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No one should be forced to game with people they don't want to, but isn't a public game shop probably the best place for this kind of person to play? Certainly seems generally safer than them making or answering recruitment posts, either in meatspace or online, to play in a private residence. I'd like to think that I wouldn't ostracize former criminals, assuming they are trying to live straight and narrow now, who have finished their sentences, but I'm honestly not certain what I'd do here. If the player is annoying/creepy/whatever on top of their past the decision is certainly easier.
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Honestly he's lucky nobody's planning to strap him to the table and publicly castrate him.
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Jul 9, 2014 21:10
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whydirt posted:No one should be forced to game with people they don't want to, but isn't a public game shop probably the best place for this kind of person to play? Certainly seems generally safer than them making or answering recruitment posts, either in meatspace or online, to play in a private residence. I do not want someone who collected kiddie porn in a shop that is frequented by kids under any circumstances, full stop.
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Jul 9, 2014 21:14
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If they've done their time and they've rehabilitated, if they're in counseling or successfully concluded counseling, if the situation isn't going to give them opportunities for more offenses... Maybe at a game store? Definitely not in my house. I like to think people can change, I guess. 
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Jul 9, 2014 21:18
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whydirt posted:No one should be forced to game with people they don't want to, but isn't a public game shop probably the best place for this kind of person to play? A gaming store that regularly runs Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon tourneys? No, absolutely not.
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Jul 9, 2014 21:19
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SageNytell posted:I do not want someone who collected kiddie porn in a shop that is frequented by kids under any circumstances, full stop. This whole thing wasn't made public to the group at large, I just sent him an email saying "this was brought to my attention LINK Please do not show up tonight or sign up for future games."
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Jul 9, 2014 21:19
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Is there a thread for card games in general that aren't CCGs? Or Steve Jackson games, even? I have one goddamn question about Illuminati and can't Google it for obvious reasons. I'll ask it here if there's nowhere better.
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Jul 9, 2014 21:22
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CapnAndy posted:Is there a thread for card games in general that aren't CCGs? Or Steve Jackson games, even? I have one goddamn question about Illuminati and can't Google it for obvious reasons. I'll ask it here if there's nowhere better. There was, but I can't find it now. The board games thread is your best bet a lot of the time. That said, hit me with what you got, I played a lot of Illuminati.
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Jul 9, 2014 21:24
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CapnAndy posted:Is there a thread for card games in general that aren't CCGs? Or Steve Jackson games, even? I have one goddamn question about Illuminati and can't Google it for obvious reasons. I'll ask it here if there's nowhere better. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447461 I'm still waiting for Abbey's write up of the Decipher Star Wars CCG.
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Jul 9, 2014 21:28
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Winson_Paine posted:There was, but I can't find it now. The board games thread is your best bet a lot of the time. That said, hit me with what you got, I played a lot of Illuminati.
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dwarf74 posted:If they've done their time and they've rehabilitated, if they're in counseling or successfully concluded counseling, if the situation isn't going to give them opportunities for more offenses... Maybe at a game store? Definitely not in my house. I like to think so too, but a practical concern is that our system and culture are poo poo at actually rehabilitating people. It might be unfair, but I'm willing to err on the side of immediate avoidance of possible child abuse.
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Jul 9, 2014 21:31
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There's also the fact that I have to look to my own personal comfort, and (should it come up) the comfort of the rest of the people in the group. Now, if the store owner decides he doesn't want to address this at all? That's fine, it's ultimately his store. But at the game table run by Evil Mastermind, I have to look at how things will affect both myself the group I run games for.
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Jul 9, 2014 21:41
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Plague of Hats posted:I like to think so too, but a practical concern is that our system and culture are poo poo at actually rehabilitating people. It might be unfair, but I'm willing to err on the side of immediate avoidance of possible child abuse. Evil Mastermind doesn't feel cozy running a game for the sicko, so that's a good enough reason not to.
