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Palmer is 100% motivated by a combination of self-aggrandisement, corporate profits and spite, but those things might just work in the favour of the country, amazingly enough. I will believe it when I see it though; this could all still just be trying to build up his negotiating position.
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SadisTech posted:Palmer is 100% motivated by a combination of self-aggrandisement, corporate profits and spite, but those things might just work in the favour of the country The scary part about spite working in favour of the country is that the only reason it can is that the Liberal party are so bad that Palmer acting to spite them works out for the better. This is not a good thing.
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It's interesting that there is a lot of discussion on regressive measures when it comes to pollution issues. I agree that a fuel excise is a regressive measure but at the moment people are consuming and burning fuel at a rate far below what the world economy is paying for it. The downside of producing that amount of pollution *should* be the cost of it, supporting the idea of a carbon tax. Unfortunately when it comes to people the majority of us have a minimum emissions level, that is produced in every day life, so as soon as we start taxing this impact on the environment it is a regressive tax. I'm still personally not sure what position the greens should take. To say "we won't negotiate" is definitely the wrong call. To link % of the money raised to public transport infrastructure is the right one. If the decision though is between either no fuel excise or fuel excise going to 100% roads, on the balance I'd have to say no fuel excise as it will protect Australians more and the greens should be pushing "We want to tax big polluters, not everyday Australians for emissions!"
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quote:To be clear, Palmer was upset apparently because once the senate went into its committee phase, which is happening now until 11.50am, NEW amendments cannot be introduced. That is, he had no hope of getting his power price guarantee up. hooman posted:It's interesting that there is a lot of discussion on regressive measures when it comes to pollution issues. I agree that a fuel excise is a regressive measure but at the moment people are consuming and burning fuel at a rate far below what the world economy is paying for it. The downside of producing that amount of pollution *should* be the cost of it, supporting the idea of a carbon tax. Unfortunately when it comes to people the majority of us have a minimum emissions level, that is produced in every day life, so as soon as we start taxing this impact on the environment it is a regressive tax. This is why the best action, if market mechanisms absolutely have to be a thing, is instituting a market mechanism with a low-income subsidy. Ultimately the cost to SOCIETY of carbon emissions has to rise, but that doesn't mean the cost has to be entirely borne by low-income earners.
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Jul 10, 2014 02:17
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quote:Clive Palmer says the PUP has been "double-crossed" and warns senators may not vote to repeal the carbon tax. 
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SadisTech posted:Palmer is 100% motivated by a combination of self-aggrandisement, corporate profits and spite, but those things might just work in the favour of the country, amazingly enough. I will believe it when I see it though; this could all still just be trying to build up his negotiating position. It's just that acting according to Palmer's self interest, spite and self-aggrandisement is less against the interests of the nation than LNP policy. It'll still be poo poo.
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"Appalling and insensible: China rebukes Abbott for praising Japan's WWII skills posted:"We admired the skill and the sense of honour that they brought to their task although we disagreed with what they did. Perhaps we grasped, even then, that with a change of heart the fiercest of opponents could be the best of friends," Mr Abbott said. What a blundering loving idiot. Forget for a second the endless list of atrocities committed by the Japanese against our neighbours, how about you know, the treatment of Australian servicemen on the Burma Railway or the Sandakan Death Marches?
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Jul 10, 2014 02:21
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Tony's admiring their ideas on how to treat foreigners.
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Jul 10, 2014 02:26
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Also what the gently caress is Palmer doing.
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Jul 10, 2014 02:26
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Australia has worked hard for a couple of decades to have some degree of international relevance and Abbott is going to completely undo all of that by the time he's out of office.
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Jul 10, 2014 02:28
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Those On My Left posted:Palmer's giving a press conference saying his senators are going to vote against the repeal of the carbon tax. Oh my god
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Kim Jong ill posted:What a blundering loving idiot. Forget for a second the endless list of atrocities committed by the Japanese against our neighbours, how about you know, the treatment of Australian servicemen on the Burma Railway or the Sandakan Death Marches? Tone Deaf Tony, not only pissing off most of the rest of Asia, maybe watch Changi.
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Kim Jong ill posted:What a blundering loving idiot. Forget for a second the endless list of atrocities committed by the Japanese against our neighbours, how about you know, the treatment of Australian servicemen on the Burma Railway or the Sandakan Death Marches? Holy loving poo poo.
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Seriously what the loving gently caress is wrong with that man
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Kim Jong ill posted:What a blundering loving idiot. Forget for a second the endless list of atrocities committed by the Japanese against our neighbours, how about you know, the treatment of Australian servicemen on the Burma Railway or the Sandakan Death Marches? Wonder what the old diggers at the rooty hill rsl think of this.
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Jul 10, 2014 02:37
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Also after passing a gag on debate, Matthias Corman is now filibustering debate up until the vote deadline. Democracy.
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I'm not sure if at this point, Tony is just taking the piss out of everyone or he's seriously got no idea that he's managing to offside PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE IN THE WORLD. Way to poo poo in the face of WWII vets, you dumb fuckstick.
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Look, if members of the imperial japanese army didn't act with honour while performing vivisections and weapons tests on captured civilians they wouldn't have been welcomed with open arms into the top echelons of the japanese post-war business community.
