist of it being just a long con by Constantine to trick Liv into thinking she saved the day felt appropriately in character. Keanu just felt a bit too clean cut for me. Again though it felt like a very messy pilot. A lot more like a proof of concept than an actual pilot.
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The first commercial for Batman '66 has been released, and it will contain all 120 episodes. Hopefully the set won't be too cost prohibitive. http://www.superherohype.com/news/306887-comic-con-first-promo-for-batman-the-complete-television-series
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sleepingbuddha posted:The first commercial for Batman '66 has been released, and it will contain all 120 episodes. Hopefully the set won't be too cost prohibitive. I really hope that's not indicative of actual quality of the scans. I'm not even a nerd about this stuff, but those blacks looked really crushed and the whole thing looked a bit muddy.
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I am now doing a celebratory Batusi. This is awesome! Did they have to cut any of the music and/or celebrity cameos to get those in a commercial package?
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dreffen posted:I didn't have a whole lot of trouble forgetting that that it was trying to adapt a comic book! I did forget that Shia Lebouf was in it though. Tilda Swinton and Peter Stormare were inspired casting.
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muscles like this? posted:More Arrow casting, Devon Aoki is going to be Katana. Does anyone actually like this character? Honest question, I have no drat idea why DC decides to trot them out once a decade or so.
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I liked her appearance in one episode of The Brave and The Bold. Then they decided to make her more of an honorable asian stereotype the next time she showed up and I went back to not caring about her.
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404GoonNotFound posted:Does anyone actually like this character? She's one of the original Outsiders from the late 70s/early 80s right? That probably makes her one of the rare minority superheroes at DC whose rights are probably owned lock, stock, and barrel by DC. That probably has a lot to do with it. Plus she's super straight-forward as a racial cliche and her powers are super cheap to portray. Still, she is one of those characters that has just never connected over the years--even with the hardcore comic audience.
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Man, if they need a Japanese hero, they should just bring in Most Excellent Superbat. Perfect counterpart of Green Arrow.
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They also probably chose her because she's a cheap character to do on a TV show.
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Waterhaul posted:Keanu just felt a bit too clean cut for me. It's the clean-shaven-ness and the mostly immaculate suit. Keanu had a face like a knife back then as well. He just looks really young and spotless. Aside from that, it's a really, really good film, though.
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And she has one of those Japanese swords, right? Teens like those.
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She's also a good choice because in the new 52 Universe, Green Arrow is part of a super secret clan of weapon based martial artists. (The Arrow clan, surprisingly enough.) Katana is also a member of this, the Sword Clan. So at least now in the new 52, they have a connection as being the DC version of Ironfist and the Eight Immortal Weapons. So it's makes some sense why they'd bring her in. Anyway, a few weeks ago they had Mark Gugenheim do an interview where he said there was one DC character they wanted to use but were told they couldn't but were given a different DC character instead. I said this in the TVIV thread and the concessions is every time a DC character shows up everyone will speculate as to who it was supposed to be. On that note, I predict that Katana was originally supposed to be Richard Dragon.
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Obviously they requested Robin and got Katana instead. Wait. That's awful. Why would any show do that?!
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404GoonNotFound posted:Does anyone actually like this character? I am a sucker for the Outsiders, so yes. But int his case, I guess we see so many Martial Arts heroes and villains because they are just a whole lot cheaper to put on screen.
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Dan Didio posted:It's the clean-shaven-ness and the mostly immaculate suit. Keanu had a face like a knife back then as well. He just looks really young and spotless. Aside from that, it's a really, really good film, though. Look at the goddamn Constantine pilot and you can say the exact same thing. Plus you forget that when Constantine initially showed up in Swamp Thing he was clean-shaven and wearing immaculate suits. It wasn't until Hellblazer was well underway that the whole "gutterpunk" look for Constantine became the norm.
