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Qublai Qhan posted:What were you talking about? That seems oddly specific as well as being too anachronistic to be coming out of left field. It started with someone mentioning that Obama was voted the worst president since WW2 and kind of went from there, with my coworkers bemoaning the existence of BET, HBCUs, black history month and affirmative action as examples of how black people are racist against white people and me going, "wait what the gently caress, all the other channels on TV are white entertainment, hbcu's exist because black people weren't allowed to attend white colleges" etc.
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corn in the bible posted:So I guess if you used Tor or ever looked at their website you're now considered an extremist by the NSA. That's nice. Is there a new report saying this, or are you stating the obvious?
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Jul 3, 2014 19:11
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:Is there a new report saying this, or are you stating the obvious? There is a new report saying this. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140703/02494927769/nsas-xkeyscore-source-code-leaked-shows-tor-users-classified-as-extremists.shtml
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Jul 3, 2014 19:15
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rscott posted:I was ranting about politics at work yesterday (bad idea) and one of my coworkers was like, "If I didn't know what you looked like and just heard what you were saying, I would have thought you were some kind of black liberal, like a black panther or something" My friend overheard two coworkers talking about him: "There's a bunch of black thugs out in the parking lot, better go lock your doors." "Better not let [friend] hear that, he's a Marxist."
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Jul 3, 2014 19:17
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I got called a fascist the other day in a Hobby Lobby argument because I asked him why the 'voluntary agreement' between an employee and employer is different than the structurally similar one between the government and employer. I told him his answers of 'just because' and 'government force' wasn't an adequate enough answer. I think he's just mad that I've started calling him out on his bullshit.
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Jul 3, 2014 19:22
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Prosopagnosiac posted:So I think we all remember Brian Boyko and Dr Lessig's Mayday PAC and their laughable goal of raising 5 million by July 4th to get money out of politics. Well today the good professor did an AMA on Reddit with one Jack Abramoff. I love how every post about this poo poo goes beyond parody.
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Jul 3, 2014 19:24
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:There is a proposal for a hypersonic spy drone called the SR-72, but the Air Force appears to prefer a cheaper proposal with lower speed and better endurance. Wiki posted:The SR-72 is envisioned with an air-breathing hypersonic propulsion system that has the ability to accelerate from standstill to Mach 6.0 using the same engine, making it about twice as fast as the SR-71. Wiki posted:twice as fast as the SR-71.  's
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Jul 3, 2014 19:26
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quote:Why hasn't Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert or John Oliver supported Mayday pac on their show? Gee I dunno, you tell me, redditor...
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Jul 3, 2014 19:27
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XyloJW posted:My friend overheard two coworkers talking about him: "There's a bunch of black thugs out in the parking lot, better go lock your doors." "Better not let [friend] hear that, he's a Marxist." I'm legit afraid I'd get fired if I told anyone I worked with that I was a marxist
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Jul 3, 2014 19:29
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Wow Yeah. I don't know if this makes me a coward but I feel like your collective experiences with coworkers are a great illustration of why I don't talk about politics at work ever.
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Jul 3, 2014 19:32
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Gee I dunno, you tell me, redditor... To be fair I don't see much different here than the normal stupid wishy washy stuff like 'the rally to restore sanity' where 'stop blaming minorities for everything wrong with the world' and 'maybe don't call racists racists because it hurts their feelings' were put on the exact same level of importance to 'restore sanity'.
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Jul 3, 2014 19:32
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rscott posted:I'm legit afraid I'd get fired if I told anyone I worked with that I was a marxist The funny thing is I don't think he's a Marxist, and I know he doesn't discuss politics at work, but he's not shy about calling people racist when they're being racist, so it's hilarious that they equate that to mean "Well, he must be a Marxist."
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Jul 3, 2014 19:38
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XyloJW posted:The funny thing is I don't think he's a Marxist, and I know he doesn't discuss politics at work, but he's not shy about calling people racist when they're being racist, so it's hilarious that they equate that to mean "Well, he must be a Marxist." I guess in their minds they conflate it with "only a bleeding heard liberal would call what I KNOW to be common sense racist, and all liberals are Marxists/socialists/commies, therefore this guy's a Marxist"? Tatum Girlparts posted:To be fair I don't see much different here than the normal stupid wishy washy stuff like 'the rally to restore sanity' where 'stop blaming minorities for everything wrong with the world' and 'maybe don't call racists racists because it hurts their feelings' were put on the exact same level of importance to 'restore sanity'. Eh, Stewart's rally wasn't so naked a money-laundering scheme, was it?