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Jul 9, 2014 21:52
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CapnAndy posted:Can groups transfer power up the power structure? And if so, how far? Like, if my Illuminati controls Group A and Group B, and Group A controls Group C and Group D, if Group A attacks, can C or D transfer their power to it for that attack? What if it was Group B making the attack? I believe it all flows downhill only, but it has been awhile.
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Jul 9, 2014 22:05
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Tulul posted:Eclipse Phase is a neat piece of fiction, but it's a pretty terrible game. I like having a certain degree of 'control' over the game's plot when I'm the GM. 'Storygames' are not my favorite thing and I do not enjoy angst in the slightest. Yes I realize that's heresy around here.
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:I like having a certain degree of 'control' over the game's plot when I'm the GM. 'Storygames' are not my favorite thing and I do not enjoy angst in the slightest. Yes I realize that's heresy around here. Trolling people with your dumbass poo poo is fine dude, but claiming you are a martyr to the persecution of others while you troll is probably giving away the goose, hoss.
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Jul 9, 2014 22:16
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Unless you're in the habit of railroading your players around, you have just as much control over the narrative as a GM in AW as you do in EP
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Yeah, if you like to exercise control over the game or say "gently caress you" as a GM, Hard Moves are a delicious steak with a loaded baked potato and perfectly buttered fresh asparagus.
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I was absolutely floored at how well the MC moves codified what I had already been doing and focused it into something I could consistently run with near 0 prep. Now I'm running DW for the guys I used to run 3.5 for in college. Helping to cure the D&D brain I caused. Feels good, man.
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Winson_Paine posted:I believe it all flows downhill only, but it has been awhile.
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Jul 9, 2014 23:18
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Gau posted:perfectly buttered fresh asparagus. Why did you have to ruin this perfectly good meal.
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Saguaro PI posted:Why did you have to ruin this perfectly good meal. That's it. You're on the Outrage Brigade's Enemies List.
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Winson_Paine posted:Trolling people with your dumbass poo poo is fine dude, but claiming you are a martyr to the persecution of others while you troll is probably giving away the goose, hoss. What the gently caress? I never said I was loving martyr and I don't loving go oh loving woe is me. Jesus Christ. I was implying that the predominant opinion here is that 'storygames are the best'. I disagree.
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:What the gently caress? You are wrong, fyi And I say this as someone who runs Pathfinder twice a week
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Jul 10, 2014 00:42
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A lot of people here like Eclipse Phase, but they're also totally willing to admit that the system it runs on is utter garbage 
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While some of the most vocal posters might be Glorious Swine Comrades, I think the prevailing opinion is more about making your game's goals explicit rather than assumed, and using that to create a system that specifically and competently pursues those goals. I would say this is something that Eclipse Phase fails at pretty hard.
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EP doesn't just fail, it takes a glorious triple flip swan dive directly into the concrete behind the diving board ladder.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Now, if the store owner decides he doesn't want to address this at all? That's fine, it's ultimately his store. But at the game table run by Evil Mastermind, I have to look at how things will affect both myself the group I run games for. If the owner doesn't want to do anything, call the cops. In most places you aren't allowed to be around minors if you're on the registry-- hell this forces many people into homelessness. Considering this scum likes kiddie porn, it's exactly what he deserves. And this guy is playing children's games, he's a real problem already. Get him locked up before he ruins someone else's life. rkajdi fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Jul 10, 2014 |
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Plague of Hats posted:That's it. You're on the Outrage Brigade's Enemies List. As the new head of the Outrage Brigade, I demand one of those gaudy general's jackets with huge epaulets and covered in medals...and the gold rimmed aviator shades. 
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Is there an interesting writeup somewhere about Eclipse Phase's failings(/successes?) as a system? I read the Fatal & Friends writeup of the game, a while back, but iirc it didn't go heavily into the mechanics.
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rkajdi posted:If the owner doesn't want to do anything, call the cops. In most places you aren't allowed to be around minors if you're on the registry-- hell this forces many people into homelessness. Considering this scum likes kiddie porn, it's exactly what he deserves. And this guy is playing children's games, he's a real problem already. Get him locked up before he ruins someone else's life. Evil Mastermind's rpg table is not a "children's game." It's creepy and wrong, but don't go that crazy about it.
