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OwlBot 2000 posted:Yikes. I thought I was being pretty clearly sarcastic, and even if you couldn't tell I was the guy who did this: This is just like the bitcoin thread. You're the best troll, Owlbot 
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Jul 7, 2014 02:57
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I just got into an argument with a friend-of-a-friend on Facebook about this silly PAC. Eventually I put forth a big old effort post (as both a poli sci major and actual activist) on why this is a lovely idea, and how if people want to make a difference they should be donating to candidates/to charity/go out and volunteer. The other part responds saying that she is lazy and doesn't want to put in the effort required, so she just was going to give money. I honestly did not know what to say; how do you engage with someone like that? (rhetorical question)
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Jul 7, 2014 03:32
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Smiling Knight posted:I just got into an argument with a friend-of-a-friend on Facebook about this silly PAC. Eventually I put forth a big old effort post (as both a poli sci major and actual activist) on why this is a lovely idea, and how if people want to make a difference they should be donating to candidates/to charity/go out and volunteer. The other part responds saying that she is lazy and doesn't want to put in the effort required, so she just was going to give money. I honestly did not know what to say; how do you engage with someone like that? (rhetorical question) Why give money to this, even if that's all you want to do?
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Jul 7, 2014 03:39
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Smiling Knight posted:I just got into an argument with a friend-of-a-friend on Facebook about this silly PAC. Eventually I put forth a big old effort post (as both a poli sci major and actual activist) on why this is a lovely idea, and how if people want to make a difference they should be donating to candidates/to charity/go out and volunteer. The other part responds saying that she is lazy and doesn't want to put in the effort required, so she just was going to give money. I honestly did not know what to say; how do you engage with someone like that? (rhetorical question) Against the wall, part of the problem, et cetera
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Jul 7, 2014 03:43
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Smiling Knight posted:I just got into an argument with a friend-of-a-friend on Facebook about this silly PAC. Eventually I put forth a big old effort post (as both a poli sci major and actual activist) on why this is a lovely idea, and how if people want to make a difference they should be donating to candidates/to charity/go out and volunteer. The other part responds saying that she is lazy and doesn't want to put in the effort required, so she just was going to give money. I honestly did not know what to say; how do you engage with someone like that? (rhetorical question) Dunno why you give that much of a poo poo.
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Jul 7, 2014 03:43
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Smiling Knight posted:I just got into an argument with a friend-of-a-friend on Facebook about this silly PAC. Eventually I put forth a big old effort post (as both a poli sci major and actual activist) on why this is a lovely idea, and how if people want to make a difference they should be donating to candidates/to charity/go out and volunteer. The other part responds saying that she is lazy and doesn't want to put in the effort required, so she just was going to give money. I honestly did not know what to say; how do you engage with someone like that? (rhetorical question) fine but give money to organizations that sponsor shoe leather activism rather than this bullshit not everyone is going to be the type to be boots on the ground, but this is straight up a scam, money can help but it won't be helping here
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Jul 7, 2014 03:53
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Samurai Quack posted:fine but give money to organizations that sponsor shoe leather activism rather than this bullshit D'you mean activists who go door-to-door or activism for actual shoe leather?
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Jul 7, 2014 04:06
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:D'you mean activists who go door-to-door or activism for actual shoe leather? I'm phone typing okay obviously the latter
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Jul 7, 2014 04:08
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Samurai Quack posted:I'm phone typing okay Makes sense, it's obviously a much better use of time and money than whatever Boyko can come up with.
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Jul 7, 2014 04:15
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Imagine if we gave every voter 50$ to spend on the shoe leather of their choice
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Jul 7, 2014 04:29
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Discendo Vox posted:Imagine if we gave every voter 50$ to spend on the shoe leather of their choice Still wouldn't help. The richest people in the country would buy up the choicest cuts before we'd get a chance at them, leaving the remainder of the population downtrodden, with nothing but soleless scraps.
