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skooma512 posted:Anybody know any good books on the Falklands War? I'd like to find something like Bowden's Black Hawk Down, a general history on the conflict with a focus on the tactical situations. I still have "Señales de Guerra" sitting on my shelf. It was written between Virginia Gamba (an argentinian historian) and Lawrence Freedman. Haven't read it yet (too engrossed with "1914" and "All Hell Let Loose" right now) but hey, it may be good.  Dunno if there's an English version, it should be.
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This was from a ways back, but thanks for the thread recommendation of Battle Cry of Freedom. I still haven't even gotten to the 1860 election yet, but it's a huge insight to see just how far back the whole slavery debate went and how that shaped politics decades before the war. My favorite parts so far are the Know-Nothings, which I knew nothing (harhar) about prior to this book, and the Lincoln-Douglas debates.Cyrano4747 posted:Very. Most WW2 era anti-structure incendiary bombs are some mix of chemicals that combusts either on contact with air or via a detonator, producing mostly a gently caress load of heat. The idea is to cause a bunch of structural damage with heat and flame, starting numerous small fires around it to maximize the response required on the ground. Phosphorus is really common as a way to achieve this, and by far the most common incendiary if we're talking Allied strategic bombing use in Europe, although I've read about instances when they used a thermite-like compound in an attempt to go after steel industrial machinery and the like. The point here is that all of these are solid compounds. bewbies posted:...I made "napalm" a bunch of times when I was a kid. Thanks for the answer!
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HEY GAL posted:How old is the Republic of San Marino? Earliest legal statues date back to 1263, the list of Captains-General runs back to 1243. Tradition says 301 AD but gently caress knows if that's true or not (it probably isn't). Rodrigo Diaz posted:Yo can people stop doing this? Either own up to using a Christian dating system or use another one. Pretending that it is inclusive just because it no longer explicitly mentions Christ (as if the way it was calculated is MERE COINCIDENCE) is intellectually cowardly. Cyrano4747 posted:Right now, at this moment, I love you. In this year of 2767 AUC, I love both of you. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Jul 9, 2014 |
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Does anyone have any recommendations of books on Eastern Front combat? I've read lots of strategic stuff but I'd love to find something that goes more into the tactical levels than strategic, especially from a Soviet perspective.
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apseudonym posted:Does anyone have any recommendations of books on Eastern Front combat? I've read lots of strategic stuff but I'd love to find something that goes more into the tactical levels than strategic, especially from a Soviet perspective. A Writer at War by Vasily Grossman
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gradenko_2000 posted:This was from a ways back, but thanks for the thread recommendation of Battle Cry of Freedom. I still haven't even gotten to the 1860 election yet, but it's a huge insight to see just how far back the whole slavery debate went and how that shaped politics decades before the war. My favorite parts so far are the Know-Nothings, which I knew nothing (harhar) about prior to this book, and the Lincoln-Douglas debates. Yeah, if you ever feel badly about modern US politics, you can always say "At least we aren't planning to covertly annex most of Central America for the purpose of spreading slavery in order to give one party an electoral advantage in the Senate!" That was pretty crazy, and definitely something I did not know about the US before reading that book.
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Tomn posted:Yeah, if you ever feel badly about modern US politics, you can always say "At least we aren't planning to covertly annex most of Central America for the purpose of spreading slavery in order to give one party an electoral advantage in the Senate!" That'd make me feel even worse because they haven't loving changed.
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apseudonym posted:Does anyone have any recommendations of books on Eastern Front combat? I've read lots of strategic stuff but I'd love to find something that goes more into the tactical levels than strategic, especially from a Soviet perspective. Ah there was a good one I've read, My Just War: The Memoir of a Jewish Red Army Soldier in World War II I liked it a lot, the guy surviving was a miracle in of itself.
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uPen posted:A Writer at War by Vasily Grossman An excellent book though be prepared for the horror of the Treblinka chapter.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:An excellent book though be prepared for the horror of the Treblinka chapter. I was going to post that there's no way it could be worse than The Hell Called Treblinka, then I googled it and found that is the Treblinka chapter you're talking about. I think that chapter goes down as the most horrific thing I've ever read, it's the Come and See of literature.
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apseudonym posted:Does anyone have any recommendations of books on Eastern Front combat? I've read lots of strategic stuff but I'd love to find something that goes more into the tactical levels than strategic, especially from a Soviet perspective. Grossman is fantastic. If you want more of an overview than a personal account, Ivan's War by Catherine Merridale is also good.
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George Nipe's Decision in the Ukraine is focused on the summer of 1943, and in particular operations in south (Citadelle, Mius Offensive, Rumyantsev), but it does detail the battles right down to the platoon-company-battalion level so you get a good perspective on tactical situations. I'd also recommend Antony Beevor's Stalingrad for a more personal perspective.