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Arivia posted:Evil Mastermind's rpg table is not a "children's game." It's creepy and wrong, but don't go that crazy about it. I was talking about him playing Pokemon and Yu-gi-oh there. Those are kids games, and gets him with the exact group you don't want him near. Call the cops and ruin what's left of his life as best you can. Again, do it before he ruins another child's life.
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rkajdi posted:I was talking about him playing Pokemon and Yu-gi-oh there. Those are kids games, and gets him with the exact group you don't want him near. Call the cops and ruin what's left of his life as best you can. Again, do it before he ruins another child's life. Holy crap, he doesn't deserve to have his life ruined. He might have done something bad, he might have touched a kid, but no one deserves to have their life set on fire like you're proposing.
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rkajdi posted:I was talking about him playing Pokemon and Yu-gi-oh there. Those are kids games, and gets him with the exact group you don't want him near. Call the cops and ruin what's left of his life as best you can. Again, do it before he ruins another child's life. Okay, I kind of understand where you're getting this, from but I assumed that Evil Mastermind posted:I'll talk to the store owner about it when I see him. He does Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon various nights, so he'd want to know. the 'he' who does Yu-gi-oh and Pokemon is the store owner and not the convicted sex offender.
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Also, just saying, EM said that the store runs YGO and Pokemans, not that the dude attends them edit: Beaten
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PleasingFungus posted:Is there an interesting writeup somewhere about Eclipse Phase's failings(/successes?) as a system? I read the Fatal & Friends writeup of the game, a while back, but iirc it didn't go heavily into the mechanics. LatwPIAT posted:No, the system is quite terrible after character generation too. It just happens to be terrible in ways role playing gamers have been inured to. In addition to all of this plus probably some other stuff, the number one and number two criticisms of Eclipse Phase as a game are: A). Character creation is a fiddly, overly convoluted pain in the rear end in a very Shadowrun sort of way. B). Tying into the first problem is the fact that the game strongly rewards/encourages players to sink lots of resources into building super-custom bodies crammed full of gizmos and bonuses and then do everything in their power to never have to resleeve despite "Your body is hardware, change it" being one of the game's big taglines. In addition to the obvious ludonarrative dissonance another issue this causes is it makes the wide selection of morphs available increasingly pointless since once you've finished customizing your super-body there's vanishingly little difference between a morph designed for combat and one designed for zero-g and one designed for Hollywood elite. Like LatwPIAT says, Eclipse Phase is one of the 90s-est games to come out in recent years.
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Arivia posted:Holy crap, he doesn't deserve to have his life ruined. He might have done something bad, he might have touched a kid, but no one deserves to have their life set on fire like you're proposing. Like hell. He's a sex offender, for having naked pictures of children or child rape. He didn't get it from pissing outside or even flashing people, it's for kiddie porn. You want people like that separated from children, because you obviously can't trust them around children. He's showing up around kids (unless it's all adults playing kids' anime cards games, which I doubt) which is possibly a violation since he's on the offender list. He deserves exactly to have his life set on fire, because he's done the same or worse to innocent children. But I guess we should all be the better people and let him start grooming kids out in public instead of just notifying the cops and seeing if he's done anything illegal (hint he probably has) Just the police talking with him might have him get the idea that he should avoid being in places where kids are. Screw his life, he had the choice to go to a shrink to get treated instead of collecting kiddie porn. He's obviously not fit to be around children at all. EDIT: Even if he's not playing games with kids, he shouldn't be places that children frequent. If it ruins his life, so be it.
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Arivia posted:Holy crap, he doesn't deserve to have his life ruined. He might have done something bad, he might have touched a kid, but no one deserves to have their life set on fire like you're proposing.
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Did you really miss the part where those games just are held at the store and nowhere was it stated that the dude attends them? Sure, he's scum, but going all scorched earth vigilante over WELL CHILDREN ATTEND THE SAME PLACE AT DIFFERENT TIMES is sorta dumb man
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