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Eldercain posted:Despite being one I don't really get the mechari. I was expecting them to be a little bit more robot-y and a little bit less basically a human with crystal hair. The fact that the player has no VO work probably doesn't help. That's why I don't play one. All you get is their running sound.
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Jul 14, 2014 19:48
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Eldercain posted:e:^^you mean the zerg. loving overmind and everything. Before the Zerg there existed the Tyranids. Before Raynor there existed the space marines. Before the Protoss there existed the Eldar. The concept of an overmind controlling any insectoid/zombie/melded race frightens the hell out of us because we, as humans, value our independence and uniqueness. Zombies. Borg. Aliens.
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Jul 14, 2014 19:52
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Eldercain posted:Just because it's presented as a united front doesn't mean it IS one. It's much more likely that's just the propoganda machine. Sure, but the hints of this are kinda scrappy and - again - inconsistent. The story is at odds with itself, and I don't feel that Carbine's writers are skilled enough that the ambiguity and contradictions are deliberate parts of the narrative.
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Jul 14, 2014 20:15
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Eldercain posted:Why do you need some champion of the ages to kill monkies? O I always took offense to whatever poo poo picking exercises the resident scat fetishist at blizzard had me do in whatever the latest expansion was. I've killed every big bad the world has to offer up until x point. Having me pick berry infused poo poo off the ground is a bit beneath me, and if I was some village bumblefuck I'd think twice before asking some skull helmed scarred plate covered dude riding a barely tamed dragon to go pick through ox dung. Because I'm not an idiot.
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Jul 14, 2014 20:17
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Look at it this way, are you going to take someone's word that they slew the Lich King or Stormtalon or are you going to ask them to pick up feces for you first and THEN believe them? Now, which of those is more amusing?
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Jul 14, 2014 20:18
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I didn't mean to spawn another "Dominion is weirdly written" discussion, my main point in bringing this up is that it sounds like a whole other vanilla-WOW Alliance/Horde deal, where the Alliance zones/story seemed to be made first, with the horde ones being made after as a seeming afterthought. Sounds like it seems that way with Exile/Dominion too? I know they were trying to mirror vanillia WOW in many ways, but drat if that was their goal they did a good job! To be honest they should have just done away with factions-- world PVP is stupid, and battlegrounds don't mean poo poo for factions, it is just one team against another, regardless of who is on the teams. They should have just let you toggle pvp on for yourself for world PVP (you against anyone else who wants to have it on) and then Warplots and battlegrounds are just random team versus random team. Rhymenoserous posted:I always took offense to whatever poo poo picking exercises the resident scat fetishist at blizzard had me do in whatever the latest expansion was. I've killed every big bad the world has to offer up until x point. Having me pick berry infused poo poo off the ground is a bit beneath me, and if I was some village bumblefuck I'd think twice before asking some skull helmed scarred plate covered dude riding a barely tamed dragon to go pick through ox dung. Because I'm not an idiot. Blizzard doesn't give a poo poo about how epic your character is versus how ~~~~funny~~~~ the poop quests are to Metzen or whoever is their resident 12 year old pre-teen boy on staff.
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Jul 14, 2014 20:20
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I skip most of those stupid task quests, except the people keep calling me. Hope they fix that poo poo soon.
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Jul 14, 2014 20:27
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jeeves posted:To be honest they should have just done away with factions-- world PVP is stupid, and battlegrounds don't mean poo poo for factions, it is just one team against another, regardless of who is on the teams. They should have just let you toggle pvp on for yourself for world PVP (you against anyone else who wants to have it on) and then Warplots and battlegrounds are just random team versus random team. Might be a controversial opinion, but I agree. They probably could have made world PVP work somehow even without two factions. Of course, this system was most likely part of their vision from day 1, and asking for anything significantly different would be like asking for a different game entirely. Oh well.
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Jul 14, 2014 20:29
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If you think about it from an implementation perspective, it's easier to have factions and then remove than to not have factions then add them.
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Jul 14, 2014 20:35
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folgore posted:Might be a controversial opinion, but I agree. They probably could have made world PVP work somehow even without two factions. This game's setting would have been perfect for no-factions gameplay-- you are a colonist/merc who makes your way to Nexus and while there you get to ally yourself with various NPC factions that you can raise your rep towards. The Dominion, Exiles, Protostar, etc. Plus you could group with anyone and do any zones' storyline-- especially if some zones stories were poorly written or horribly boring. This would have saved them the tired feeling of having multiple zones filter down into one zone for all races per faction, which saves them on having to make zones but already is behind what WOW did. I believe in Vanillia WOW there were still like 2x zones to level in per level group, you could pick one or the other-- it's just most did the easier/more quest dense one of the two leveling paths (Strangethorne Vale versus Desolace/Feralas) but still the option was nice. But then again it looks like their main goal was to do a fresh take on a lot of WOW's tired core gameplay mechanics without changing the tired and old part of them. jeeves fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Jul 14, 2014 |
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Jul 14, 2014 20:38
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jeeves posted:But then again it looks like their main goal was to do a fresh take on a lot of WOW's tired core gameplay mechanics without changing the tired and old part of them. They were probably trying to resurrect that us vs. them enmity that existed between Horde and Alliance back in olden WoW times. I guess those are good intentions, but I think it's an impossible goal to achieve in a modern themepark MMO. Besides the fact that players and their attitudes have evolved considerably since 2007, the (practically necessary) quality of life features like cross-server BGs undermine the sense of community that's needed to replicate those bygone days.
