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Gensuki posted:Is Batterskull really a good card? I mean, Legacy is the format where basically everything is legal right? It just seems weird that a 5 mana 4/4 would see much play. (I know its appeal is also the vigilance/lifelink and not actually being a creature, but still?) Vigilant lifelink tutorable, is a creature or can make another creature huge and can protect itself with self bounce. It is very very good.
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Gensuki posted:Is Batterskull really a good card? I mean, Legacy is the format where basically everything is legal right? It just seems weird that a 5 mana 4/4 would see much play. (I know its appeal is also the vigilance/lifelink and not actually being a creature, but still?) The decks that run Batterskull in Legacy don't run it as a 5 mana 4/4, they run it as a 1W 4/4 with Flash that can't be countered.
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The Lord of Hats posted:Then let's divert that creative energy to the Just quoting this to a new page.
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The Lord of Hats posted:Just quoting this to a new page. Challenge Accepted. I've needed something stupid to procrastinate on this week.
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The Lord of Hats posted:Just quoting this to a new page.
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Jul 7, 2014 02:41
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 pretty sure it needs a square for 'is basically a time walk'
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I believe there is a 13 year old at the semi finals of this SCG open. He's playing burn.  EDIT: rules question. Is there a functional difference between the templating of sulfuric vortex ("if a player would gain life, they gain no life instead") and skullcrack ("players can't gain life"). Boxman fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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Boxman posted:I believe there is a 13 year old at the semi finals of this SCG open. Tragically, the kid lost game 1 after making a simple play mistake - he failed to float mana before Fireblasting. quote:EDIT: rules question. Is there a functional difference between the templating of sulfuric vortex ("if a player would gain life, they gain no life instead") and skullcrack ("players can't gain life"). It interacts with Lich in that the affected player can choose which replacement effect to apply.
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Jul 7, 2014 02:59
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Boxman posted:I believe there is a 13 year old at the semi finals of this SCG open. Yes, the first is a replacement effect, which is subject to ordering if multiple simultaneous replacement effects apply, depending on player etc. The other adjusts the rules so that the damage is never produced, in a can't overrules can kind of way. Imagine a card that says If your opponent would gain life, you gain that much life instead. If that card were in play different things would happen iirc if vortex or skullcrack applied and your opponent hit you with a lifelinker.
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Entropic posted:
Also consider Birds of Paradise? Boxman posted:I believe there is a 13 year old at the semi finals of this SCG open. One is a replacement effect, and the other stops an effect? So I think that if there's a card that says "whenever you gain life, you gain a poison counter" then sulfuric vortex would give you delicious poison, and Skullcrack would stop it?
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Jul 7, 2014 03:00
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:Tragically, the kid lost game 1 after making a simple play mistake - he failed to float mana before Fireblasting. Yeah. But he was dead that game anyway.
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Jul 7, 2014 03:04
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I didn't think about competing replacement effects. Thanks everyone. Also, how much is little Charlie going to get for a 3rd place finish at an open?
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Jul 7, 2014 03:05
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Poor kid.
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Bugsy posted:Poor kid. Meh. I'd take an scg open top 4.
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Boxman posted:I didn't think about competing replacement effects. Thanks everyone. People tend to split a lot. Especially top 4. If you really want to tilt someone refuse to split, and if you REALLY want to gently caress with them, propose an all or nothing split where winner gets both purses. e: probably about a grand
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Bugsy posted:Poor kid. He should have known his opponent had Batterskull in hand when he cast Stoneforge and did not search for anything. Kind of confused why he didn't try and kill the Mystic immediately.
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Boxman posted:I didn't think about competing replacement effects. Thanks everyone. $600.00 for 3rd and 4th. 2nd gets 1200.00 and 1st gets 2400.00.
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Entropic posted:
Just sayin, but a chart of topic cycling like this exists for more or less every megathread, whether actually in image form or just in theory.
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Bugsy posted:$600.00 for 3rd and 4th. That's not bad. That gets him like 2-7 cards into a top-tier deck's manabase.  gently caress Legacy has gotten expensive.
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LGD posted:That's not bad. That gets him like 2-7 cards into a top-tier deck's manabase. Legacy Burn is still cheap. Sort of. I have hope.
