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I'm guessing they're replacing highlighting with their own stupid meme?
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 00:43 |
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Suspicious Dish posted:What does "lampshades the aversion" mean again? Lampshades means "pointing out that we're using a cliche while using it" which is a pre-TVTropes term for it. Aversion means "We're not using this trope, so I don't know why tropers are putting it on our page just to say we aren't using it" So "lampshading the aversion" would mean "pointing out that we're not using a cliche"
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 00:47 |
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Suspicious Dish posted:What does "lampshades the aversion" mean again? Lampshading is when something points out the trope it's using. An averted trope means that it doesn't happen. So the game is deliberately calling attention to the fact that all the bathrooms are occupied, when normally, a video game doesn't have bathrooms or never shows anyone using the bathroom.
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 00:48 |
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This is one of the few times where an aversion is legitimately worth listing; since the whole idea of the trope is that it's so pervasive that only aversions are notable.
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 00:59 |
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Roobanguy posted:I'm guessing they're replacing highlighting with their own stupid meme? "Hang a lampshade on it" is 20th century Hollywood slang.
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 02:21 |
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Wait, how is having a bunch of stalls occupied lampshading the aversion? Wouldn't it just be averting the trope? They didn't call the aversion out.
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 02:29 |
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HapiMerchant posted:That poo poo about how writers try to redeem their villains by saying "Look, they HATE rapists too!" and having them kill a rapist or something is weak writing. If you want me to sympathize/empathize with a villain, you shouldn't have to have them kill some other scum. Scum A killing Scum B doesn't make Scum A good just because Scum B is worse then Scum A. 1 wrong + 1 wrong ----------- 1 right
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 02:57 |
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 03:45 |
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Soulcleaver posted:I think I figured out the formula here: I went to that link out and was once again astounded at just how much intrasite hotlinking tropers do. They even have a guideline against doing it but no one listens so every page is nothing but hyperlinks to yet another trope.
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 04:10 |
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Suspicious Dish posted:Wait, how is having a bunch of stalls occupied lampshading the aversion? Wouldn't it just be averting the trope? They didn't call the aversion out. If anything it would be a subverted aversion. Trope: No bathrooms. Aversion: There are bathrooms! Subversion: You can't use them. Lampshading would require someone in the game to call attention to the perpetual unavailability of the bathrooms. Of course this is all assuming these words have meanings anything like their normal definitions, as opposed to "whatever I want them to mean because it's not like anyone's ever going to remove this once I post it." Of course, those of us back here in reality just call the Earthbound bathrooms thing a "joke."
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 05:00 |
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Alien Arcana posted:If anything it would be a subverted aversion. Trope: No bathrooms. Aversion: There are bathrooms! Subversion: You can't use them. Lampshading would require someone in the game to call attention to the perpetual unavailability of the bathrooms. Of course this is all assuming these words have meanings anything like their normal definitions, as opposed to "whatever I want them to mean because it's not like anyone's ever going to remove this once I post it." Is it a subverted aversion or a double subversion? Double Subversion posted:Ranma ½ double subverts Fanservice in an early anime episode. Ranma takes Clothing Damage which would lead to some nice Under Boobs. If he was a girl. Then he jumps through a fountain, activating his Gender Bender curse (which is triggered by cold water). Double Subversion posted:In the Calvinverse, Socrates is Locked Out of the Loop by the other four protagonists regarding the transmitter chip in his head. After Calvin finally tells him about it in Retro Chill, he marches over to Sherman, plucks him up, and... begins laughing. After everyone else starts laughing, he abruptly stops and angrily tells him to take it out. Double Subversion posted:Homestuck is this. So subversive is Homestuck that it it is hard to even classify what format it's in. Think about that for a minute. Homestuck isn't so much a webcomic as it is its own unique format. It subverts its double-subversions, and then keeps on subverting until it comes all the way back around. Double Subversion posted:This [NSFW] My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic fancomic. Double Subversion posted:In Anastasia, Anya is conned into posing as the long-lost Russian princess... and it turns out she really is the long-lost Russian princess.
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 05:52 |
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Lottery of Babylon posted:No loving way am I clicking those links. None of them have any nudity or sex. First one is just a dumb joke that I guess is a "double subversion". (A pony is covered in white fluid. You're at first led to believe it's mayonnaise. Oh, good. It's not semen. But haha no, she actually hosed a bunch of guys, so it is semen after all!) The other two are so incomprehensible and boring that I have no idea what was being said. That's probably for the best.
