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corn in the bible posted:But which president is the sexiest? Ford 
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Nckdictator posted:Wait, more Republicans dislike Reagan then Clinton? Clinton wasn't so bad. At least he wasn't a traitorous socialist with dark connections who wanted to destroy America.
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Jul 5, 2014 19:38
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I'm sure he'll go back to being hated if Hillary gets the nod.
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Jul 5, 2014 19:52
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corn in the bible posted:But which president is the sexiest? Buchanan 
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Jul 5, 2014 19:57
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corn in the bible posted:But which president is the sexiest? JFK, DUH.
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Jul 5, 2014 20:16
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Ardennes posted:Yeah the past few months especially haven't been particularly kind to Obama's legacy. A below average president in general, but not quite as terrible as Bush or Reagan. The only especially egregious thing has been the NSA stuff which began before Obama and will likely continue no matter who is elected next.
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Jul 5, 2014 20:22
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nutranurse posted:JFK, DUH. JFK wasn't so much a person as he was a collection of various diseases: 
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Jul 5, 2014 20:26
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computer parts posted:The only especially egregious thing has been the NSA stuff which began before Obama and will likely continue no matter who is elected next. If you start to list Obama's "disappointments" it starts to become a long list, if you ignore domestic policy, his foreign policy has either been an extension of Bush or erratic. Not in the same league as Truman, JFK and LBJ despite their defaults. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Jul 5, 2014 |
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Jul 5, 2014 20:35
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Gyges posted:Nah, he's going to end up in the middle tier of Presidents but has enough going for him to at least be remembered. Unlike 90% of the post Jackson, pre TR crew. Seems kinda certain that the expansion and entrenchment of executive power, especially as it relates to the NSA & "leakers", is going to be scrutinized decades from now. The issue is kind of clouded now because Democrats get behind the President, and because fear of terrorism is very real, but there's little doubt that this will be viewed quite poorly in the rear view mirror. It's a wholesale abandonment of the 4th and 1st amendments, with little apparent purpose other than power.
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Jul 5, 2014 20:47
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Ardennes posted:If you start to list Obama's "disappointments" it starts to become a long list, if you ignore domestic policy, his foreign policy has either been an extension of Bush or erratic. Iraq was a culmination of Bush era policies, Syria was about average for any president, Ditto with Egypt (specifically regarding the coup), Libya would have ended in a slaughter either way, etc etc.
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Jul 5, 2014 20:48
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corn in the bible posted:But which president is the sexiest?   Nixon or Lord Byro- I mean Franklin Pierce
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Jul 5, 2014 20:49
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computer parts posted:Iraq was a culmination of Bush era policies, Syria was about average for any president, Ditto with Egypt (specifically regarding the coup), Libya would have ended in a slaughter either way, etc etc. Speaking of foreign policy, you can't leave off the drone strikes. He murdered an American without a trial or due process. Being given an opportunity to argue your innocence, however likely that the person is pure evil and guilty, is a lynchpin right of citizenship. People criticize Bush's foreign policy, often rightly, while Obama has violated the Constitution in far more egregious manners with tenuous justifications.
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Jul 5, 2014 21:06
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Arkane posted:People criticize Bush's foreign policy, often rightly, while Obama has violated the Constitution in far more egregious manners with tenuous justifications. Comparing the damage that Bush did to the country vs. Obama is like comparing a housefire to burning your finger on a match.
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Jul 5, 2014 21:26
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Eh, more like Obama set fire to the garage for good measure, then built a new house made of straw and dung. And fire.
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Jul 5, 2014 21:30
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President Obama has actually made Washington more polarized and American conservatives more reactionary due to his race. Entirely his fault we know. He's pretty much a piecemeal liberal, enjoys his conservative political folk-lore, because they're so folksy, and in the end it does him no good because those people never solved anything, and in his attempt to connect with regular Americans he now gets the poo poo bowl, and the Tea Party pretty much invented him being forced to eat from it everyday since 2010, while they do stupid as poo poo pants-on-head silly things and still win office. RAH Sorry.