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Jul 10, 2014 02:43
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I remain convinced that Abbott is completely unable to comprehend the concept that people are able to hear the things he says despite them not being the people he is directly saying them to. It's some kind of weird object permanence deficiency.
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Jul 10, 2014 02:44
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I wonder if Palmer voted for the gag this morning just so he could put himself in this position. Now he can rush through whatever he wants with significantly more leverage, the alternative being the government can go get hosed.
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Government-PUP huddle has just broken up and Palmer is playing hard ball. His last words apparently: "That's OK, the government can take it back to the reps (house of reps) next week." 
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Jul 10, 2014 02:45
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Freudian Slip posted:Government-PUP huddle has just broken up and Palmer is playing hard ball. His last words apparently: honestly wouldn't be surprised if jacqui lambe and one of the others voted yes anyway.
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Gough Suppressant posted:honestly wouldn't be surprised if jacqui lambe and one of the others voted yes anyway. Don't hash my buzz man But yeah that is a possibility 
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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...0709-zt1rf.htmlquote:Australia will stand up to China to defend peace, liberal values and the rule of law, says Foreign Minister Julie Bishop. What on earth do these idiots think they're doing? This poo poo seems reckless.
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Jul 10, 2014 02:52
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If being nice to China caused the mining boom, then talking poo poo about them will cause Mining Boom 2: Boom Harder.
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Aaronicon posted:I'm torn. I'm a Greens member that lives in a rural area, so actually decently built roads are one of the things we genuinely need, as well as the public transport options to use them. Making fuel more expensive here would just penalise people, as there's no real alternative than a car to travel more than 15 minutes from wherever you are - and there are communities hours apart from each other that only see a connecting bus route once or twice a week. Obviously cycling from Mudgee to Dubbo isn't really viable, but we do have shitloads of abandoned railway infrastructure that's constantly being ignored and touted as 'the next big thing to bring back!' but is invariably again abandoned when the costs are tallied to revive it. Being from around that area myself (Gulgong) I always wondered why they didn't revive part of the Gwabegar line, given how many people that lived in Gulgong worked in Mudgee. I'm looking at the old railway maps and it's insane how much of the state was covered, and it's a shame that there aren't services like that running.
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Wait, has anyone done study into whether reptiles have the ability for object permanence??? It's all falling into place
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Amethyst posted:http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...0709-zt1rf.html
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Jul 10, 2014 02:59
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Amethyst posted:http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...0709-zt1rf.html The Howard government was poo poo at this stuff for their first few years in office. Having no clue when it comes to world affairs is just the Liberal party way.
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Quantum Mechanic posted:
This is brilliant and hilarious, great find!
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quote:Someone is sing We Shall Overcome in the public gallery. He has quite a good voice before he is dragged out.
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rudatron posted:What the gently caress. We have nothing to gain from choosing sides in the Japan/China/Korea shitfest. We're not a hegemonic power like the US that could gain allies in the east pacific, because we aren't rich and large enough to warrant allies. We aren't geographically close enough to have a definite interest. This is like loving Poland talking up a big game in Israel/Palestine, it doesn't make any sense. Don't think of it in rational terms, think of it in base emotional ones. This is hawkish strutting to make the LNP and their conservative base feel smug and authoritative about not giving way to the yellow peril. Backed up, of course, by the certain knowledge that the fellow white christian US will have their backs if it came down to pushing. Knowledge that is losing currency by the day, I might add.
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Scylo posted:The Howard government was poo poo at this stuff for their first few years in office. Having no clue is just the Liberal party way. Someone please make a movie where a shy motoring enthusiast find his feet and together with a plucky but insane billionaire set out on a wonderful journey to save the nation from hordes of Bad Guys In Suits fostering in an impending global apocalypse. Also Palmer, please stop making it so hard to hate you. It'll just make the betrayal sting all the more.
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Kim Jong ill posted:What a blundering loving idiot. Forget for a second the endless list of atrocities committed by the Japanese against our neighbours, how about you know, the treatment of Australian servicemen on the Burma Railway or the Sandakan Death Marches? Wow, the nationalists here are gonna love hearing that poo poo from another country for once. This is totally Japan's narrative of itself; why is Tony regurgitating it? Does he want Abe to like him or something? Plus everyone's especially touchy right now (re: Japan and war) because Abe's government has recently shaved the pointy bits off Article 9 (the pacifism bit of the Japanese constitution). I guess Abbott's happy to lend a hand to a fellow right-wing fuckhead rushing through unpopular policies without a mandate. EDIT: What I mean I guess is that Abbott's statements may likely be interpreted as an endorsement of Abe's Article 9 fuckery. On purpose or not, I dunno, but either way, what a bozo. Chicken Parmigiana fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Jul 10, 2014 |
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Jesus. Even if Australians can't empathise with the Chinese who suffered under Japanese imperialism, he should at least realise that Australian POWs were also horribly mistreated by the Japanese. You know, like my Grandfather for example.Lata jie posted:In regards to the fuel issue.. can we look into the government maybe adding an incentive towards people wanting to buy an electronic vehicle? It would cut out a whole heap of pollution, and while I know that at this point, the distance of these cars isn't that great, this won't always be the case. Or one could end up with an infrastructure with multiple charge points along the way.. I'm dreaming. (And I would really really like to own an EV, however the current price tag is slightly out of my reach)
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Guardian posted:Palmer played down any suggestions that the confusion was his fault. Gold.
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