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Jul 7, 2014 04:34
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Leofish posted:Ontario had a vote on Mixed Member Proportional in 2007 and it lost spectacularly, with only about 36% of the overall vote, and only 5 of the 107 districts had a majority of votes in favour of it. Almost all of the major media editorials were opposed to it as well. On the other hand, NZ not only adopted MMP in a referendum, they kept it with a second one. You're absolutely right, though, that electoral reform is not going to happen by financing a country-wide campaign. People like to believe that everyone just KNOWS what's wrong with the electoral system and if we just tell people there are alternatives and make a referendum happen we'll get it. It's a lot more complex than that. Any push for electoral reform is going to have to happen from the bottom-up, not being enforced from above, but the nature of electoral reform is that it's difficult to maintain a really strong, passionate movement for it - unlike, say, minimum wage or labour rights.
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Jul 7, 2014 05:15
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Waaaah the Christians are out to get me
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Quantum Mechanic posted:On the other hand, NZ not only adopted MMP in a referendum, they kept it with a second one. Not only that, but the timing of most discussions on electoral reform is usually right after an election, so it's very easy to paint the advocates as sore losers. Ontario's referendum on it came on the same day as the general election, so it was prepared in advance, but as I said, it was soundly defeated. However, I still don't think a change in how the people in power get picked would really do much to alter a culture that has become inherently toxic, especially in the U.S. where the sheer amount of money changing hands has way more to do with what happens than the box the voters tick every couple of years. The ultrarich are still going to have a much greater amount of influence in a system were money is speech.
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Jul 7, 2014 05:49
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Dapper Dan posted:The most hilarious thing to me is that they are teaming up with Jack loving Abramoff. Did they not even watch Casino Jack and the United States of Money? The guy is a life-long Republican who loves deregulation and putting as much cash into politics as possible. He's just going to milk the goddamn thing dry. I posted in the reddit threads about this (as a result I'm swearing off of reddit political forums, I didn't know how bad they were.... I DIDN'T KNOW!) and everyone was talking about how Jack Abramoff "saw the error of his ways and is now really trying to make a difference for the better you guys". No, we're talking about a man who ran a protection racket on Indian casinos, swindling cash strapped tribes for millions in personal fees and political donations (almost all to right wingers, he called them "loving savages" when they donated to Dems). He knew that was wrong while he was doing it. He knew it was wrong to make the CNMI a slave colony for sweatshop "Made in the USA" clothing. He knew it was wrong and he didn't care. Why in the world should we trust him when he devoted his life to making non-white people suffer and making himself rich? Lessig associating with Abramoff is one of the larger reasons I do not trust him to run this PAC in good faith. That and the fact that he hired (enlisted? Is he getting paid? (ed. \/\/ Okay yes he is, good)) Boyko, despite having access to oodles of political talent at Harvard. oldswitcheroo fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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Jul 7, 2014 07:22
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oldswitcheroo posted:I posted in the reddit threads about this (as a result I'm swearing off of reddit political forums, I didn't know how bad they were.... I DIDN'T KNOW!) and everyone was talking about how Jack Abramoff "saw the error of his ways and is now really trying to make a difference for the better you guys". No, we're talking about a man who ran a protection racket on Indian casinos, swindling cash strapped tribes for millions in personal fees and political donations (almost all to right wingers, he called them "loving savages" when they donated to Dems). He knew that was wrong while he was doing it. He knew it was wrong to make the CNMI a slave colony for sweatshop "Made in the USA" clothing. He knew it was wrong and he didn't care. Why in the world should we trust him when he devoted his life to making non-white people suffer and making himself rich? Lessig associating with Abramoff is one of the larger reasons I do not trust him to run this PAC in good faith. That and the fact that he hired (enlisted? Is he getting paid?) Boyko, despite having access to oodles of political talent at Harvard.
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Jul 7, 2014 07:27
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For your collective amusement, David Weigel just interviewed Lawrence Lessig.