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 06:02 |
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Ninjasaurus posted:None of them have any nudity or sex. First one is just a dumb joke that I guess is a "double subversion". (A pony is covered in white fluid. You're at first led to believe it's mayonnaise. Oh, good. It's not semen. But haha no, she actually hosed a bunch of guys, so it is semen after all!) Oh well if there's no nudity or sex that's okay then Along the lines of Double Suversion, a zig-zagged trope is where a trope's use is so bizarre, so twisted, so avant garde, so outside the usual categories that it cannot simply be classified as a use/aversion/subversion/inversion/double subversion. Zig-Zagged Trope posted:iCarly with its lack of continuity and Rule of Funny taking precedence does this with a few tropes, but one of the more obvious and repeated tropes Zig-Zagged is Shipper on Deck: Zig-Zagged Trope posted:The TV series version of Aladdin has a female genie called Eden, who is also benevolent. Unlike Genie however, she's wise enough to become a Literal Genie when dealing with Jerk rear end Abis Mal. When the villain wishes Genie imprisoned in the bottom of the ocean, she gives him an escape hatch because Mal didn't say forever. When Mal wished to become the biggest and strongest being in the world, she included a method of relieving him of his power; and when the little girl who finds her wishes for everything to be all right, she turns Abis Mal into a bug as a "freebie". She also went out of her way to encourage the little homeless girl to come up with better wishes; when the girl wished for a sandwich, she convinced her to wish for a lifetime supply of food instead. Imagine someone emerging from their room after playing Minecraft for five years, seeing a circle, and declaring it the most complex arrangement of cubes they've ever seen. That's what fiction is like to tropers. Tropes are the elements from which fiction-molecules are built, so whenever anything doesn't cleanly break down into their list of tropes, they either get annoyed that it's cheating or elated at its brilliant, subtle uses of tropes. And all it takes is "show does thing and then later does different thing" or "character is nice to good people and mean to bad people" to confuse them. The problem obviously isn't that the list of tropes is wrong/incomplete/bullshit, it's that I swear this is a direct quote from the Zig-Zagged Trope page header posted:the author is simply saying "Dance, trope, dance! Dance for my amusement!" before indulging in an Evil Laugh. e: wtf Zig-Zagged Trope posted:In Zettai Karen Children, Wife Husbandry is sent through a blender. Minamoto is absolutely not trying to do this, but The Children want him to (not that they want him to wait that long), everyone else either thinks he's doing this or is trying to get him to do it. Also, according to the future timeline, it's Double Subverted when Minamoto and Kaoru get together despite his best efforts. Lottery of Babylon fucked around with this message at 13:28 on Jul 6, 2014 |
# ? Jul 6, 2014 06:23 |
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I don't even know how words work anymore after reading that post. gently caress is sentance? Do order good "of".
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 06:30 |
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I think the tropers ended up Double Inverse Subverting the english language there.
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 06:44 |
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UnacceptableTargets For more Protestant Persecution Complex, lets take a look at who Tropers think society says they absolutely can't make fun of: quote:People Who Have Gone Into Space What? People laugh at moon landing conspiracy theorists because as time goes on there is more and more evidence that they're full of poo poo. It has nothing to do with people supposedly hero worshipping astronauts. How are astronauts an unacceptable target? quote:Administrators and Moderators of a Community Something Awful is actually an aversion of this trope. Also, what? quote:Muhummad Wah wah wah why can't I draw insulting charicatures of religious figures on national tv? quote:Bill Nye the Science Guy Go on, call Bill Nye a fraud! I loving dare you to unleash the rage of a dorky r/atheist scorned! quote:Children in General adultism quote:Those servicing time in prison for crimes against children are often targeted for attacks by other inmates, especially if it’s sexual and/or homicidal. Those poor child molesters and child murderers. :c The supposed cousin trope to this is "Once Acceptable Targets", which were people who you could supposedly mock once but now you can't. Except almost all of the groups on that page are still mocked in places today, which they allude to in their descriptions, so they're hardly "once acceptable." I don't know why half of the things on that page are there in the first place. EDIT: Ahah this bit on Once Acceptable Targets quote:Sports Fans Wah wah wah my obsession with Naruto to the point of buying body pillows of the characters and consuming pornographic fanart is just like watching sports, why don't they laugh at them. quote:Terry Pratchett perhaps says it best: "The main difference between Trekkies and Manchester United fans is that Trekkies never trashed a train carriage. So why are the Trekkies the social outcasts?" Actually the main difference between Trekkies and Manchester fans is that not every paedophile is a Manchester fan, whereas almost every paedophie is a Trekkie. MinistryofLard fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Jul 6, 2014 |
# ? Jul 6, 2014 07:48 |
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PYF > TVTropes: I don't know why half of the things on that page are there in the first place.