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Jul 3, 2014 19:40
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rscott posted:I was ranting about politics at work yesterday (bad idea) and one of my coworkers was like, "If I didn't know what you looked like and just heard what you were saying, I would have thought you were some kind of black liberal, like a black panther or something" Cool
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Jul 3, 2014 19:41
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My coworkers, by and large, are bitcoiner libertarian types, and it was a huge relief to me when I overheard some of them laughing about how stupid climate-change denialists are 
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Jul 3, 2014 19:44
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Eh, Stewart's rally wasn't so naked a money-laundering scheme, was it? Fair point.
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Jul 3, 2014 19:44
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:There's a super-high-speed spyplane nicknamed Aurora that seems to be in development or active use. No official status, but there are photos of contrails characteristic of a hypersonic engine, recorded sonic booms that seem to come from a high-altitude plane at Mach 4, and some fuzzy photos and videos. Come to think of it, UFOs were a great cover story for the U2 program as well.
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Jul 3, 2014 19:45
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corn in the bible posted:There is a new report saying this. Had a friend on AIM freaking out about this. He also sent me this link. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/07/nsa_targets_pri.html
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Jul 3, 2014 20:14
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I dunno, coworkers who appear to harbour no opinion on anything are pretty scary, too.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:16
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ufarn posted:I dunno, coworkers who appear to harbour no opinion on anything are pretty scary, too. The nail that sticks up gets pounded down.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:17
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Had a friend on AIM freaking out about this. He also sent me this link. I always knew that Linux users were enemies of the state.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:19
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XyloJW posted:My friend overheard two coworkers talking about him: "There's a bunch of black thugs out in the parking lot, better go lock your doors." "Better not let [friend] hear that, he's a Marxist." The most vocal proponent of team Being Progressive Stops When I Actually Have To Do Something was (and still is obviously) a close friend who still self-identifies as left wing despite her opinions tumbling towards the right ever since she attended a fancy business school. Anyway, ever since then, she routinely uses the word 'neger' in conversation and then throws a meaningful look at me hoping for a response. It's real petty and annoying. It's the burden of having The Right Political Opinions. Also your friend's co-worker is really stretching to be racist, because why wouldn't your doors be locked anyway?
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Jul 3, 2014 20:20
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Well, it's safe to leave your doors unlocked when there are white people walking around the parking lot, but black people, shiiiit. Plus, I think you at least vaguely know where I live, so it should just be a safe assumption that everyone's racist.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:29
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XyloJW posted:Plus, I think you at least vaguely know where I live, so it should just be a safe assumption that everyone's racist.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:32
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During senior year in high school, I tried to explain the concept of institutional racism and white privilege to a classmate, and he immediately retorted "well black people are racist because they benefit from Affirmative Action!" Probably didn't help that since the student body was filthy rich (and just about all of us were incredibly sheltered) I didn't have much of a grasp on the concept myself.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:34
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R. Mute posted:Ah yes, America. Don't you live next door to a country that still thinks blackface is okay?
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Jul 3, 2014 20:39
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Had a friend on AIM freaking out about this. He also sent me this link. Oh hey, Schneier. Not kept up with his output since I finished my degree, which is a shame because as far as I can tell he really knows his poo poo.
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Chantilly Say posted:Don't you live next door to a country that still thinks blackface is okay?
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Jul 3, 2014 20:43
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R. Mute posted:Yes and also in a country where it's much less controversial than in said neighbouring country. In the sense that anyone doing it would be mocked and called a racist, or in the sense that the 'debate' hasn't gotten a lot of traction there and the blackface is accepted?
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Americans would be horrified if they could read the way Europe (including the 'centre-left') has been talking about race for some time now. Belgium is even worse than the rest of Western Europe. Many local media figures and politicians mocked the 'typical Dutch political correctness' or got downright angry at black people who protested the use of blackface. At least in the Netherlands there was some restraint and some celebrities publicly supported changing the custom. In Belgium I haven't really heard of a single public figure who has had the balls. Antwan3K fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Jul 3, 2014 |
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Tatum Girlparts posted:In the sense that anyone doing it would be mocked and called a racist, or in the sense that the 'debate' hasn't gotten a lot of traction there and the blackface is accepted?