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mind the walrus posted:Look at the goddamn Constantine pilot and you can say the exact same thing. Plus you forget that when Constantine initially showed up in Swamp Thing he was clean-shaven and wearing immaculate suits. It wasn't until Hellblazer was well underway that the whole "gutterpunk" look for Constantine became the norm. Guess which comic incarnation of the character is considered the most popular, most consistent and well known, friend. Hence why Waterhaul would feel that the movie's presentation of Constantine would feel at odds with the character, buddy!
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Dan Didio posted:Guess which comic incarnation of the character is considered the most popular, most consistent and well known, friend. Hence why Waterhaul would feel that the movie's presentation of Constantine would feel at odds with the character, buddy! Neither, cause no one even knows the movie was based on a comic.
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Dan Didio posted:Guess which comic incarnation of the character is considered the most popular, most consistent and well known, friend. Hence why Waterhaul would feel that the movie's presentation of Constantine would feel at odds with the character, buddy! Don't patronize me here, especially because again you can point the whole "HE LOOKS TOO CLEAN  " argument right back at the pilot that just leaked.
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mind the walrus posted:Don't patronize me here, especially because again you can point the whole "HE LOOKS TOO CLEAN What are you talking about, bro? I haven't even seen the pilot, chum. I was only responding to Waterhaul's one, very specific comment about Keanu Reeves' portrayal, mate. greatn posted:Neither, cause no one even knows the movie was based on a comic. Again, talking to a guy who moderates a comic book forum about why a movie's portrayal of a character he's seen in the comics doesn't sit right with him, on the comic book forum. Context. Uh, comrade.
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Dan Didio posted:What are you talking about, bro? I haven't even seen the pilot, chum. I was only responding to Waterhaul's one, very specific comment about Keanu Reeves' portrayal, mate. And I'm saying that the whole "Constantine needs to be dirty" argument is a stupid one based more in fan arcana about what is most iconic rather than what's most integral to the character based on the fact that we have a much more book-accurate Constantine in the pilot with clean suits and many of his most classic stories feature him in clean suits. Keanu didn't fit Constantine's character at all, but that's more because Keanu can't pull off the lazy British charm Constantine is so well-known for, not because he didn't have enough alley grease smeared on his shirt.
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You're very welcome sport.
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So I finally caught up on AoS. Is it wrong I was hoping season two would be a buddy cop comedy of Fury and Coulson fighting crime while snakring the entire time.
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Just to clarify a little about Katana (since I haven't seen it mentioned), she will show on the flashbacks as Ollie's mentor/liason on Hong Kong and probably will be the same deal as Slade and won't be Katana until late in the season or maybe the next one.
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I like the Outsiders but Katana was the dullest. She is cheap to create on a TV budget though.
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Has Katana ever had a sidekick named Wakizashi? If not, what are comic writers even doing?
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I have a fondness for Katana thanks to the Outsiders run, which was all kinds of 80's awesomeness. As people have said above, she is a good fit for the show thanks to her interaction with GA in the comics, so nothing too controversial there. As for the DC not allowing some characters and allowing others, wasn't Green Lantern on Smallville supposed to be a Bruce Wayne/Batman stand in?
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Madkal posted:I have a fondness for Katana thanks to the Outsiders run, which was all kinds of 80's awesomeness. Well, Green Arrow was. Sort of.
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toomanyninjas posted:Well, Green Arrow was. Sort of. oops. I mean Green Arrow.
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Also the Adam Knight character who was a mysterious and broody rich kid from out of town who ended up having some random rear end story line when I guess it was clear whatever they had planned was vetoed. Wouldn't be surprised if some of the GA stuff later one was salvaged from that.
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Dan Didio posted:Guess which comic incarnation of the character is considered the most popular, most consistent and well known, friend. Hence why Waterhaul would feel that the movie's presentation of Constantine would feel at odds with the character, buddy!   Mimir posted:Has Katana ever had a sidekick named Wakizashi? If not, what are comic writers even doing? Well except for what the other Ninja Turtles use, but those are actually Okinawan weapons.
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