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Eggnogium posted:Not really sure how (A) is relevant. If the data did show many instances of armed citizens stopping an in-progress shooting I know I'd be compelled that there's at least valid argument to be made. I am not an expert, and I don't want to derail this thread into a gun rights argument, but the pattern seems to be that most interventions against mass shooters are after they have already done their mass shooting: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...erventions.html
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On the guns rights thing. The real problem is with mental health and a bit with the control of how people are able to buy guns. They both need to be worked on to fix the problem without outright banning weapons (which will never happen). On the police thing....I don't see why we aren't just screaming for police to have cameras. We pay them to protect and serve, they will serve better if they have us or someone watching them. Watch the watchmen type thing. Finally, I think Washington would do well to reform its tax code. However with how terribly everything has been running I don't know how that would be implemented. Income tax to replace sales tax, I would be all for it.
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Anyone else go to the Fremont solstice fair today? Weather was perfect for it, the naked bike ride grossed out my nieces and I laughed my head off. That area is great. One of the booths was an anti-$15 wage thing, but it looked like it was put together on the fly. No table, flyers, etc. Just a couple guys with ad-hoc signs. Can you believe the balls of them to do that in Fremont?
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Montanan here; I'm in Oak Harbor currently visiting family. All of Whidbey Island feels like such a weird contrast to most of the rest of Western Washington. Every time I visit it boggles my mind just how many churches they've packed onto this island. 
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Jun 22, 2014 12:43
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Monica Wehby supports ENDA, probably: http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2014/06/monica_wehbys_campaign_affirms.html This particular race seems to be a foregone conclusion, but it is interesting to see how the Republican Party is trying to shape up its identity in Oregon for this election and coming elections. I imagine that they are trying to become the suburban party. In some states, this would work, the suburbs are naturally swing areas. But in Oregon, I don't think it will work.
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Jun 29, 2014 00:44
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Pikestaff posted:Montanan here; I'm in Oak Harbor currently visiting family. All of Whidbey Island feels like such a weird contrast to most of the rest of Western Washington. Every time I visit it boggles my mind just how many churches they've packed onto this island. If you aren't Navy, you're an octogenerian. I loved my time on Whidbey (go check out Fort Casey if you have the time) but man was I glad to move to a place with more people my age.
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I have a week of vaca in a week and was thinking of touring the peninsula a bit then maybe hitching a ferry to the San Juans for a couple days, anything in particular I should see?
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effectual posted:I have a week of vaca in a week and was thinking of touring the peninsula a bit then maybe hitching a ferry to the San Juans for a couple days, anything in particular I should see? I really like the beach near La Push. You can camp on it too which is really fun.
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Can someone explain this to me, a couple years ago or so WA passed a law that said something to the effect of if you see flashing lights move over or slow down, what I thought this law did was make it so that if you saw flashing lights pulled over on the freeway you either change lanes or slow down a bit, like say 55 in a 60 if you can't get over. The idea was to make officers more safe during traffic stops. Either I've interpreted this wrong or other people have because what its turned into is people slamming on their breaks and making sudden dangerous lane changes that causes traffic to be absolutely horrendous even if someone is just pulled over for speeding or something. I don't know how many accidents I've nearly been in because someone in the right most lane slams on his breaks and then also swerves left. This law is stupid.
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Jun 30, 2014 17:13
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Reason posted:Can someone explain this to me, a couple years ago or so WA passed a law that said something to the effect of if you see flashing lights move over or slow down, what I thought this law did was make it so that if you saw flashing lights pulled over on the freeway you either change lanes or slow down a bit, like say 55 in a 60 if you can't get over. The idea was to make officers more safe during traffic stops. Is this what you're talking about? http://www.wsp.wa.gov/traveler/docs/laws/emergency_zone_brochure.pdf It sounds like there's now a buffer zone so you can't legally be in that lane. e: Looking at it more it sounds like you can still be in the lane but it's more of a liability. computer parts fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Jun 30, 2014 |
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Jun 30, 2014 17:17
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Reason posted:Can someone explain this to me, a couple years ago or so WA passed a law that said something to the effect of if you see flashing lights move over or slow down, what I thought this law did was make it so that if you saw flashing lights pulled over on the freeway you either change lanes or slow down a bit, like say 55 in a 60 if you can't get over. The idea was to make officers more safe during traffic stops. Basically they would like you to get out of the nearest lane to where they are pulled over, if you are able to do so. People jamming on their brakes is unrelated, and just something that most (terrible) drivers do here for any reason under the sun.