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R. Mute posted:The latter. They should have to watch this movie: http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0215545/ before they form an opinion about it. I know there's a difference in the cultures between our respective countries, but seriously that poo poo is offensive on whole different level. I'm curious what sort of legitimate cultural purpose they think Blackface fills there? In your experience how is it used? Is it anything like American Minstrel shows?
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corn in the bible posted:There is a new report saying this. HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Had a friend on AIM freaking out about this. He also sent me this link. The two reports linked contradict themselves in their rush to overstate the NSA's claims and actions. The supposedly horrifying comments in the leaked code are saying that they're monitoring the sites in question because Tor is used by extremists, not that everyone who uses it is an extremist: leaked code comment posted:These variables define terms and websites relating to the TAILs (The Amnesic Incognito Live System) software program, a comsec mechanism advocated by extremists on extremist forums. They're presumably tracking people going to the sites associated with these tools because they can compare that sample of users with the sample of users who use the app and other groups to cross-identify them with whomever their target population is. Like a lot of the NSA leaks, it's not novel, incriminating or interesting beyond the breathless, Rall-style coverage. On the bright side, the comments left under the articles by paranoid schizophrenics are fun.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:In the sense that anyone doing it would be mocked and called a racist, or in the sense that the 'debate' hasn't gotten a lot of traction there and the blackface is accepted? You've not seen the yearly Zwarte Piet threads I take it?
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Rumor on the twitters is that this is from a new leaker. Big, if true.
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corn in the bible posted:So I guess if you used Tor or ever looked at their website you're now considered an extremist by the NSA. That's nice. It's okay, we're all extremists here.
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Prosopagnosiac posted:They should have to watch this movie: http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0215545/ before they form an opinion about it. It's not entirely clear where Zwarte Piet originates. According to some sources, he was a Moorish slave that Sinterklaas picked up in Spain. According to other sources, earlier versions of the story had a demon or the devil as Sinterklaas' helper/slave. It seems likely that the earlier versions had a demon but that this was changed to a caricature of a black man in 1850. The role has become less blatantly offensive throughout the years - going from an idiot who barely speaks Dutch to more of a trickster role as of recent. The look of the character hasn't really changed, though, despite an effort during the seventies to reframe Zwarte Piet as only being black from climbing down chimneys to deliver gifts. (ignoring the big red lips and the frizzy black hair) It's obviously racist as hell, especially considering the history of both the Netherlands and Belgium, but it's seen as tradition and people get up in arms about it real easy. It doesn't help that it's an incredibly widespread tradition, so unless you grew up in a region where Sint Maarten is preferred (he's like Sinterklaas but different), chances are you dressed up as Zwarte Piet at some point. Hell, I dressed up as him back during primary and secondary school, before I knew any better. Literally everyone I know used to watch the hugely popular show Dag Sinterklaas (which, admittedly, did own) which had a white actor in blackface. (I'll add that it was partially responsible for pushing a more positive portrayal of Zwarte Piet). That involvement makes it harder for most people to accept how hosed up the practice is. Add to that the fact that it's not meant to be malicious or racist in any way and it's hard for people to accept that it needs to change. Ultimately, it's all rather silly. Just change it. It's not hard. Get rid of the blackface, the red lips and the frizzy hair. You've got enough left to keep things entertaining and the kids don't care either way. But yeah, very touchy subject here.
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Geokinesis posted:You've not seen the yearly Zwarte Piet threads I take it? The Zwarte Piet threads are cool because a shitload of europeans always are just, so excited to go out and confirm that they are huge racists.
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illrepute posted:The Zwarte Piet threads are cool because a shitload of europeans always are just, so excited to go out and confirm that they are huge racists. The only bigger honeypot for European racists is threads about Roma people.
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R. Mute posted:That wouldn't work. As I mentioned in my earlier post, people here consider racism in America and racism in Belgium to be two different things. There's something to that - Zwarte Piet isn't a Minstrel, 'neger' isn't 'friend of the family.' But that doesn't mean that they aren't offensive in their own way. The problem is that people usually sweep American examples off the table rather easily - they see the specific example, but don't see the underlying universal point. drat good post right here
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