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amishbuttermaster posted:I love how, for decades, the Right has been going on and on about "Won't someone think of the children!" and then when there are actually children to think about the response is to execute them here or send them back to their home countries to let gangs do the job. They're not white children born to MARRIED Protestant parents.
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Taerkar posted:I knew things got really ugly, but GODDAMN that's bad. In that first week after 9/11 if the president had said, "gently caress it, we're just going to nuke the bastards" I'd have been deeply cool with it. We all went a little mad for a while, some people didn't come back from it.
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FAUXTON posted:Art isn't vandalism. Just trying to launch us into the stupidest derail of the month right here, eh? If you're serious, bring it over to the chat thread and I can post documentaries about New York in the 80's and you can post definitions and the philosophical implications of property rights. It'll be fun, although I can't promise any of it's not been said before or that your available arguments hold a lot of water.
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Warmachine posted:http://www.marketwatch.com/story/2000-days-of-obama-how-have-stocks-done-2014-07-11?dist=lcountdown *Lets ignore for a minute that historically the economy does better under the Democrats than Republicans. http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2012/10/10/want-a-better-economy-history-says-vote-democrat/ quote:* Personal disposable income has grown nearly 6 times more under Democratic presidents
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Instead of taking about the overlap between graffiti and art, let's talk about the speech Obama gave in Austin yesterday (transcript linked): http://kxan.com/2014/07/10/full-speech-president-obama-in-austin/ I know he is on the campaign trail leading up to the midterms, but good God. He just tears into the GOP's congressional delegation. This was a really good read.
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Grundulum posted:Instead of taking about the overlap between graffiti and art, let's talk about the speech Obama gave in Austin yesterday (transcript linked): Here's the video; http://www.c-span.org/video/?320376-1/president-obama-jobs-economy It starts off slow, but by the end he's leaning over the podium and ripping into the Republican congress for not doing anything. Obama posted:And I want to work with them. I don’t expect them to agree with me on everything, but at least agree with me on the things that you used to say you were for before I was for them.
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Jul 11, 2014 18:04
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So Obama just cribbed from Gil John's speech from Alpha House. I'm very okay with this.
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Zeroisanumber posted:In that first week after 9/11 if the president had said, "gently caress it, we're just going to nuke the bastards" I'd have been deeply cool with it. We all went a little mad for a while, some people didn't come back from it. Confession time: I went back in my journal to confirm this and like a day after, I was convinced we were going to end up nuking someone over the WTC attacks, just wasn't sure (yet) who was going to get glassed. Ballz posted:So after screaming bloody murder over Obama needing to "do something" about the border, the House GOP have finally responded to Obama's $3.7 billion request. You'll never guess what it is! Heard a brief report on that on NPR this morning, which was depressingly predictable. "The President must do something about the border crisis, but we'll be goddamned if we appropriate a single red cent to enable him to do so!"
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greatn posted:I'm curious, why does the house have to all go in one room to vote anyway? Nothing, really. The House of Commons manages to vote without all being in the same room and they seem to get on alright. There's really no reason at all that the whole process couldn't be handled remotely these days. It's not as if any actual debate goes on in the chamber anyhow. There are no impassioned speeches that make people change their minds in the chamber, there's no informative or constructive debate happening, when everyone walks in, they've already decided how they're voting. All the real business of congress happens outside the chamber anyhow, so you may as well cement that into the process. FAUXTON posted:Tradition, basically. A lot of America's worst vices can be summed up in that word. So, yeah, this basically.
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amishbuttermaster posted:I love how, for decades, the Right has been going on and on about "Won't someone think of the children!" and then when there are actually children to think about the response is to execute them here or send them back to their home countries to let gangs do the job. Clearly, you don't understand. Non-American children aren't real children, they're miniature terrorists.
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Zwabu posted:The "Obama MUST GO TO THE BORDER" is just another in a long string of right wing attempts to bring him "to heel" by making him do a thing, dating all the way back to the 2008 campaign with McCain trying to make him attend a schedule of debates etc. devised by McCain, trying to get him to suspend his campaign etc., and there have been intermittent efforts by others in this regard. poo poo won't stop until 2016. And if he did it they'd say he was a political opportunist looking for camera time and attempting to help get immigration reform going.
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Hello Sailor posted:Clearly, you don't understand. Non-American children aren't real children, they're miniature terrorists. Aw, I figured out what I was doing wrong. I was using empathy and feeling compassion. Now I see where they're coming from. It'd be nice to hear a GOP position about something like this that isn't mustache-twirling evil.
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InequalityGodzilla posted:Any suggestions as to which organization I should be helping out, exactly? What would that volunteer work entail, since I've never done that sort of thing before? Would I be going door to door with flyers, manning a call center, organizing files, what? Usually they want you to cold call and canvass, since no one wants to do that stuff.
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BiggerBoat posted:Usually they want you to cold call and canvass, since no one wants to do that stuff. As a former UNICEF canvasser, get used to being told to sod off while working those jobs 
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Zeroisanumber posted:In that first week after 9/11 if the president had said, "gently caress it, we're just going to nuke the bastards" I'd have been deeply cool with it. We all went a little mad for a while, some people didn't come back from it. Same here, and it's really one of the beliefs I'm most ashamed I had as a dumbass young kid going into his teenage years. Being a hardcore libertarian is the other. 