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Jul 5, 2014 21:31
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Nonsense posted:President Obama has actually made Washington more polarized and American conservatives more reactionary due to his race. Entirely his fault we know. It's because there is just something about him that's un-american. I mean I don't race to judge anyone, but I just can't trust Obama for some reason.
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Jul 5, 2014 21:33
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How dare you suggest that my raging hate boner for Obama has a lot to do with the fact that he's black! You're the real racists, liebruls!
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Jul 5, 2014 21:34
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People mostly hated Bush for what he did. People mostly hate Obama for who he is.
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Jul 5, 2014 21:35
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...and we're back to racism already. Decent argument for about 8 posts there.
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Jul 5, 2014 21:38
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If America is a conservative country because they say so, it seems true when you consider they have the bull-horn 24/7 blaring like some kind of banana republic ruling party.
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Jul 5, 2014 21:39
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Arkane posted:...and we're back to racism already. Decent argument for about 8 posts there. Ya'll will never admit it, so I, a not white person, do it for you.
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Jul 5, 2014 21:39
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NSA? Economy? Right track/wrong track? Inability to pass legislation? Foreign policy? Nope, nah, TRY AGAIN, haha nope, NO YOU IDIOT Listen, it's the racism. Definitely the racism. Country is a hotbed of racism. My source is the 100,000 posts on D&D where we have concluded this can be the only cause. Now stop interrupting.
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Jul 5, 2014 21:43
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Arkane posted:...and we're back to racism already. Decent argument for about 8 posts there. It's kind of tough to ignore, just ask your party.
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Jul 5, 2014 21:44
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Arkane posted:NSA? Economy? Right track/wrong track? Inability to pass legislation? Foreign policy? Bush did all those things. Reagan did all those things, you convince nobody mang.
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Jul 5, 2014 21:44
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Hmmm I wonder whose fault it is for the inability to pass legislation, welp it can't be the congress that's passed 1/9 of the bills that the "do-nothing" congress did, it must be OBUMMERS fault then!
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Jul 5, 2014 21:47
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Nonsense posted:Bush did all those things, you convince nobody mang. In some cases, Obama's done each of them worse, and Bush had lower approval, so how does that work if it's Obama's race that people are hating on Obama for? You ever thought about this theory for more than 5 seconds? Raskolnikov38 posted:Hmmm I wonder whose fault it is for the inability to pass legislation, welp it can't be the congress that's passed 1/9 of the bills that the "do-nothing" congress did, it must be OBUMMERS fault then! Congress had been an obstruction to Presidential proposal for hundreds of years. The idea that Obama has run into some unforeseen problem is a figment of your imagination. I guess they could all just be racists.
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Jul 5, 2014 21:47
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Hmmm I wonder whose fault it is for the inability to pass legislation, welp it can't be the congress that's passed 1/9 of the bills that the "do-nothing" congress did, it must be OBUMMERS fault then! But see that's Nobama's fault for "failing to work his will on Congress"! 
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Jul 5, 2014 21:48
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Arkane posted:In some cases, Obama's done each of them worse, and Bush had lower approval, so how does that work if it's Obama's race that people are hating on Obama for? You ever thought about this theory for more than 5 seconds? His approval is directly related to what he's been able to accomplish or at least claim to accomplish, I wonder what has happened the last 4 years to Congress to such a degree it's made them almost treasonously unpopular?
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Jul 5, 2014 21:50
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Arkane posted:NSA? Continuing the Bush Policies unfortunately. quote:Economy? Literally inheriting the worst economy since the great depression. quote:Right track/wrong track? What the gently caress does this even mean? quote:Inability to pass legislation? Are you loving stupid? I'm being serious. quote:Foreign policy? I'd take 100 years of Obama's foreign policy over 1 year of the last 3 republican presidents. quote:Nope, nah, TRY AGAIN, haha nope, NO YOU IDIOT Yes it is.
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Jul 5, 2014 21:51
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Arkane posted:Listen, it's the racism. Definitely the racism. Country is a hotbed of racism. My source is the 100,000 posts on D&D where we have concluded this can be the only cause. Now stop interrupting. ITT Arkane starts crying baby tears over the widely held and accurate perception that his political fellow travelers are out of touch racists. Hey Arkane, if you really are upset about how D&D is such a vicious whirlpool liberal circlejerk... why do you continue to post here? Personal responsibility, son.