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I forget his name, but the guy who runs that World of Tanks blog had a pretty good post a while back about a WWII tanker's memoirs. Dude mentioned ramming German tanks in an encounter battle. E: Was that you, Gradenko? Phone posting right now. It was either you or Ensign Expendable. Grand Prize Winner fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Jul 9, 2014 |
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It was Ensign Expendable. I like his blog a lot, especially for all the wehraboos kicking and screaming about Russian bias in the data and historical documents. Also, while we are talking about book recommendations, anything about fighter pilots?
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Earliest legal statues date back to 1263, the list of Captains-General runs back to 1243. Tradition says 301 AD but gently caress knows if that's true or not (it probably isn't). quote:In this year of 2767 AUC, I love both of you.
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skooma512 posted:Anybody know any good books on the Falklands War? I'd like to find something like Bowden's Black Hawk Down, a general history on the conflict with a focus on the tactical situations. If you want to read a single book (in English, presumably), I recommend The land that lost its heroes: how Argentina lost the Falklands War by Jimmy Burns, I have the 2013 ed. and it is quite good, and gives a lot of depth. I don't know how similar it is to Bowden's book as I have not read that, but Burns provides both a general history and details the tactical situations (hopefully enough for your liking). Azran posted:I still have "Señales de Guerra" sitting on my shelf. It was written between Virginia Gamba (an argentinian historian) and Lawrence Freedman. Haven't read it yet (too engrossed with "1914" and "All Hell Let Loose" right now) but hey, it may be good. ArchangeI posted:There is one hundred days by Admiral Woodward, who commanded the task force. It was a very interesting look into the logistical constraints they were working under, and it really shows how complex modern warfare can be. The only downside for me was that he never really owns up to any mistakes he might have made, it's always "Welp, nothing we could've done, guess that Exocet hit that ship through sheer dumb luck". The Battle for the Falklands by Max Hastings and Simon Jenkins is a decent book as well. The issue with that one is that its quite dated, as they got it out to print fairly quickly, and thus a lot of the information is shaky, although check if it has had a more comprehensive newer edition. Argentine Fight for the Falklands by Martin Middlebrook is also quite good, and more up to date. It also includes (as the title denotes) much more information from the Argentine side that would be usually present in British texts (maybe this is something you would like more, as it gives a lot of Argentine opinion on the engagements). Historia del Conflicto del Atlantico Sur by Rubén O. Moro (a Commodore in the Naval Aviation) gives good operational insights into the Argentine effort. It is an extremely grognard book and its what I would recommend if you could read Spanish. Another very interesting book in Spanish is Malvinas: Diplomacia y conflicto armado, comentarios a la historia oficial britanica by Vicente Berasategui, in which he goes almost point-by-point in the British official history (by Lawrence Freedman) issuing replies. There are also other mainstays like Malvinas: La trama secreta by Cardoso, Kirschbaum and van der Kooy. Staring reprovingly from my shelf is 1982 by Juan B. Yofre, have you read that Azran?
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 The Eastern Front really was something else entirely.ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:In this year of 2767 AUC, I love both of you. HEY GAL posted:?5774 אתה לא מתכוון  .
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:I was going to post that there's no way it could be worse than The Hell Called Treblinka, then I googled it and found that is the Treblinka chapter you're talking about. I think that chapter goes down as the most horrific thing I've ever read, it's the Come and See of literature. I found that online and read it, and now I've gone straight to 'A Year in Treblinka' by Jacob Wiernik, also available online, the account on which that chapter is largely based. Grossman is certainly a more accomplished writer, but if you read both of these, you become aware of a number of propagandistic flourishes; for example, the prisoners seem to have attributed Himmler's new order to remove all evidence and burn the corpses on the Germans uncovering the remains of the Katyn massacre, which they heard about at the time. While Grossman obviously makes no mention of Katyn, but rather says it was due to the German defeat at Stalingrad.
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So, after a guy in the regiment I'm studying died while owing 50 Reichsthalers to a Feldscherr ("in specie," the Feldscherr was at pains to point out--good money, not that bullshit that everyone's minting these days) and 2 to someone else, the Feldscherr and a bunch of other company-level officers decided to make a thing where loans were guaranteed. Now, if a dude dies while he owes someone else cash, they'll have receipts. (The dead man only had 20 on him when he died, of which the Feldscherr gave two to the guy who was owed two and kept the remaining 18, which means he's still short. Oops.) HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Jul 9, 2014 |
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Are these receipts those marked and split sticks? Tally sticks it is in english? "Etwas auf dem Kerbholz haben"
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JaucheCharly posted:Are these receipts those marked and split sticks? Tally sticks it is in english?
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JaucheCharly posted:http://english.iremember.ru/tankers/77-yampolsky-joseph-mironovich.html?q=%2Ftankers%2F77-yampolsky-joseph-mironovich.html Bloody hell. It's shocking the level of violence those guys saw, and is probably unimaginable to me now. Don Gato posted:I don't know where you're getting these big numbers, it's only 1435 AH in the civilized world Pfft, lunar calendars are dumb, and have been largely abandoned for good reason.