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Kitfox88 posted:Same here, and it's really one of the beliefs I'm most ashamed I had as a dumbass young kid going into his teenage years. Being a hardcore libertarian is the other. Hey now we all had really stupid ideas back when we were teenagers.
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Hey Girl posted:*Lets ignore for a minute that historically the economy does better under the Democrats than Republicans. And that is why I pay for a magazine subscription even when Steve Forbes' opinion piece is heavily slanted these days. Good journalism in the face of partisan agenda is precious. The worst part is that most of the time when I want to throw this in a republican's face, they respond with durr hurr liberal propaganda. I need to remember my Forbes for those moments. Oh, yeah, the asterisk was a boiler plate against the strategy I would have used to attack the article. I wholeheartedly agree with the data presented.  Beowulfs_Ghost posted:Here's the video;  I missed these. Again, it must be great to not have to worry about your future political career and just start dropping mics and popping collars all day. I had to hit the rewind button when the guy in the crowd yelled "Yeah!" to "Impeach him."Obama posted:Really? Kitfox88 posted:Same here, and it's really one of the beliefs I'm most ashamed I had as a dumbass young kid going into his teenage years. Being a hardcore libertarian is the other. I was drinking some hard core neocon Kool-Aid back after 9/11. Going through an NJROTC program during the height of the Bush years didn't help. My former instructor that I keep in touch with wonders how I ended up where I am now politically. To which I reply, "You." And then I quote Karl Rove's infamous line about too much education. (Said instructor had a fondness for pushing higher education prior to 2008. Obama was elected three months after I graduated high school. Recently he expressed concern with how his son might not be able to resist hauling off on some pinko-liberal professor.)
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copper rose petal posted:When the canvas doesn't belong to you, it is. Does this count public areas? Cheekio posted:Just trying to launch us into the stupidest derail of the month right here, eh? I don't think it tops the list but I was expecting you to shoot for it with mick foley forever or fishmech style shitposting about graffiti artists being tarred with the label of vandal like it was at all relevant to some rear end in a top hat's spraypaint on what may even be their own campaign signs. FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Jul 11, 2014 |
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Jul 11, 2014 19:55
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Confession time: I went back in my journal to confirm this and like a day after, I was convinced we were going to end up nuking someone over the WTC attacks, just wasn't sure (yet) who was going to get glassed. Until I find the "Iraq war predictions" thread in the archives I can continue to live in blissful ignorance of how bad I was back then. Granted that mostly by 2004 I was into realizing that 'Holy poo poo, this poo poo is hosed up'.
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Taerkar posted:Until I find the "Iraq war predictions" thread in the archives I can continue to live in blissful ignorance of how bad I was back then. Granted that mostly by 2004 I was into realizing that 'Holy poo poo, this poo poo is hosed up'. When the beating of war drums for Iraq got louder than the actual fighting in Afghanistan is when I sobered up, but yeah it's not exactly a period I remember without cringing at my own foolishness. Amazing what a little fear can make you into. At least I don't think I posted anything particularly embarrassing/jingoistic, which is of course the really important thing.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:When the beating of war drums for Iraq got louder than the actual fighting in Afghanistan is when I sobered up, but yeah it's not exactly a period I remember without cringing at my own foolishness. Amazing what a little fear can make you into. Mine was worse. I started parroting talk radio before I got into the Alex Jones conspiracy crowd.  I went WAY conservative before I woke up.Now I'm more liberal than my parents (but that's not saying much these days).
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Zeroisanumber posted:In that first week after 9/11 if the president had said, "gently caress it, we're just going to nuke the bastards" I'd have been deeply cool with it. We all went a little mad for a while, some people didn't come back from it. BiggerBoat posted:Usually they want you to cold call and canvass, since no one wants to do that stuff. Jerry Manderbilt posted:As a former UNICEF canvasser, get used to being told to sod off while working those jobs
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So if I understand this correctly, Boehner is suing because Obama did not enforce the law that he wants repealed?
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:So if I understand this correctly, Boehner is suing because Obama did not enforce the law that he wants repealed? Yes. Go to vox.com, they have two articles on it that explain everything. It may be a move by Boehner to prevent an impeachment fiasco. edit: Vox.com link for the lazy. radical meme fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Jul 11, 2014 |
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radical meme posted:Yes. Go to vox.com, they have two articles on it that explain everything. It may be a move by Boehner to prevent an impeachment fiasco. It's cute how Boehner still thinks red meat placates the wing nuts. If anything the threat/existence of a lawsuit will just be reason 975 to impeach the Tyrant.