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Jun 30, 2014 17:31
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It's not a new law, but they've started enforcing it pretty heavily in the past months. Guess they got tired of being mowed down by idiots who can't stay in their lane. If you get pulled over on the freeway, go to the next exit or somewhere there's enough room.
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Jun 30, 2014 17:32
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oxbrain posted:It's not a new law, but they've started enforcing it pretty heavily in the past months. Guess they got tired of being mowed down by idiots who can't stay in their lane. Just a general warning that this is a mixed bag. I have been thanked by Juneau Police officers for waiting for a safe area to pull over, but have also been told by police in Oregon to pull over immediately. Know your local regs on that.
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Jun 30, 2014 17:38
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SyHopeful posted:Just a general warning that this is a mixed bag. I have been thanked by Juneau Police officers for waiting for a safe area to pull over, but have also been told by police in Oregon to pull over immediately. Know your local regs on that. Yeah, some cops are happy, others play the "I flashed my lights exactly where I wanted you to stop, how dare you question my judgement".
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Jun 30, 2014 17:49
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Solkanar512 posted:Yeah, some cops are happy, others play the "I flashed my lights exactly where I wanted you to stop, how dare you question my judgement". Probably smartest to pull over to the right ASAP. That way it's on the officer, not you.
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Jun 30, 2014 18:17
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SyHopeful posted:Probably smartest to pull over to the right ASAP. That way it's on the officer, not you. I agree, though the first time I was ever pulled over I was yelled at by the cop for not taking the first exit. I think he was just kind of a dick though.
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Jun 30, 2014 18:35
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I have only been pulled over once(and that was a horrible speed trap on the Peninsula and my wife was sick so I wasn't paying attention), and I drive ~70 normally. However, I also know where all of the speed traps are. Am I just lucky or are the cops only pulling people over that are going 70+?
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Mrit posted:I have only been pulled over once(and that was a horrible speed trap on the Peninsula and my wife was sick so I wasn't paying attention), and I drive ~70 normally. However, I also know where all of the speed traps are. Usually it's at their discretion. When I drove my DSM from Seattle to San Jose in 13hrs back in 2002, I blasted past an OSP Camaro speed trapping while I was doing about 85mph, but he didn't come after me 
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Jun 30, 2014 19:01
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Mrit posted:I have only been pulled over once(and that was a horrible speed trap on the Peninsula and my wife was sick so I wasn't paying attention), and I drive ~70 normally. However, I also know where all of the speed traps are. I feel like they're more tolerant of speeding when its on the freeway and not on surface streets. If you want to get an idea of where they are, just use Waze while you drive.
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When I moved to Seattle from the midwest I couldn't believe that people drove the speed limit on the highway. It was completely normal and expected to be going at least 5 over, and even up to 10 over wasn't a problem. I would regularly pass speed traps going about 74 in a 65 and never have a problem. In Seattle it's odd though since the 'fast' lanes are usually doing the speed limit and people in the slow lanes are going 55 if you're lucky.
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Going 60 in some places would just make you a dangerous roadblock, like I-5 by Tukwila. Or at least stay in the right lane.
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mod sassinator posted:When I moved to Seattle from the midwest I couldn't believe that people drove the speed limit on the highway. It was completely normal and expected to be going at least 5 over, and even up to 10 over wasn't a problem. I would regularly pass speed traps going about 74 in a 65 and never have a problem. In Seattle it's odd though since the 'fast' lanes are usually doing the speed limit and people in the slow lanes are going 55 if you're lucky. Just honk your horn. It seems to be the equivalent here of pulling out a firearm elsewhere, and the rear end in a top hat going 58 in the left lane will frequently visibly jump then move over.
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Jun 30, 2014 22:21
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Mrit posted:I have only been pulled over once(and that was a horrible speed trap on the Peninsula and my wife was sick so I wasn't paying attention), and I drive ~70 normally. However, I also know where all of the speed traps are.
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During CDL training a senior Idaho state police officer told us in explicit terms to always wait to pull over somewhere safe. I then did this, still in Idaho. I needn't explain how the cop I got reacted.
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Waiting to pull over somewhere really safe is great in theory, but in reality it's never going to help you and it puts you at risk of the cop misunderstanding and accusing you of a failure to stop. If you're being pulled over, come to a halt as soon as there's room for your vehicle. If the cop doesn't feel safe, they'll just order you to move on further down the road.