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Jul 5, 2014 21:52
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Popular Thug Drink posted:ITT Arkane starts crying baby tears over the widely held and accurate perception that his political fellow travelers are out of touch racists. How else is he to score the critical 'politically sane' category of voters for his 2016 Presidential attempt?
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Jul 5, 2014 21:54
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No but seriously killing an American citizen without due process was pretty terrible. Not as terrible as Bush's foreign policy, but then neither are a lot of things, like chicken pox and sales calls that show up as a cell phone on caller ID so they seem like they might be legit for a second.
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Jul 5, 2014 21:55
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StandardVC10 posted:No but seriously killing an American citizen without due process was pretty terrible. Not as terrible as Bush's foreign policy, but then neither are a lot of things, like chicken pox and sales calls that show up as a cell phone on caller ID so they seem like they might be legit for a second. Agreed, do you think it is necessarily the President, or the advisers and staff around the President who continue the task from administration to the next to continue expanding executive power?
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Jul 5, 2014 21:59
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You don't have to be a racist to be a Republican congressman, but you must pander to racists.
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Jul 5, 2014 22:00
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Nonsense posted:Agreed, do you think it is necessarily the President, or the advisers and staff around the President who continue the task from administration to the next to continue expanding executive power? Is it okay if I can't come up with a clean answer to that? I think it's partially Congress not doing its job. At one point Obama was practically begging them to set up an improved legal framework for this idiotic war on terrorism (the fact that we are prosecuting such a thing is part of the problem, since it's so open-ended, as are the legal mandates given to pursue it.) Certainly if a Republican or another mainstream Democrat was elected in 2008, I think there'd be little different with respect to drone strikes - the advantages are the same for these methods regardless of who's in office.
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Jul 5, 2014 22:04
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No, no, foul, not allowed. This man is not allowed to make me swoon. This is illegal. Somehow the Eraserhead haircut only enhances the effect..
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Jul 5, 2014 22:06
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quote:Right track/wrong track? DECLINE AS A CHOICE, IS OBAMA'S GRIEVANCE INDUSTRY PUTTING AMERICA ON THE WRONG TRACK???
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Jul 5, 2014 22:08
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A Winner is Jew posted:Continuing the Bush Policies unfortunately. Expanded them, unfortunately. Far worsened atmosphere for journalists, too. A Winner is Jew posted:Literally inheriting the worst economy since the great depression. That was 6 years ago. U-6 is still at 12%. 0 of the people responsible for said economic crisis were prosecuted, let alone indicted. His handling is a huge shitshow. Fortuitous for him, we've had a gigantic oil boom under his watch. A Winner is Jew posted:What the gently caress does this even mean? Only ~25% of Americans think the US is on the right track. The average numbers of his Presidency are probably among the lowest ever. Obama had TWO YEARS of bicameral control. Not only control, but they had resounding majorities. The "but only for Congress" meme is bullshit. You've expunged the first two years from your memories apparently. And besides that, the idea that a President cannot work with Congress has 250 years worth of evidence to the contrary. A Winner is Jew posted:I'd take 100 years of Obama's foreign policy over 1 year of the last 3 republican presidents. Then you aren't paying attention, because Obama's foreign policy is largely an extension of Bush, and in some cases, more aggressive. The lone exception being Iraq. Boom, a sound byte from 30 years ago from an actual racist. Nice job Colombo. There's no doubt that there are racists. In both parties. Ascribing 50% of the country disliking Obama to his race is made up bullshit, to reassure yourself that the bad President that you guys went gaga over in this forum in 2008 isn't so bad after all. If you want to see actual racism, click on the I/P thread. The baying for Jewish blood is sickening.
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Jul 5, 2014 22:15
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Obama is a bad president. McCain or Romney would have been disasters. It's called the lesser of two evils for a reason.
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Jul 5, 2014 22:18
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Where are these tracks going? Neither party has any kind of vision for the future, just a stasis of modern society
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