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pkells posted:Counterpoint: You were smart enough to have a normal civilian college experience without any of the military bullshit getting in the way of having fun. Had so much fun at his normal civilian college experience that he decided to join the military.
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Xenoborg posted:I hear you and realized that my problem with running is probably 90% mental and only 10% physical. I'll keep doing my best, and pound that pavement everyday till I start and at OTS. I won't be quitting of my own accord, they'll have to drag me out. Running shouldn't hurt, and shin splints shouldn't last that long. And if you've been running for 9 months straight you should be way faster. Maybe they'll find out what you're doing wrong when you get there and you'll get quicker really fast.
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A Kpro posted:Running shouldn't hurt, and shin splints shouldn't last that long. And if you've been running for 9 months straight you should be way faster. Maybe they'll find out what you're doing wrong when you get there and you'll get quicker really fast. OTS is staffed by people trying to get away from their own career fields for a few years.
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pkells posted:Counterpoint: You were smart enough to have a normal civilian college experience without any of the military bullshit getting in the way of having fun. Counter counter point: still dumb enough to join the military.
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pkells posted:Counterpoint: You were smart enough to have a normal civilian college experience without any of the military bullshit getting in the way of having fun. In my defense, I didn't even know OCS existed.
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holocaust bloopers posted:Counter counter point: still dumb enough to join the military. Unless he played the service like my LT, who went to medical school on the Navy's dime and can work for 100k+ because of her specialty.
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Pandasmores posted:Unless he played the service like my LT, who went to medical school on the Navy's dime and can work for 100k+ because of her specialty. That's what my sister in law did. She was an Army veterinarian, who had 8 years of education paid for by doing 3 years of active service and two as a reservist.
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Can I get the ahhrmy to pay fer ma motor sickle fixing license?
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gleep gloop posted:Can I get the ahhrmy to pay fer ma motor sickle fixing license? unli if u go ohpin cuntrakt
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Booblord Zagats posted:That's what my sister in law did. She was an Army veterinarian, who had 8 years of education paid for by doing 3 years of active service and two as a reservist. Maybe she had some unusual circumstance that allowed her to discharge a large portion of her service obligation, but that isn't something the majority of people could count on.
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Axolotl posted:This seems very unlikely. By regulation, she should have had a longer service obligation just for veterinary school alone, much less undergrad and veterinary school. And you'd be correct. She fractured one of her hips because one of the parade horses she was working with kicked her
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Booblord Zagats posted:And you'd be correct. She fractured one of her hips because one of the parade horses she was working with kicked her I read this way out of context the first time and lol
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Top secret clearance question. Would light marijuana use at the end of high school/ early college time automatically screw me? I have ZERO run ins with the police outside of a traffic ticket. No misdemeanors, no felonies, not as an adult, nor as a minor. I'm worried that if I don't disclose marijuana use, and they find out, I'm hosed. However, if I'm forthcoming about experimental use, I'm worried that's an auto disqualification. I feel they care more about honesty about marijuana use, than the use itself earlier. As I've said, there is no police record at all. No arrests, no courts, nothing. Please help me out goons.
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It's not an auto DQ. Getting caught lying is much worse.
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Zotix posted:Top secret clearance question. Would light marijuana use at the end of high school/ early college time automatically screw me? I have ZERO run ins with the police outside of a traffic ticket. No misdemeanors, no felonies, not as an adult, nor as a minor. I'm worried that if I don't disclose marijuana use, and they find out, I'm hosed. However, if I'm forthcoming about experimental use, I'm worried that's an auto disqualification. I feel they care more about honesty about marijuana use, than the use itself earlier. As I've said, there is no police record at all. No arrests, no courts, nothing. Please help me out goons. Doubt that'd gently caress you, especially since you have zero run ins with the law. Recruiters sometimes just say that if you didn't get any paperwork generated from it in official documents, then it shouldn't really matter. Honestly, telling them that you did, even if it was only once, could just mean the requirement of a waiver for joining, which would lead to a wait on when they would let you in. Some recruiters just don't want to deal with that paperwork, but it shouldn't disqualify you.
