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Alright, giving this a quick one while my internet's busy making GBS threads itself for unknown reasons. It was a bit overly conversational, and given the points being made I thought the question-answer format didn't entirely work, but I've tried to keep it close to the original. Hopefully this works for you. 5 Misconceptions about the proposed Medicare co-payments 1) It’s only for GP visits No – you would also have to pay an additional co-payment when a pathology or imaging test is ordered. At least one of these is ordered for about a quarter of all adult GP consultations, meaning at least two co-payments in these cases. 2) Since it caps at ten payments, the most I'm going to pay is $70 a year The cap of 10 co-payments is only for concessional patients (those with a Commonwealth Health Care Card) and children under 16 years of age. There is no cap for “general” patients. 3) It’s only going to be $7 a time for me Once again, there is only an incentive for providers to charge $7 for concessional patients and kids under the age of 16. For general patients, there is no incentive for the GP to only charge $7. Many GPs who currently bulk bill general patients are likely to charge them privately to recoup the expense of setting up administration of the new co-payment system. If these GPs then charge the current average gap to their general patients, it is likely to be over $20 per item. 4) It's only a little bit of money, and won't stop people going to the GP Ignoring the fact that stopping people from using health services is the point of the proposal, there is actually good evidence that this will happen. There are already parts of Australia where 13% of people have not seen or delayed seeing a GP due to cost, and areas where 15% have not filled or delayed a prescription because of cost. 5) It's going to save money It’s not going to save money for the consumer, as the co-payments would increase the out-of-pocket expense of health care in Australia (which is already one of the highest in the world). International evidence suggests that it’s not going to save the tax-payer money either, as the people deterred from seeing the GP by the co-payment either •use an emergency department instead (which is far more expensive), or •avoid care, let their conditions deteriorate, and end up in hospital which is a far greater cost to the community So what are the co-payments going to cost me? •A family with two young children (aged <16 years) and two parents (aged 25-44 years) would on average have to pay an additional $184 per year ($169.92 for GP, pathology and imaging + $13.62 for medications). •A self-funded retired couple (aged 65+, no concession cards) would expect to pay an additional $244 per year on average ($188.80 for GP, pathology and imaging + $55.54 for medications). •An older couple who are pensioners (aged 65+, with concession cards) would expect to pay an average additional $199 per year ($140.00 for GP, pathology and imaging + $59.30 for medications). For more information on the effects of the co-payment, see this report from the University of Sydney: http://sydney.edu.au/medicine/fmrc/beach/bytes/BEACH-Byte-2014-003.pdf Cleretic fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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SadisTech posted:Maybe pensioners and the unemployed can literally just die. Seems to be the end goal. Seeing as there is no problem on earth that can't be in part solved by having less people, maybe One Term Tones is a conservationist.
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Jul 7, 2014 05:25
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Cleretic posted:Alright, giving this a quick one while my internet's busy making GBS threads itself for unknown reasons. It was a bit overly conversational, and given the points being made I thought the question-answer format didn't entirely work, but I've tried to keep it close to the original. Hopefully this works for you. That works for me mate. I wrote it quickly this morning and writing is not my strong suit. I appreciate what you are doing!
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Jul 7, 2014 05:37
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You're excellent.
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Jul 7, 2014 05:39
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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...0706-3bgjc.htmlquote:HECS-style loan flagged as an alternative to paid parental leave scheme Hell yeah. Make everything a loan! More personal debt, spew it all over the place!
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Jul 7, 2014 05:46
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Better yet, why not loan the money to the child? That way they can pay their own way into society.
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Jul 7, 2014 05:47
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Sri Lankan navy confirms 41 refugees handed to them by Australia will be given to criminal investigators.
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Jul 7, 2014 05:51
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Gough Suppressant posted:Sri Lankan navy confirms 41 refugees handed to them by Australia will be given to criminal investigators. gently caress.
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Jul 7, 2014 05:52
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SadisTech posted:
In my wonderful naivety I'd like to disagree - I'd decided not to take private health care 4-5 years ago when I left uni. Since then I have gotten asthma and spent ~6 weeks out of work, 3 of which were in hospital, due to pneumonia. Total cost? A few hundred in prescription inhalers, and about $20 for out-patient antibiotics. The public health system works, at the moment at least. It certainly appears that the long term aim is to gut medicare and bring in a private system. However, the more people that go 'oh, it's inevitable' and buy up private insurance the easier that transition is. It's hard to argue with having 50% of the country refusing to buy private insurance. If 90% of the country has gone 'oh it's inevitable' then painting the story as the lazy 10% dragging down our ~glorious free market system~ is a lot more straight forward. Buying private insurance feels too much like giving the wrong side ammunition.