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 07:53 |
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Making fun of Cubs fans is almost as much of an American pastime as baseball itself, even Cubs fans do it. What world do they live in where Cubs fans are mocked with kiddie gloves?
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 08:14 |
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Oh well if there's no nudity or sex that's okay then Sarcasm. Congratulations on the rest of your post, though. Reading about "Zig-Zagged" tropes broke my brain. It's TVT distilled to its purest, most insular and worthless form. Do I dare ask if trope pages can possibly get more incomprehensible than that one?
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 12:41 |
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Tropes are the elements from which fiction-molecules are built
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 14:34 |
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U.T. Raptor posted:You joke, but holy poo poo
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 14:52 |
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why does Kz/Ag in Kim Possible have a double bond?
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 14:54 |
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Suspicious Dish posted:why does Kz/Ag in Kim Possible have a double bond? Because it looks more sciency e: also maybe something about shipping?
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 15:02 |
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Last time I checked elements on the periodic table only combine, change, or decompose based on specific requirements and properties of said elements. So especially here you cannot expect plutonium to be melted with iron and have that somehow crap out gold. And even here they're a bunch of lazy cocks because who uses a number for the initials of a frakking elemental group. Even with combined compounds you still have to list the electrobonds for every element and they can't even do that right. I sucked at chemistry in high school and even I know that no way in hell the "Avatar Compound" could be possible, hell they don't even list the individual elements used in the show. And the best thing is, not a single classical form of lit to be seen. No Shakespeare, Poe, Dickens, Orwell, Stoker or at the very least if you're desperate a Peter Palahnuik novel. This is perfect, a science based on connections and tropers don't understand, gee I wonder why?
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 15:21 |
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DStecks posted:I don't even know how words work anymore after reading that post. gently caress is sentance? Do order good "of". Is "Hooked on Phonics" still around? Because that's my go-to cure for stuff like this. quote:Suspicious Dish posted: It's prety much their way of saying, "An action girl (Kim) and a klutz (I don't know who) fight crime," so you're right, it is to sound sciency. Penny Paper fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Jul 6, 2014 |
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MinistryofLard posted:Actually the main difference between Trekkies and Manchester fans is that not every paedophile is a Manchester fan, whereas almost every paedophie is a Trekkie. Is that actually a stereotype of pedos and/or trekkies? Because I've never heard of it. I don't much like trekkies either, but it is possible to be a horrible mangy dork without being a pedophile, and vice versa. Honestly, outside of tropers, I'm not even sure there's really that much overlap. Hammurabi fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Jul 6, 2014 |
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Hammurabi posted:Is that actually a stereotype of pedos and/or trekkies? Because I've never heard of it. I don't much like trekkies either, but it is possible to be a horrible mangy dork without being a pedophile, and vice versa. Honestly, outside of tropers, I'm not even sure there's really that much overlap. It's been a running gag on the SA forums ever since Aatrek, one of the mods and the OP of every Star Trek megathread ever, turned out to be a kiddy-diddler.
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 18:18 |
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Imagine someone emerging from their room after playing Minecraft for five years, seeing a circle, and declaring it the most complex arrangement of cubes they've ever seen.
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 18:20 |
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There was also an interview with some FBI detectives or whatever. Every single pedo he busted would have some Star Trek paraphernalia at home.
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 18:20 |
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Also because there was an article where an officer from I think the Toronto PD said that while not all Trekkies were pedophile, every time they nailed a pedo they had Star Trek poo poo in their place. I think one out of twenty was a Star Wars fan instead or something ridiculous like that. That predated the aatrek scandal, for what it's worth.
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 18:21 |
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Keromaru5 posted:Just imagine what Plato would have written if he knew about TV Tropes. I told you this would happen if you embraced writing. I warned you.
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U.T. Raptor posted:You joke, but Explaining Dilbert as a collection of tropes is probably the only accurate analysis tropers have ever done. The Dilbert future has a bonus chapter on how to be funny, it involves six elements of humor and all you need to do is combine three of them for instant laughs. He republished them in blog form but the formula is from forever ago. http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2007/07/writing-funny.html Scott Adams posted:Funny Words Scott Adams posted:Pop Culture References Scott Adams posted:Callback
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FrozenVent posted:Also because there was an article where an officer from I think the Toronto PD said that while not all Trekkies were pedophile, every time they nailed a pedo they had Star Trek poo poo in their place. I think one out of twenty was a Star Wars fan instead or something ridiculous like that. Well poo poo. My brother is into Star Trek, guess I need to call Chris Hansen.