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I think I'm going to come forward with the use. I haven't smoked in 6-7 years, and it was light while in college. If I'm DQ'd from the clearance, would I still be able to pick another job in the military?
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So I was talking with my Navy friend tonight as I haven't seen her in a while, and we got to talking about her time in the Navy. She loves it, and is having a lot of fun and that made me a bit interested. She claims that I could easily get assigned to MC (no idea what that stands for) and basically become a Navy journalist. It's an appealing thought, but it can't be that simple. I'm curious, if I went in to a Navy recruitment office and said, "I want to enlist and be assigned to MC", what's the likelihood that they'll just make me a cook on a submarine or something the second I sign on the dotted line? I took a practice ASVAB just now, and because I kind of skimmed through it, I only got an 89, so I have no idea what difference that would make.
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Zotix posted:I think I'm going to come forward with the use. I haven't smoked in 6-7 years, and it was light while in college. If I'm DQ'd from the clearance, would I still be able to pick another job in the military? yeah. i don't think the drawdown is causing them to be THAT serious. you can still get a secret. i told them i was a pot head and that i had debt out the rear end and i still got a clearance. i've heard a lot of debt (or any major financial issues) is one of the biggest DQ'ers. i've also heard that the background check is to find out two things: if you are someone that can be trusted with sensitive information and if there is anything in your past that can be used against you for that secret information. like if you had a million dollars in bad debt and someone said "hey pfc manning i'll pay off your debt if you leak all this poo poo." what i'm saying is.. i don't know what i'm saying, but you should be fine either way. but if you don't get to join, think of it as a blessing because seriously, if you join now you're going to hate your life. Cole fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Jun 19, 2014 |
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Zotix posted:I think I'm going to come forward with the use. I haven't smoked in 6-7 years, and it was light while in college. If I'm DQ'd from the clearance, would I still be able to pick another job in the military? In your marijuana use admission you will be forced to quantify the amount of times you used the drug. Provided that amount is 49 times or less, the waiver is the recruiting station operations officer chain signing poo poo all day. No one really cares that you smoked pot experimentally.
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Biff Rockgroin posted:So I was talking with my Navy friend tonight as I haven't seen her in a while, and we got to talking about her time in the Navy. She loves it, and is having a lot of fun and that made me a bit interested. She claims that I could easily get assigned to MC (no idea what that stands for) and basically become a Navy journalist. If I didn't have the best job in the Navy, intel, I would say that Mass Communications Specialist (MC) is second best. I basically did that job for 4 months when we were doing humanitarian assistance missions, got published on the Navy Newsstand twice although probably no one actually read it. Most likely you'll end up at a shore command as your first duty station or on a carrier on big deck amphib making photos look better, or running the CCTV, or writing rote stories about life at sea, people getting promoted, other propaganda stuff. I'll go to a joint school for your training, at Meade if I remember correctly, and learn to write and use Photoshop. With the Navy what you sign is what your job will be. Don't let your recruit talk you into "hey, we can change it later before you ship" (that can happen but is slow probability), "hey, you can change it at boot camp" (lower probability), or "hey, you can go undesignated and then choice any job" (enjoy chipping paint and being a BM3's bitch for a year). If you don't have any obvious deficiencies that will cause your recruiter undue work, telling him your plan and sticking to it is your best way. 89 will get you whatever you want. Good chance your recruiter will try to get you to go nuke, don't, ask Ket or any of the nukes. Also, don't go HM, go to the Navy thread to hear them bitch about every little thing. PS - Go Intelligence Specialist, learn to use Powerpoint with the best of them.
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Biff Rockgroin posted:So I was talking with my Navy friend tonight as I haven't seen her in a while, and we got to talking about her time in the Navy. She loves it, and is having a lot of fun and that made me a bit interested. She claims that I could easily get assigned to MC (no idea what that stands for) and basically become a Navy journalist. If you go through MEPS and all that and get a contract that specifies becoming an MC (Mass Communications Specialist), then you'll be an MC unless you disqualify yourself somehow before you ship. Don't sign anything that doesn't have what you want.