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Jul 7, 2014 03:41
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Boxman posted:rules question. Is there a functional difference between the templating of sulfuric vortex ("if a player would gain life, they gain no life instead") and skullcrack ("players can't gain life"). If you control Sulfuric Vortex, you can still cast Invigorate for its alternate cost. If you control Leyline of Punishment, you can't.
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First three turns of the SCG Open Legacy Finals: Tundra Wasteland the tundra Tundra Wasteland the tundra Tundra Wasteland the tundra I love legacy.
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Rinkles posted:Just sayin, but a chart of topic cycling like this exists for more or less every megathread, whether actually in image form or just in theory. This. Is. Asperger's. I really hope legacy doesnt die off.
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Minority Deport posted:First three turns of the SCG Open Legacy Finals: I laughed harder than I have at like... any other Legacy opening in an SGC event ever. Truly ~MaGicaL~
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Jul 7, 2014 03:43
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$600 might as well be $50,000 for a 13-year old (at least it would have been to 13-year old me) so good for him.
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Delver mirror's can be the weirdest poo poo depending on the draw. And you can see just how much legacy can do on 1-2 mana.
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C-Euro posted:$600 might as well be $50,000 for a 13-year old (at least it would have been to 13-year old me) so good for him. It would have been for me too. And it will still be if he doesn't spend it on Magic, but if he plays Legacy he has deal with what it costs now. Which is really too bad, as it's a great format- I got into it (well Type 1.5, back when Type 1.5 was a horrible joke) when a friend sold me his old extended Countersliver deck with a mostly complete set of blue duals and Forces for ~$120. Those sorts of deals aren't really available anymore.
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always be closing posted:This. Is. Asperger's. Really?
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Rinkles posted:Really? Stop.
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This is from a while back, but tzirean: I wonder, do you have a decklist for the Soul Sisters variant you were streaming last week after your vintage masters draft? I really liked what was going on with your Dust Elementals and Stormfront Riders. (Sorry, I don't have PMs...)
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Wheh, I just found out the new stack rules apparently nerf Voracious Cobra, an old favorite of mine. From the Gatherer comments:
When first strike damage is dealt you must assign 2 damage to one bear because one damage is not lethal damage(1). So one bear dies, the other dosn't and kills this when normal damage is assigned. (1) It doesn't matter that that damge has deadly side effects, combat damage is assigned from blocker to blocker that way. Excpet in case we have the keyword deathtouch. This accurate?
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Rinkles posted:Wheh, I just found out the new stack rules apparently nerf Voracious Cobra, an old favorite of mine. Yes. It doesn't have Deathtouch, so it has to assign all of it's damage to the first blocker until it becomes lethal (in this case 2).
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GonSmithe posted:Yes. It doesn't have Deathtouch, so it has to assign all of it's damage to the first blocker until it becomes lethal (in this case 2). So, if this was a regular 2/2 I couldn't decide to do 1 damage to each bear, and then use a -1/-1 to all spell to kill both after combat (my bear having already died)? Why the change?
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Deathtouch is an ability that makes 1 point of damage lethal, whereas that's a triggered ability that doesn't occur until after damage is dealt. I'm not sure what would've changed with the card?
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Because they just can't help but make the combat step as messy as possible. I especially appreciate the death touch + trample rules.
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Kasonic posted:Deathtouch is an ability that makes 1 point of damage lethal, whereas that's a triggered ability that doesn't occur until after damage is dealt. I'm not sure what would've changed with the card? Since it's first strike, after the FS damage is dealt, both bears would die.
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Rinkles posted:Since it's first strike, after the FS damage is dealt, both bears would die. Were you ever able to split damage like that? (I wish there was a site with old copies of the comprehensive rules and some nice way to see what's changed between them.)
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vOv posted:Were you ever able to split damage like that? (I wish there was a site with old copies of the comprehensive rules and some nice way to see what's changed between them.) Yes. I don't understand why they'd want to change it, other than wanting to nerf those cards.
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vOv posted:Were you ever able to split damage like that? (I wish there was a site with old copies of the comprehensive rules and some nice way to see what's changed between them.) I'm probably not the person to ask, but I thought so.
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