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Leroy Diplowski
Aug 25, 2005

The Candyman Can :science:

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zoux posted:

Did any of you cool Christian teens ever listen to Carmen?

Holy poo poo, yes. Thanks for bringing back a flood of memories.

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razorrozar
Feb 21, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Cheekio posted:

What's that thing called where you put an expert of one field into a field they know nothing about, but they still think they're hot poo poo and make a bunch of bad decisions? It's like Summers' Paradox or something.

Dunning-Kruger effect?

Bob James
Nov 15, 2005

by Lowtax
Ultra Carp
Here is one of the earliest influences on ska:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Od7hCZ6gG8

Just speed it up and add white people. That was ska in the 90's.

pangstrom
Jan 25, 2003

Wedge Regret

razorrozar posted:

Dunning-Kruger effect?
That's when incompetent people (e.g. people bad at cognition) are also incompetent at knowing they're incompetent (e.g. bad at metacognition).

I don't know if there is a named effect for "expert overconfidence in domains outside their expertise" (or even if such an effect has been demonstrated), but if I could pick one I would call it the "being an economist effect".

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Avshalom posted:

I love Leonard Cohen like the father I never had, and I've also been listening to a lot of new-wave klezmer.
Have you tried some L'Orkestrina?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iUHW2yzErQ

quote:

I know posting random images isn't the done thing in DnD, but I was charmed by this frog and wanted to share it.



It is an adorable frog. :frogbon:

pangstrom posted:

That's when incompetent people (e.g. people bad at cognition) are also incompetent at knowing they're incompetent (e.g. bad at metacognition).

I don't know if there is a named effect for "expert overconfidence in domains outside their expertise" (or even if such an effect has been demonstrated), but if I could pick one I would call it the "being an economist effect".

Nassim Taleb Syndrome. :newt:

By the way, various friends of that unpalatable friend I was arguing with on Facebook (people in the I/P and Fw:Fw:Fw: threads may know what I'm talking about) have found that they have amazing insights into the world after taking a lot of drugs. So I have invented a new term: Drug-Induced Dunning-Kruger.

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS
Re: Old people music those youngsters don't know nothing about: Hypbrid Theory was released in 2000. There are adults who can vote, drive and drink who will not have listened to the corresponding genre during their teenagerhood.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

What do teens even listen to nowadays? What do the kids that would've listened to grunge/alternative in 1993 listen to now?

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!
There are still a couple good ska bands out there, by which mostly I mean Streetlight Manifesto (which is also a fairly D&D ska band). I don't mind posting tons of links to their music because they've officially broken ranks with their record company (:patriot:)

Links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GTICPoh3aQ -- this one is about global warming or something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlWFbDpJgyw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFEYPXheiiM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF0e865HiSA-- I can't resist a good off-genre cover


zoux posted:

What do teens even listen to nowadays? What do the kids that would've listened to grunge/alternative in 1993 listen to now?

Dubstep etc. There's a rash of very talented young pop stars that the kids just love. Remember that guy who did the Super Bowl halftime show who wasn't the Red Hot Chili Peppers? He's one.

e: Fixed the link; I am a dumb :downs:

loquacius fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jul 14, 2014

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

zoux posted:

What do teens even listen to nowadays? What do the kids that would've listened to grunge/alternative in 1993 listen to now?

I recently was going to make a joke about edgy angsty teenagers listening to Korn when I realized that they haven't been big in over a decade. One of those "oh poo poo, I'm getting old" moments.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

loquacius posted:

Dubstep etc. There's a rash of very talented young pop stars that the kids just love. Remember that guy who did the Super Bowl halftime show who wasn't the Red Hot Chili Peppers? He's one.

I don't think the disaffected, cynical youths who sneak off behind the dumpsters to smoke a joint at lunch are listening to Bruno Mars.

Swan Oat
Oct 9, 2012

I was selected for my skill.
I think the teens these days are listening to EDM or something. Dance and pop music have basically merged, every time I listen to the radio I feel like I'm in da club.