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Thanks for the advice so far. My friend was trying to convince me to try to do go nuke, but I'm more interested in something that will let me be a bit more creative while still possibly looking good on a resume when I get out. I'll probably visit a recruiter next week and see what they have to say about everything.
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Biff Rockgroin posted:Thanks for the advice so far. My friend was trying to convince me to try to do go nuke, but I'm more interested in something that will let me be a bit more creative while still possibly looking good on a resume when I get out. Read this thread front-to-back http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3283345 then if your friend is still insistent about you going nuke tell her a Chief told you not to.
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Biff Rockgroin posted:Thanks for the advice so far. My friend was trying to convince me to try to do go nuke, but I'm more interested in something that will let me be a bit more creative while still possibly looking good on a resume when I get out. Your friend sounds like she enjoys getting hosed in the rear end by the service and is probably having a unique experience of butterflies whenever she goes to work after drinking the kool-aid.
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Zotix posted:I think I'm going to come forward with the use. I haven't smoked in 6-7 years, and it was light while in college. If I'm DQ'd from the clearance, would I still be able to pick another job in the military? It wasn't brought up to me until I went to MEPS and all I did is write that I had smoked weed in a little box, a doctor briefly mentioned it when going over my packet and I never heard anything else about it. I don't think it was mentioned when I had my security clearance interview or whatever but I don't remember, was a while ago.
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Well, it's on the paperwork for obtaining a clearance. It says list any drug use. I'm probably just going to write something like "extremely limited experimentation with marijuana at end of high school/ beginning college" It's going to be a gamble, coming out with it up front, but I've done some other reading and most people say to be up front about it. If they dig around and I don't tell them, It would be far more harmful. I'm not sure what would be found if they dig around other than what one person might say, as I have zero records of it. Never a run in with police, or termination from a job because of it, or a failed drug test, etc. Zotix fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Jun 19, 2014 |
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Just say you experimented a little in high school. Don't overthink it dude.
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It's not a gamble, I know plenty of guys who used to smoke who have clearances. Like everyone was saying, as long as you're honest about weed in the past and you don't decide smoking while you're in is a great idea, you'll be set for a TS. I'm not sure if you filled out the real deal SF-86 yet (I filled out some recruiting form when I was given a job that needed a clearance and then did filled out the real SF-86 afterwards at basic, but as long as you were honest up front about it and consistent on your paperwork and in your interviews you'll get it. Unless you really like foreigners, terror, or being in massive debt.
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I do have a large amount of student loan debt, but the recruiter said it's not an issue as long as I'm current on all of my debt(which I am). I've ran a 3 company credit check a week and a half ago and all 3 came back with 0 potentially negative results.
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They're not really looking for debt like that, they're looking for large amounts of unsecured stuff like credit cards that would indicate gambling issues or a desperate need for that could be supplied by unsavory characters.
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You'll be fine. I can't say you'll get through 100% because the military works in mysterious ways sometimes (e.g. randomly losing most of your paperwork). I've worked with several people that have done far worse drugs than you have and got through without an issue. Times were different when they joined, but pot is pretty low on a recruiter's red flag radar nowadays given the shift in society at large. Just don't like about things, that's what will actually get you in poo poo.