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OctaviusBeaver posted:So what exactly did the Soviet government want encircled soldiers to do? If they surrendered they were traitors but if they broke out they were also probably traitors? Not get encircled or die.
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OctaviusBeaver posted:So what exactly did the Soviet government want encircled soldiers to do? If they surrendered they were traitors but if they broke out they were also probably traitors? The claim would be that people who escaped from an encirclement when the rest of the unit did not are possibly deserters. Hence why the dudes who broke out as an organized unit are fine.
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I'm pretty sure the basic logic comes down to human life being incredibly cheap. This thread is fascinating for me in a gut-churning trainwreck kind of way. That's not a knock on this thread, I'm just a massive baby who can't take the horrors of humanity
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Fangz posted:The claim would be that people who escaped from an encirclement when the rest of the unit did not are possibly deserters. Hence why the dudes who broke out as an organized unit are fine. That, or have been recruited as spies or saboteurs by the Germans.
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Fangz posted:The claim would be that people who escaped from an encirclement when the rest of the unit did not are possibly deserters. Hence why the dudes who broke out as an organized unit are fine. Political considerations interfering with military affairs is always good for (comical) tragedy. Like that thing on Kertsch where a certain Politbureau guy forbade the digging of trenches, because supposedly it would undermine the troop's spirit of attack. The german artillery ripped them to shreds. Ah, what was the name of this guy? Lev Mekhlis?
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OctaviusBeaver posted:So what exactly did the Soviet government want encircled soldiers to do? If they surrendered they were traitors but if they broke out they were also probably traitors? Weren't the statistics for males born in the CCCP between like 1920 and 1925 killed in the GPW just insane? Like 80% never came back insane? About the only things I figure could be worse statistically (albeit with far smaller sample sizes) were U-Boat sailor... gently caress, I guess any IJA unit that faced off on (small pacific island fortress) against US Marines/Army?
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Frostwerks posted:Weren't the statistics for males born in the CCCP between like 1920 and 1925 killed in the GPW just insane? Like 80% never came back insane? About the only things I figure could be worse statistically (albeit with far smaller sample sizes) were U-Boat sailor... gently caress, I guess any IJA unit that faced off on (small pacific island fortress) against US Marines/Army? U-boots was 33% percent dead, Japanese garrisons hovering around 90-97% depending on the island. (To be fair, there's not a lot of ways off an island, or a sinking sub) 80% dead is a cataclysmal percentage when you're talking populations. Wikipedia has some age pyramids of the USSR around the War, it's pretty dire, but not quite that high.  1941  1945 Aside from the war, which shrank the entire population pretty equally, there's huge divots around 1921 and 1931 coinciding with WWI+Revolution and the bulk of Stalin's reforms. Russians have really seen some poo poo. However, I'm getting second thoughts about this graph. Slim Jim Pickens fucked around with this message at 09:41 on Jul 10, 2014 |
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Tollymain posted:This thread is fascinating for me in a gut-churning trainwreck kind of way. That's not a knock on this thread, I'm just a massive baby who can't take the horrors of humanity
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:U-boots was 33% percent dead, Japanese garrisons hovering around 90-97% depending on the island. (To be fair, there's not a lot of ways off an island, or a sinking sub) Wait, I thought U-boat really was just loving wacky? 33% is still loving huge though.
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Frostwerks posted:Wait, I thought U-boat really was just loving wacky? 33% is still loving huge though. 33% is probably over the course of the entire war. By 1945 the mortality rate was something like 90% but it was a lot smaller earlier in the war and being a U-Boat sailor in 1939 didn't guarantee you would still be at sea in 1945, even if you survived until then.
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I don't know how accurate this site is, or where their data is coming from, but:quote:Of the 1,155 U-boats Germany sent into combat, 725 had been sunk in the longest battle of the war. Lasting nearly six years, over 35,000 German sailors had put to sea, with 28,744 never returning – a death rate of 82 percent, the highest casualty rate of any armed forces of any conflict in the history of modern war. http://www.uboataces.com/boa-uboat-end.shtml
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Gully Foyle posted:I don't know how accurate this site is, or where their data is coming from, but: "Battle of the Atlantic" is a pretty broad use of the term battle.
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:Yo can people stop doing this? Either own up to using a Christian dating system or use another one. Pretending that it is inclusive just because it no longer explicitly mentions Christ (as if the way it was calculated is MERE COINCIDENCE) is intellectually cowardly. 'BC' implies there was a time when Christ was not, which is non-trinitarian heresy, and should be condemned by all good Christians in accordance with Emperor Constantine the Great's edict against the heretic Arius and the conclusions of the Nicean Council.
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JaucheCharly posted:Political considerations interfering with military affairs is always good for (comical) tragedy. Like that thing on Kertsch where a certain Politbureau guy forbade the digging of trenches, because supposedly it would undermine the troop's spirit of attack. The german artillery ripped them to shreds. Ah, what was the name of this guy? Lev Mekhlis? Oh, Mekhlis. Yes, let's put a QA guy in charge of army morale, why not.
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