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Jul 7, 2014 13:13
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Occupy (a nice office in) K Street
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Jul 7, 2014 13:29
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oldswitcheroo posted:I posted in the reddit threads about this (as a result I'm swearing off of reddit political forums, I didn't know how bad they were.... I DIDN'T KNOW!) and everyone was talking about how Jack Abramoff "saw the error of his ways and is now really trying to make a difference for the better you guys". No, we're talking about a man who ran a protection racket on Indian casinos, swindling cash strapped tribes for millions in personal fees and political donations (almost all to right wingers, he called them "loving savages" when they donated to Dems). He knew that was wrong while he was doing it. He knew it was wrong to make the CNMI a slave colony for sweatshop "Made in the USA" clothing. He knew it was wrong and he didn't care. Why in the world should we trust him when he devoted his life to making non-white people suffer and making himself rich? Lessig associating with Abramoff is one of the larger reasons I do not trust him to run this PAC in good faith. That and the fact that he hired (enlisted? Is he getting paid? (ed. \/\/ Okay yes he is, good)) Boyko, despite having access to oodles of political talent at Harvard. 'Casino Jack and the United States of Money' is really an amazing documentary. If you watch it, there is no loving way the man has reformed. We're talking about a guy who had Grover Noquist as his second in command when he was in the young Republicans and was so in love with Freedom Fighters who were fighting against the commies in the 1980s (the Contras, Mujaheddin, Savimbi), Abramoff sponsored a Freedom Fighter convention. In loving Angola. And he is a free market sociopath, in the sense that 'the government should let me bilk as much money from suckers as possible, exploit as many workers as possible and I shouldn't be arrested'. He left Saipan worse off than it was before. I mean, you had foreing workers begging congressmen who went there (and actually looked into the garment industry and didn't stay at 5 star hotels on Abramoff's dime) to find people to buy their organs so they could leave. It was basically Dubai in the West, in that if you were a foreign worker you were massively in debt to the people that got you the job and your employer took your passport and held it until you paid that absurd amount before you could leave (around $6-7k for some). And these people want this guy associated with them? It is lunacy. Dapper Dan fucked around with this message at 13:40 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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Jul 7, 2014 13:36
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Dapper Dan posted:'Casino Jack and the United States of Money' is really an amazing documentary. If you watch it, there is no loving way the man has reformed. We're talking about a guy who had Grover Noquist as his second in command when he was in the young Republicans and was so in love with Freedom Fighters who were fighting against the commies in the 1980s (the Contras, Mujaheddin, Savimbi), Abramoff sponsored a Freedom Fighter convention. In loving Angola. Remember Boyko's very visible and cringeworthy internet hobbies, the concept that "you're judged by the company you keep" seems alien to them 
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Jul 7, 2014 13:42
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Oh poo poo, I forgot that Lawrence Lessig was a big backer of Americans Elect, the "election reform" scheme that was so obviously a dumb scam that only Thomas Friedman took it seriously.
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Jul 7, 2014 13:44
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Remember Boyko's very visible and cringeworthy internet hobbies, the concept that "you're judged by the company you keep" seems alien to them This is true. But still, even if you don't care what company you keep, Abramoff is a scumbag conman who is going to milk you dry. I mean, he is basically going up to them and saying: "Oh, I know I called my Indian clients troglodytes and less than human when they refused my outrages fees and promised them another trail of tears if they donated to Democrats. I also closed one of their casinos in the interest of one tribe so the other tribe could hire me to re-open it. But I'm really reformed and I want to help you out!" You have to be seriously mentally deficient to go 'I want some of that!' instead of 'How about you go and gently caress off'. Dapper Dan fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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Jul 7, 2014 14:00
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So a bunch of gullible people got together and raised enough money to.. buy a house in Aspen. WOOO! If anything this all stands as proof positive that the majority of Americans still have no loving clue how massive the income disparity has become. You can not out spend the rich.. they are "rich" because they have money (duh), and in America's case they have the majority of the money by every metric. The only effective ways to challenge them are with mass political upheaval using grassroot local politics, or the much faster French Revolution method, which hell in this case would only need to take out 100 or so individuals to basically change the face of political spending.
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Jul 7, 2014 15:28
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Discendo Vox posted:For your collective amusement, David Weigel just interviewed Lawrence Lessig. This was a really depressing listen. Lessig really has mastered the art of talking a lot without actually saying anything. He's also astoundingly naive.
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Jul 7, 2014 15:36
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Pesmerga posted:This was a really depressing listen. Lessig really has mastered the art of talking a lot without actually saying anything. He's also astoundingly naive. He said so himself in the aftermath of Eldred
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Jul 7, 2014 16:32
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Remember Boyko's very visible and cringeworthy internet hobbies, the concept that "you're judged by the company you keep" seems alien to them Different people have different perspectives - he seems to have been brought on the bilk money out of the Reddit-and-4chan crowd, where his message of "you don't have to stop being a disgusting nerd who openly fetishizes children's shows just because you're an adult with a real job and political aspirations" probably rings true with more than a few people. Watch the bottom of the page for the MayOne SA banner ad and its slogan "The Internet has a SuperPAC" - they're clearly hoping Boyko's appeal to the freaky internet pervert demographics will make up for the incredibly miniscule risk that the media will bother to pay any real scrutiny into an organization like theirs.