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Jul 7, 2014 05:52
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Amethyst posted:http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...0706-3bgjc.html Yeah! HECS-style loans for absolutely everything! Why don't we give everyone the option to get a government loan to use for anything at all, up to a certain amount per year, every year! And then just like HECS, they only have to pay it back if they're making more money, enough to be over the threshold... Huh, this is starting to sound a lot like mincome plus progressive taxation. Maybe that option would be easier.
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Gough Suppressant posted:Sri Lankan navy confirms 41 refugees handed to them by Australia will be given to criminal investigators. PaletteSwappedNinja posted:I'm not saying Scott Morrison should be murdered but holy gently caress I hope he dies, like, really soon.
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Jul 7, 2014 05:52
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Amethyst posted:http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...0706-3bgjc.html Yeah, good thinking Tones, that'll really entice couples to have kids
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Jul 7, 2014 05:52
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This except I am saying Scott Morrison should be murdered.
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Jul 7, 2014 05:54
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Gough Suppressant posted:Sri Lankan navy confirms 41 refugees handed to them by Australia will be given to criminal investigators. Got an article link/reference for this, because I want to poo poo it all over anyone who has me on social media.
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Jul 7, 2014 05:54
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Gough Suppressant posted:Sri Lankan navy confirms 41 refugees handed to them by Australia will be given to criminal investigators. What. Quick, someone kidnap Morrison and send him to the Hague. For real, though, because this is patently obscene. I guess this mix of impotence and rage is the Good German feeling?
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Jul 7, 2014 05:55
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hooman posted:Got an article link/reference for this, because I want to poo poo it all over anyone who has me on social media. Latika Bourke just retweeted it.
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Jul 7, 2014 05:56
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They broke Sri Lanka law by leaving irregularly, Australia has a responsibility to return them the same as if I murdered Scott Morrison and fled to New Zealand to claim asylum
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Jul 7, 2014 06:00
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Negligent posted:They broke Sri Lanka law by leaving irregularly, Australia has a responsibility to return them the same as if I murdered Scott Morrison and fled to New Zealand to claim asylum Gosford Anglican Church seem cool they'd probably hide you in the attic.
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Jul 7, 2014 06:01
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Negligent posted:They broke Sri Lanka law by leaving irregularly, Australia has a responsibility to return them the same as if I murdered Scott Morrison and fled to New Zealand to claim asylum What.
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Jul 7, 2014 06:04
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Negligent posted:They broke Sri Lanka law by leaving irregularly, Australia has a responsibility to return them the same as if I murdered Scott Morrison and fled to New Zealand to claim asylum I'm not saying you should kill yourself, but I am saying you should consider the use of the air you breath very carefully.
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Jul 7, 2014 06:05
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Sanguine posted:It's hard to argue with having 50% of the country refusing to buy private insurance. If 90% of the country has gone 'oh it's inevitable' then painting the story as the lazy 10% dragging down our ~glorious free market system~ is a lot more straight forward. Buying private insurance feels too much like giving the wrong side ammunition. There's a case to be made for private but even now the private system uses Medicare and pushes people to the front of the queue. Private doctor costs are still funded in part by Medicare and things like x-rays and scans are still paid for by Medicare. This guy makes the case that private practice essentially gets a blank check for healthcare as there is no oversight. So the situation is basically poor person goes to doctor, gets told their fine. Private insurance person goes to specialist and gets told their find, but lets get a scan to make sure that medicare pays for.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/07/australia-asylum-seekers-sri-lanka-sea-transfer?CMP=soc_567Scott Morrison posted:“Accordingly, the government will continue to reject the public and political advocacy of those who have sought to pressure the government into a change of policy. Their advocacy, though well intentioned, is naively doing the bidding of people smugglers who have been responsible for almost 1,200 deaths at sea,” The people smugglers helping Tamils escape are the bad guys and the government handing them back are the good guys.
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Jul 7, 2014 06:12
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I like the part where the sri Lankan president gave tony some gold cuff links as a token of appreciation
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Jul 7, 2014 06:15
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Nibbles141 posted:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/07/australia-asylum-seekers-sri-lanka-sea-transfer?CMP=soc_567 Now look, there are laws and procedures to follow so if they are really in trouble they'd just put in to their local cop shop for asylum in another country. They're just freeloaders looking for a handout. You bleeding heart greens are so silly, one day you'll get some experience and see how the world really works.
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Jul 7, 2014 06:17
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Negligent posted:I like the part where the sri Lankan president gave tony some gold cuff links as a token of appreciation Probably made from melted down dental fillings.