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 21:30 |
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I'm only a fan of TNG. Better castrate myself just to be on the safe side, though...
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# ? Jul 7, 2014 02:25 |
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Well, there is a difference between just liking the show and being a Trekkie. It's the difference between "being a fan" and "being part of a fandom". A lot of Tropers fall into the latter category.
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# ? Jul 7, 2014 03:44 |
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U.T. Raptor posted:You joke, but I've never seen such a total misunderstanding of both science and art while claiming to be about those things.
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# ? Jul 7, 2014 05:45 |
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quote:It is fair to say that Adolf Hitler was, by all descriptions, a deplorable human being. However,
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# ? Jul 7, 2014 06:01 |
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=14041602270A99226000&page=0 Looks promising. quote:My mum knows that I'm part of many forums, I'm not sure she really know the difference between them though. She knows that I talk about a lot of stuff on here and spend a fair amount of time here though. She does at times disprove, but that's because she sees what I do here as time wasting, and that's because she doesn't understand the importance of TV Tropes (and my other main forum) to both my mental well being and the amount that TV tropes helps keep me good at my chosen subject. quote:My own parents don't really approve that I am here, and never hide it.
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# ? Jul 7, 2014 11:33 |
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Getting Crap Past the Radar: The Legend of Korra Obligatory pointing out that while The Legend of Korra is a good show and is enjoyed by adults, it is still targeted at people who are like 13 at the oldest. Tropers, like Bronies and the delusional, think that everything is for them though, which is why all the instances of something that is "getting crap past the radar" is itemised by series and episode. Jesus loving christ. quote:Korra isn't too heavy on the subtlety herself: Yes this is a line that can conceivably be used to refer to sexual intercourse therefore it is clearly used to refer to sexual intercourse. quote:This exchange You are trying too hard. quote:Tarrlok's and Noatak's backstory plays up much like a tale of child sexual abuse, with their abusive father bringing them along with him on "hunting trips" away from their mother and making them perform acts that Tarrlok sees as degrading and viscerally wrong. Noatak ends up chillingly stoic and seemingly depressed, being the father's favoured plaything, and ends up committing said acts with less resistence... until he violently retaliates against the father and tries to run away. Years later, as adults, they end doing the exact same acts they thought to be degrading, much like victims of child sexual abuse become child rapists themselves. The Legend of Korra is targeted at 13 year olds. Stop trying to shove your fetishes for rape into cartoons for 13 year olds. quote:Just what exactly is Varrick doing that is getting him an "itchy rash that won't go away"? There is no joke there is only sexual reference Getting Crap Past the Radar beep boop. quote:Bolin shouting "My instrument!" after Mako heats up the hot tub water to the max. For context, tropers ignored the bit 10 seconds earlier where the character referred to his entire body as 'a delicate instrument.' (he's an actor) because they are trying way, way, way too hard to pretend that actually the writers were making a dick joke because they are so desperately defensive about watching a show targetted at 13 year olds. quote:As one can see from the page picture, it's shocking on how they got away with showing a genuine human corpse in a more realistic stage of decay (likely naturally mummified by the dry desert air) instead of using the typical bare-boned skeleton. Good thing the shot itself was quick... Yes the show fooled those evil censors by putting a dead body in plain view. quote:Varrick and Zhu Li go to prison together, and both share a cell — with only one bed. Stop trying to read too much into dumb jokes. quote:Korra's talk to the new airbender in the bridge sounds suspiciously like she's talking him out of commiting suicide. There is no imagery there is only Getting Crap Past the Radar. quote:The "airbender hipster" has rather suspicious stains on his clothes. What? quote:Mako and Bolin's grandmother fearfully admonishing their cousin for speaking ill of the Earth Queen, then immediately turning to a picture of the Queen in her youth and paying homage is an extremely disquieting mirror of the fearful cult-of-personality that has been documented in North Korea. Beep boop what is imagery? Is it a trope? They're also really, really obsessed with making Amon a molester. Like, I see where you could draw that kind of imagery but they are really, really obsessed with it. The Getting Crap Past the radar pages are really TVTropes distilled into pure-strain
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MinistryofLard posted:The Getting Crap Past the radar pages are really TVTropes distilled into pure-strain
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