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Jul 7, 2014 17:22
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I'm pretty sure that none of them except for Boyko know about the pony stuff, because most people don't go around helldumping their employees.
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Jul 7, 2014 17:27
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:I'm pretty sure that none of them except for Boyko know about the pony stuff, because most people don't go around helldumping their employees. If he wrote that stuff under another name, sure, but he uses his real name and googling someone you're considering hiring as your CTO is probably a pretty decent idea.
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Jul 7, 2014 17:40
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:If he wrote that stuff under another name, sure, but he uses his real name and googling someone you're considering hiring as your CTO is probably a pretty decent idea. If they were about having decent ideas in the first place, they probably wouldn't be doing this whole project or even considering him to employ.
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Jul 7, 2014 17:42
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The end goal for oligarchs like Koch and Abramoff is just to have a big sign at every polling place 'Abandon All Hope, Ye who enter here' - things like this MayDay scam are meant to drive disillusionment. On the face of it they want the wallet to be part of the 'ballot or bullet' dynamic - but they've really just settled on the bullet since they can entrench themselves at the top of social hierarchy.
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Jul 7, 2014 17:46
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McDowell posted:The end goal for oligarchs like Koch and Abramoff is just to have a big sign at every polling place 'Abandon All Hope, Ye who enter here' - things like this MayDay scam are meant to drive disillusionment. Tell us more about the century of the self and the NWO.
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Jul 7, 2014 17:53
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Nintendo Kid posted:If they were about having decent ideas in the first place, they probably wouldn't be doing this whole project or even considering him to employ. I dunno, it's worked out pretty well for them. They got their $5 million they can do whatever they please with, and the media didn't bother looking into Boyko at all, so as far as I can tell everything turned out just great for them.
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Jul 7, 2014 18:07
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How did I miss that the other founder of MayDay PAC is "Americans Elect" "centrist" Republican filth Mark McKinnon? Filth. McKinnon, Abramoff; did Sulu know about any of this? Is this MoneyKony?
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Jul 7, 2014 18:15
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SedanChair posted:How did I miss that the other founder of MayDay PAC is "Americans Elect" "centrist" Republican filth Mark McKinnon? Filth. All we need now is to have Peter Ackerman in there too.
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Jul 7, 2014 18:18
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goatse.cx posted:Hahaha this guy is incredible, he keeps using the same account of his mayone campaign to post about pony poo poo, even after the embarrasment here Aha, called it. XMNN posted:I have a feeling this is probably going to come in handy at some point:
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Jul 7, 2014 18:58
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Man I just read that poo poo for the first time. What is applecest? Is it a tree self-pollinating? Or like two IPods doing it? I know it's not, I know it's probably something unspeakable. I'm just having trouble understanding what it could mean. Political Whores fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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Jul 7, 2014 19:00
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Considering it's a post about My Little Pony porn, I'd assume there's a pony with Apple in their name and it's incest involving them.
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Jul 7, 2014 19:05
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This person attended the sci-fi/anime club I went to in college but he had graduated three years prior. 
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Jul 7, 2014 19:12
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I don't know who's more cynical, the people who post in this thread or the overwhelming majority of goons in the Community thread who bet their lives that a meteor was more likely to hit the earth in the next hour than the show coming back (it came back  ), but in any case, i hope SOMETHING positive comes out of this superpac. What that something is, I dunno, but I don't think it's healthy to be so negative.
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Jul 7, 2014 19:29
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Mister Fister posted:I don't know who's more cynical, the people who post in this thread or the overwhelming majority of goons in the Community thread who bet their lives that a meteor was more likely to hit the earth in the next hour than the show coming back, but in any case, i hope SOMETHING positive comes out of this superpac. What that something is, I dunno, but I don't think it's healthy to be so negative. I hate to break it to you but nothing good will come of it, and hoping that a pile of poo poo won't end up smelling like poo poo is way more unhealthy than acknowledging reality.
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