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InequalityGodzilla posted:It feels strange to think about but I was right on the edge of the age group that was too young to really be affected by it. I was only just nine years old when the towers fell and the most that I remember of that day was getting dragged out of school midway through the day by my mum, wondering what the big deal was. It's strange to think that there's a whole group of people just becoming old enough to vote around now who were probably too young to even remember that day, let alone how everyone acted in the aftermath. They just have to deal with the aftershocks. I was nine too, but I was a really obnoxious nine-year-old who paid attention to the news so I was all in for the "us vs. them, they hate us for our freedoms" mentality and I thought we should just bomb the middle east, all of it, whatever. I was all in for the Iraq invasion when I was 11 too, because my expert geopolitical analysis was that we would bring democracy and be greeted as liberators.
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I was 18 on 9/11. When I first saw the towers on fire on TV my first thought was "Welp, the next 10 or 20 years will basically be the movie The Siege (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0133952/) and everyone is going to vote Republican, listen to country music, get really xenophobic, and jerk off to the American flag. Things are going to suck very bad, for a long time, because of a little localized destruction."
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Alexzandvar posted:Same thing with all minorities really, Republicans will continue to alienate people as long as they treat them as well, aliens. Why don't you lazy, welfare mooching, illegal anchor baby, effeminate, godless socialist promiscuous slut terrorists like us? We're today's GOP.
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I read a front page article by Lowtax about why we should invade Iraq for a high school forensic speaking competition.
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So is there even remotely a grain of truth to this? I can't find anywhere else talking about it besides Breitbart and lolbreitbart. I already have relatives trying to use it to justify why we should impeach the fucker and send them all back to mexico and  quote:MCALLEN, Texas—Illegal aliens are being allowed to fly on commercial airliners without valid identification, according to the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC). “The aliens who are getting released on their own recognizance are being allowed to board and travel commercial airliners by simply showing their Notice to Appear forms,” NBPC’s Local 2455 Spokesman, Hector Garza, told Breitbart Texas.
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Kitfox88 posted:So is there even remotely a grain of truth to this? I can't find anywhere else talking about it besides Breitbart and lolbreitbart. I already have relatives trying to use it to justify why we should impeach the fucker and send them all back to mexico and
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Dystram posted:I was 18 on 9/11. So you were wrong because that only lasted 5 years.
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SubponticatePoster posted:Let's see, does the TSA or HLS say "yep, we allow people from foreign countries to board airplanes with just this lovely piece of paper when we don't allow American Citizens to do it?" No? Then it's horseshit. Nonsense posted:It must be true I read it on Breitbart! I've tried common sense before and I need something a bit more iron than that sadly to prove people I know wrong about this poo poo. They're still racist in other ways but hell, I managed to turn my mom into a disgruntled left wing person who hates both dems and repubs so maybe I can work a miracle a second time. edit: lol nevermind the official TSA twitter is talking about how it's all bullshit https://twitter.com/TSAmedia_RossF Kitfox88 fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Jul 11, 2014 |
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I was 19 (by 10 days) on 9/11. I remember thinking how this could definitely lead to war and, while I was not a fan of Bush, his speech on the night it happened was extremely moving to my 19 year old self. I have not watched it again to see if it still holds the emotion that time can weaken. I was not into politics yet but I was in the junior year of my social studies teaching certification program so I at least had some connection to it. The next semester I took an upper level History of Terrorism class which opened up world history like never before and I, on the global scale, become more left leaning when it came to wars and aid packages. The Iraq war pushed me to libertarianism and I was the only one out of 6 roommates who opposed the war. It was not until I became a teacher at an alternative ed school that I became domestically left leaning. I saw what poverty did and what caused it. After Obama's election, I saw the anger and hatred within the conservative movements and I have went even further to the left to at least Socialism. Current topic: Boehner knows that this is just to stave off an impeachment ("Don't try to impeach, let me have the lawsuit go through first. If it wins, then we have final nail to push the impeachment.") His choice of the Obamacare employer mandate is full proof of that. It is the easiest to defend against as the Vox article points out. The administration can point out that complicated laws take time and this portion needed more time. If the administration really wanted to troll the conservatives, they can say that if Congress truthfully had an issue with this delay, they could have simply repealed the law outright.
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radical meme posted:Yes. Go to vox.com, they have two articles on it that explain everything. It may be a move by Boehner to prevent an impeachment fiasco. All I got from that link was that this might be the most awkward photo I've seen of either the president or the speaker: http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/assets/4679807/11665041405_0263dbba99_o.jpg
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Kitfox88 posted:I've tried common sense before and I need something a bit more iron than that sadly to prove people I know wrong about this poo poo. They're still racist in other ways but hell, I managed to turn my mom into a disgruntled left wing person who hates both dems and repubs so maybe I can work a miracle a second time. I haven't seen anything until I did a google search just now. It doesn't matter if its the truth or not, it's probably not or it's probably a variation of the real truth, because all of the usual right wing talking heads have picked it up and are running with it. The only news hits I saw were for Brietbart, The Blaze, Rush Limbaugh and so on. I'm sure if you tune into Mark Levin right now he's probably going with it also. Even if it turns out to be a complete lie, these people will never walk it back or admit fault. Cheekio posted:All I got from that link was that this might be the most awkward photo I've seen of either the president or the speaker: http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/assets/4679807/11665041405_0263dbba99_o.jpg I saw that earlier. It looks like they're breaking up and Boehner's about to cry, again. radical meme fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Jul 11, 2014 |
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