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Can anyone tell me about joining the Minnesota Army National Guard? My best friend wants to join mostly to gain the benefits. She wants her existing student loans paid off, she would like to pursue her Masters without worrying about taking out more loans, and she would have access to health care where she currently does not. She is employed full time at a job that pays $12/hr and can't pay off her loans and pursue a Masters without a lifetime of debt, or so it feels like. From her research, she expects that she would stay within the state of Minnesota and would mostly be used for disaster work. We've had a lot of flooding lately and she is under the impression that all of her service in the Guard would be within the state of Minnesota helping with things like that. She's trying to convince me that she wouldn't end up anywhere else and it's really not that big of a commitment and everything she does would be focused on helping locally. Also, she wants to do cooking. She was telling me that cooking for the Army isn't cafeteria style any more, that she would actually get to learn how to cook for tens or thousands. I guess I don't understand how that works, do you join the Guard and say "Hey I'm going to do cooking?" Can you even do that in the Guard since you're only there once a month? Finally, the thing that really stuck out to me was when she said "If I get shot at least I'll die in a way that means something." We talked about this for a long time, just because you get shot doesn't guarantee death, that's no reason to join the Guards, it's what you do when you live that makes your death meaningful, and why do you think you'd get shot and killed if you're only staying within the state of Minnesota? But anyway that's another reason why she wants to join. She asked me to write a thread about the Minnesota Guard to see if anyone has any personal experience since neither of us do. Also, she lives in the Middle of Nowhere in northern MN, not sure if that matters.
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It sounds like she'll spin anything a recruiter tells her into a positive, which is hilarious. Expecting something out of the military is quite different from the reality. But hey if she wants to cook with honor go right the gently caress for it. Her funeral. edit: I read the rest of the post. She's a recruiter's wet dream.
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holocaust bloopers posted:It sounds like she'll spin anything a recruiter tells her into a positive, which is hilarious. Expecting something out of the military is quite different from the reality. Yeah that's what I'm afraid of. I would support her if she did join but I don't think she should. I'm looking for experiences on what it's actually like, not what the recruiters tell you.
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Koivunen posted:Yeah that's what I'm afraid of. I would support her if she did join but I don't think she should. I'm looking for experiences on what it's actually like, not what the recruiters tell you. She won't listen to us. It's this weird distortion of logic where we must be wrong. It happens constantly. Just save your time and don't bother.
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I have a friend who was in the WI ANG, he did pilots' laundry. He then somehow switched to the Army side and had to clean up what was left of an Iraqi who got run over by an Abrams tank. Edit: I suspect he was not in Wisconsin for that second part.
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Cooking generally turns out to be "microwave specialist" with a minor in cleaning stuff. Also working with the dumbest people in the service
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Laranzu posted:Cooking generally turns out to be "microwave specialist" with a minor in cleaning stuff. Those last two points cover just about every job in the military.
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Koivunen posted:Can anyone tell me about joining the Minnesota Army National Guard? So your friend has a bachelors degree right now and is considering enlisting in the National Guard? Koivunen posted:Also, she wants to do cooking. She was telling me that cooking for the Army isn't cafeteria style any more, that she would actually get to learn how to cook for tens or thousands. I guess I don't understand how that works, do you join the Guard and say "Hey I'm going to do cooking?" Can you even do that in the Guard since you're only there once a month? The two fields in the military with the lowest bar for entry are infantry and cook. Infantry usually fills up with a mix of idiots who are too stupid to do more technical jobs and idiots who think infantry life is like it's portrayed in movies. Cooks are just filled with really loving stupid people. Koivunen posted:Finally, the thing that really stuck out to me was when she said "If I get shot at least I'll die in a way that means something." We talked about this for a long time, just because you get shot doesn't guarantee death, that's no reason to join the Guards, it's what you do when you live that makes your death meaningful, and why do you think you'd get shot and killed if you're only staying within the state of Minnesota? But anyway that's another reason why she wants to join. Your friend sounds like she is missing critical thinking skills. The military might actually be a good fit for her. Hekk fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Jul 5, 2014 |
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Anyone have experience with going through Army basic in their 30s? I'm gearing up to go in as a 42R, Army Musician. I've got a good number of friends currently in the bands, so I've got an idea of what I'm in for, but they mostly went in right after college when they were in their mid 20s. I don't have any health problems, and I'm in ok shape - I could easily pass the push-ups and sit-ups portion of the PFT, and I'm within a 1:30 of passing the run - but I'm sure not as limber as I was when I was 18.
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