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Jul 7, 2014 06:17
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Sanguine posted:Now look, there are laws and procedures to follow so if they are really in trouble they'd just put in to their local cop shop for asylum in another country. Picture everything both governments have said and everything that has come out of Scott Morrison's mouth and honestly ask yourself if the same line of reasoning and quotes would be used if a boatload of white Christians arrived.
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Jul 7, 2014 06:19
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Correction. Apparently they were sapphire cufflinks and he surrendered them on the register of interests
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Jul 7, 2014 06:21
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Look Peter Greste broke Egyptian law, if he managed to escape and get to Australia we would have no choice but to hand him back to the Egyptians.
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Jul 7, 2014 06:21
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Nibbles141 posted:Picture everything both governments have said and everything that has come out of Scott Morrison's mouth and honestly ask yourself if the same line of reasoning and quotes would be used if a boatload of white Christians arrived. If we found a boatload of white Christians we'd sail out a private yacht for each of them and give them 4 months in the Whitsundays to recuperate after the harrowing voyage. Realistically though, they'd just have to say 'hey Australia looks nifty' and then pick up their visa when they landed.
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Jul 7, 2014 06:25
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Sanguine posted:Now look, there are laws and procedures to follow so if they are really in trouble they'd just put in to their local cop shop for asylum in another country. Yes the correct thing to do is register at one of the UNHCR's four offices in Sri Lanka. Australia accepts genuine refugees referred to it by the UNHCR. these people are just opportunists.
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Jul 7, 2014 06:27
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Negligent posted:Yes the correct thing to do is register at one of the UNHCR's four offices in Sri Lanka. Australia accepts genuine refugees referred to it by the UNHCR. these people are just opportunists. Lesson about laying on sarcasm thick enough? Learnt.
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Jul 7, 2014 06:29
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http://www.humanrights.asia/news/ahrc-news/AHRC-STM-130-2014quote:The Asian Human Right’s Commission sends its greetings to all those taking active part in making the ‘People’s Tribunal Against Killings at Police Stations’ a reality.
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Jul 7, 2014 06:32
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Negligent posted:Yes the correct thing to do is register at one of the UNHCR's four offices in Sri Lanka. Australia accepts genuine refugees referred to it by the UNHCR. these people are just opportunists. The government and police would probably leave them alone, knowing they were on Australia's radar, for the decade it would take.
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Jul 7, 2014 06:36
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Appreciate all the people posting about their legacy computer systems. I had Duck Monster in mind when I wrote it; glad to hear from him (and everyone else).Amethyst posted:Hell yeah. Make everything a loan! More personal debt, spew it all over the place! Debt = Personal Responsibility. I'm liking the idea of shovelling the financial burden onto the child. The government can use it to incentivise the children and parents into doing things the government approve of. Attend school regularly and we'll knock some money off the loan. Kid does drugs or doesn't wear a bike helmet and we can cancel some of the loan forgiveness or even increase the amount of money to be repaid. The government seems to hold themselves above standard financial contracting, so it shouldn't be a big deal to change the terms of repayment and amounts at will. *Joe awakes from his lunchtime meat coma*
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Jul 7, 2014 06:38
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Note that if you actually try to apply for asylum at an Australian embassy in Sri Lanka, they tell you to gently caress off
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Haters Objector posted:Note that if you actually try to apply for asylum at an Australian embassy in Sri Lanka, they tell you to gently caress off quote:Her application was turned down in October 2012 “on the grounds that she was not out of Sri Lanka at the time of making the claim.” lol, The Department of Immigration is one long series of catch-22's. Sorry your application for asylum is denied because it does not have the requisite number of stamps, you filed it on a Monday, and you did not include any holiday photos you took inside Australia in the last 12 months. Determination: Too Unpatriotic. It was 2012, I'm surprised the government didn't advise her to get on a boat. LABOR WASTE Tokamak fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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Jul 7, 2014 06:42
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Maybe everyone should have handed back the Jewish refugees to Nazi Germany, because they were probably fleeing illegally too. Some people are human waste.
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Jul 7, 2014 06:44
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CrazyTolradi posted:Maybe everyone should have handed back the Jewish refugees to Nazi Germany, because they were probably fleeing illegally too. Under German law they certainly were.
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Haters Objector posted:Note that if you actually try to apply for asylum at an Australian embassy in Sri Lanka, they tell you to gently caress off AHAHAHAHAHAHA OH MY GOD, gently caress US.
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Negligent posted:Yes the correct thing to do is register at one of the UNHCR's four offices in Sri Lanka. Australia accepts genuine refugees referred to it by the UNHCR. these people are just opportunists. Where are you copying these shitposts from duder?
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