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Mrit posted:I have only been pulled over once(and that was a horrible speed trap on the Peninsula and my wife was sick so I wasn't paying attention), and I drive ~70 normally. However, I also know where all of the speed traps are. I drive between Olympia and Seattle every day and I put my cruise usually around 67/68. I've heard and this is probably just made up, the way the speed radar works is that it puts up a red light if you're going a certain speed that the radar can catch and my understanding is that its set at about 70. I also think that they look at the speed everyone else is going, but I have never gotten a speeding ticket going below 70 and I know I've hit radar going 68/69. I also noticed that people in Seattle usually go around 55, but I think that has a lot to do with psychology because the buildings start closing in and the sight lines are way restricted so people slow down. You notice this anywhere there are curves, like JBLM just before DuPont and other notorious curve areas. Thanks for all the info on the move over/slow down thing, good to know that people slowing down to 40 or below are just idiots.
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Also there are a shitload of speed traps around DuPont and Tillicum. It's the only way to make sure the E-2s get a couple of miles away from the base before flipping their Mustangs off of an embankment.
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oxbrain posted:Guess they got tired of being mowed down Whenever "officer safety" rears its head its is either 1) revenue raising or 2) power tripping. Both are flavored with a self-propagating fear-based self righteousness. OTOH police in the NW are very nice compared to the SW.
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FRINGE posted:OTOH police in the NW are very nice compared to the SW. OTOH, SPD
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FRINGE posted:OTOH police in the NW are very nice(if you are white/not poor) compared to the SW.
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Kaal posted:Waiting to pull over somewhere really safe is great in theory, but in reality it's never going to help you and it puts you at risk of the cop misunderstanding and accusing you of a failure to stop. If you're being pulled over, come to a halt as soon as there's room for your vehicle. If the cop doesn't feel safe, they'll just order you to move on further down the road. There's absolutely nothing wrong (especially for women) to find a well lit, safe place to pull over. Give them a wave to acknowledge you're pulling over and don't drive like you're trying to lose them.
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highme posted:There's absolutely nothing wrong (especially for women) to find a well lit, safe place to pull over. Give them a wave to acknowledge you're pulling over and don't drive like you're trying to lose them. If you feel unsafe, then of course you need to act appropriately to protect yourself. But you're flirting with a felony, so hopefully that cop is feeling uncharacteristically kind. You could call 911 to confirm that they really are police, but hopefully you've got voice-dialing since otherwise there's a good chance that they'll charge you for using a phone while driving. Yes, it sucks and makes everyone less safe in the name of making money for the department. That's like 90% of what traffic police do.
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Mrit posted:ftfy
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FRINGE posted:"Compared to" is an important qualifier. No matter how hard theyve tried the SPD is not the LAPD. You're the only person I know who puts California in the SW, even though it's technically correct.
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Somewhat unusual news: http://www.king5.com/news/Train-derails-with-aircraft-parts-265866171.html A train carrying fuselages of Boeing Passenger jets derailed near Superior, Montana, spilling several fuselages into the river. Other than the delay in Boeing's schedule, this also has led to some funny pictures. As far as I know, no one was hurt.
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Where's the best place to buy beer in Portland? Anyone know? And for that matter, what's a good choice for someone who has no idea how to be a beer snob yet?
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illrepute posted:Where's the best place to buy beer in Portland? Anyone know? And for that matter, what's a good choice for someone who has no idea how to be a beer snob yet? To answer your first question: Belmont Station, which is on Stark street, has a really good selection.
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I don't know if it makes it down to Portland, but I love pretty much everything Fremont Brewing Company up in Seattle puts out. Their Interurban IPA is fan-freaking-tastic--great flavor without too much hop bitterness. The darker stuff they do like Abominable Ale (and the special bourbon barrel version in the winter) is great too. I'm yet to have a beer of theirs that I don't enjoy. Also I know it's a pretty big brewery now but Pyramid has a new beer out they call an IPL, India Pale Lager. It's great too and has the flavor of an IPA without the punch in the face bitterness. Really good beer I could drink all day.
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SyHopeful posted:You're the only person I know who puts California in the SW, even though it's technically correct. 
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FRINGE posted:Until they separate the LA to SF strip as the Night City Metroplex theyre stuck claiming the inland desert that you cant tell apart geographically or culturally from NV or AZ The honorable state of Jefferson may make it's case for joining Cascadia.
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