Pope Guilty posted:

Zao weren't bad. A bit more on the metal end of hardcore than I ever liked (being a huge Black Flag/Dead Kennedys fan as a teenager) but I heard their shows were amazing.

...I had too many albums released by Tooth and Nail.

I still listen to Zao from time to time and appreciated them for being closer to metal than hardcore since I am a metal liking person. good poo poo either way imo


e: What do you turn down for, Debate Disco posters?

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.
I remember at my high school all the girls were into KPOP by the time I was in junior/senior year

razorrozar
Feb 21, 2012

by Cyrano4747

pangstrom posted:

That's when incompetent people (e.g. people bad at cognition) are also incompetent at knowing they're incompetent (e.g. bad at metacognition).

I don't know if there is a named effect for "expert overconfidence in domains outside their expertise" (or even if such an effect has been demonstrated), but if I could pick one I would call it the "being an economist effect".

I knew it wasn't exact, but I figured it was close enough to act as a catch-all.

Bob James
Nov 15, 2005

by Lowtax
Ultra Carp

zoux posted:

What do teens even listen to nowadays? What do the kids that would've listened to grunge/alternative in 1993 listen to now?

They still listen to Rage Against the Machine.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Swan Oat posted:

I think the teens these days are listening to EDM or something. Dance and pop music have basically merged, every time I listen to the radio I feel like I'm in da club.


I still listen to Zao from time to time and appreciated them for being closer to metal than hardcore since I am a metal liking person. good poo poo either way imo


e: What do you turn down for, Debate Disco posters?

Everything. Well, except for rap and country. In fact, I refer to rap as crap!

Cercadelmar
Jan 4, 2014
Only rap and country. But no country rap

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

100% Valerie Collective and associated Italo Disco acts.

razorrozar
Feb 21, 2012

by Cyrano4747

zoux posted:

Everything. Well, except for rap and country. In fact, I refer to rap as crap!

I like stuff like The Lonely Island or Weird Al, or any parody/humor rap, but regular rap can take a long walk off a short pier.

Bob James posted:

They still listen to Rage Against the Machine.



I unironically do but I'll be 23 next month so I probably don't count.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

razorrozar posted:

I like stuff like The Lonely Island or Weird Al, or any parody/humor rap,

:ughh:

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Randler posted:

Re: Old people music those youngsters don't know nothing about : Hypbrid Theory was released in 2000. There are adults who can vote, drive and drink who will not have listened to the corresponding genre during their teenagerhood.

I remember sneering at Linkin Park when they debuted as crappy pre-fabricated teen angst for mall punks that absolutely could not hold a candle to the alt/grunge rockers I'd listened to back in the 90s.

I was entirely right of course, but it does show I've aged a bit.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!

zoux posted:

I don't think the disaffected, cynical youths who sneak off behind the dumpsters to smoke a joint at lunch are listening to Bruno Mars.

Granted I was six years old in 1993, but as I understood it everybody was listening to grunge then, not just the types who would have listened to Linkin Park when I was in middle school. Nirvana played at the VMAs etc. Guess I read the question wrong :shrug:

Swan Oat
Oct 9, 2012

I was selected for my skill.

Cercadelmar posted:

Only rap and country. But no country rap

modern country has actually taken an odd turn in recent years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmZ9xRO7M9M

razorrozar
Feb 21, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Am I not allowed to have crap taste in music? :(

MarsDragon
Apr 27, 2010

"You've all learned something very important here: there are things in this world you just can't change!"

loquacius posted:

There are still a couple good ska bands out there, by which mostly I mean Streetlight Manifesto (which is also a fairly D&D ska band). I don't mind posting tons of links to their music because they've officially broken ranks with their record company (:patriot:)

Links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1_EwuMM-KI -- this one is about global warming or something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlWFbDpJgyw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFEYPXheiiM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF0e865HiSA-- I can't resist a good off-genre cover


Dubstep etc. There's a rash of very talented young pop stars that the kids just love. Remember that guy who did the Super Bowl halftime show who wasn't the Red Hot Chili Peppers? He's one.

Man I didn't know Spelunky was about global warming.


Streetlight Manifesto does own, though.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!

MarsDragon posted:

Man I didn't know Spelunky was about global warming.


Streetlight Manifesto does own, though.

Wow, my clipboard screwed up. :downs:

Here, this is the one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GTICPoh3aQ

Miltank
Dec 27, 2009

by XyloJW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhBte0LzahQ

country rap is good.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

loquacius posted:

Granted I was six years old in 1993, but as I understood it everybody was listening to grunge then, not just the types who would have listened to Linkin Park when I was in middle school. Nirvana played at the VMAs etc. Guess I read the question wrong :shrug:

I was 13 but I was also in christian school where I listened to DC Talk and thought that secular music lead to literal demon possession.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

zoux posted:

I was 13 but I was also in christian school where I listened to DC Talk and thought that secular music lead to literal demon possession.

Who says it doesn't? :getin:

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

razorrozar posted:

I like stuff like The Lonely Island or Weird Al, or any parody/humor rap, but regular rap can take a long walk off a short pier.

woosh

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I got in trouble one time because I was listening to Possum Kingdom and my mom overheard the part where the guy was yelling "DO YOU WANNA DIE".

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.
I still remember when I was 13 and starting 8th grade and my mom threw a huge loving fit when she saw me using MySpace.

e: also when I was like 6 I had a fundie great-aunt who was really angry at me for having a Pikachu doll, "don't you know evolution is wrong?!?"

razorrozar
Feb 21, 2012

by Cyrano4747

zoux posted:

I was 13 but I was also in christian school where I listened to DC Talk and thought that secular music lead to literal demon possession.

I went to church with a guy who refused to listen to anything non-Christian, but it was a personal choice on his part because he felt like it pulled him into sin too easily. I had to respect him just because he held himself to it so strictly.

Brute Squad
Dec 20, 2006

Laughter is the sun that drives winter from the human race


Swan Oat posted:

modern country has actually taken an odd turn in recent years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmZ9xRO7M9M


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSurzeGvPrQ

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!

zoux posted:

I got in trouble one time because I was listening to Possum Kingdom and my mom overheard the part where the guy was yelling "DO YOU WANNA DIE".

To be fair that is literally a song about a murder/necrophiliac.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

loquacius posted:

To be fair that is literally a song about a murder/necrophiliac.

I didn't know what it was about, I just liked it. I used to sit on the floor in front of my stereo listening to the radio with my finger on the record button so I could tape the songs I liked. That's what the world looked like before the internet kiddies.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
DID SOMEBODY SAY DC TALK

Like, seriously this song was loving huge in Christian music in the 90's. Completely inescapable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbB0QrBIs9k

e: Wikipedia says the video was directed by the same guy that did the video for "Hurt", which is an hilarious reminder of how mercenary the music industry is.

Pope Guilty fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Jul 14, 2014

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Before I click, is it Jesus Freak or I Love Rap Music?

e: it's the first one.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!

zoux posted:

I didn't know what it was about, I just liked it. I used to sit on the floor in front of my stereo listening to the radio with my finger on the record button so I could tape the songs I liked. That's what the world looked like before the internet kiddies.

Lawl, I'm only seven years younger than you and I didn't get into music until my older sister downloaded Napster on the family computer :v:

Cercadelmar
Jan 4, 2014

I knew what this would link to before I opened it.

LL Cool J, where did we go wrong?

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XyloJW
Jul 23, 2007

zoux posted:

I didn't know what it was about, I just liked it. I used to sit on the floor in front of my stereo listening to the radio with my finger on the record button so I could tape the songs I liked. That's what the world looked like before the internet kiddies.

Same here.

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