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Jul 14, 2014 20:52
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spend two hours fixing internet to have playable ping server crashes five minutes after finally fixed lmfao
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Jul 14, 2014 20:53
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So did Wildstar crash for anyone else?
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Jul 14, 2014 20:54
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Twitter chatter seems to indicate all the servers crashed
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Jul 14, 2014 20:55
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good to know
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Jul 14, 2014 20:56
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folgore posted:They were probably trying to resurrect that us vs. them enmity that existed between Horde and Alliance back in olden WoW times. I guess those are good intentions, but I think it's an impossible goal to achieve in a modern themepark MMO. Besides the fact that players and their attitudes have evolved considerably since 2007, the (practically necessary) quality of life features like cross-server BGs undermine the sense of community that's needed to replicate those bygone days. Pretty much this. The us-versus-them worked well but got tiresome and gameplay-wise hurt the game due to the fact that no one could queue for battlegrounds when like 80% of the game played one faction (alliance). So they did cross-server stuff to eliviate this, but in doing so made the whole faction stuff pretty obsolete. I understand their age old desire to have 'recognizable silhouettes' or some crap they always bring up, but the is something that matters in a FPS game where someone can kill you in a second like TF2, not in WOW. Oh yeah and they did away with that anyhow with the Pandaria race cop-out, since they finally admitted people just look at the red text above their names anyhow. Red text above names that Wildstar doesn't even have by default. Heh. Edit - I hate to sound like I am bitching a lot, I really am enjoying this game for the most part. I just wish it was better, as the setting/story/art are fantastic especially after 15 years of the same tired copies of high-fantasy MMOs. And the basic combat gameplay alone makes me wonder how dull going back to WOW might feel when that new expansion drops and everyone will be doing exactly that for a while. jeeves fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Jul 14, 2014 |
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Jul 14, 2014 20:57
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PaganGoatPants posted:On my second character I've been paying much more attention to the lore and it's not bad actually. It's entertaining enough. Not a big fan of THE STRAIN generic plague stuff though. I just put it all down as phazon from the Metroid Prime series, dressed my Chua up like a Galactic Federation marine, and called it a day. I can pretend Drusera is a Chozo ghost or something and whenever Carbine add in engineer bot customisation I'll just name one of them Samus and carry on with the story in my own head instead. 
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Jul 14, 2014 21:04
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That. Is awesome.
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jeeves posted:Blizzard doesn't give a poo poo about how epic your character is versus how ~~~~funny~~~~ the poop quests are to Metzen or whoever is their resident 12 year old pre-teen boy on staff. See, and in most mmo you do the same poo poo all the time no matter what with maybe one quest chain at the end that is supposed to give an  epic feeling to the player.Say I'm level 5 or something. Yeah ok I'm some little piece of poo poo and maybe I need to pick through poop for money. Maybe not in wildstar where you're like beamed out of an infinite core of cryostasis people for being a huge badass, but it could be ok if you had an mmo where you start as a nobody in a small town or something. I'm all for making players feel powerful, but power is relative, and if I'm already being lauded as an amazing specimen from level 1, then don't make do poo poo like that. Thematically, it is bullshit, moreso because there are a lot of quests where you actually are doing stuff that is seemingly important (eg picking through eldan ruins, helping settlers get a foot in the door against wildlife/exiles). Why am I needed to attatch radio collars to deer? And why, ITYOOL 2014 do we still have escort quests, let alone an entire zone that is an escort quest
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Jedit posted:Not to disturb your woobing, but you are aware that quote is a parody of Renton's opening monologue in Trainspotting and what he chose was heroin, right? Whoa no poo poo? And there I was just posting it completely unaware of the context that makes it amusing. Thanks to your condescending shitpost I now totally get the joke and feel bad because it was about drugs, which was in no way inferred by the prevalence of trippy psychedelic drugs my character just took by the same name in the same village or the play on the opening monologue of a popular movie I had obviously never seen.
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Wheeee posted:Whoa no poo poo? And there I was just posting it completely unaware of the context that makes it amusing. Oh snap. Drugs? I'm out of here.
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Jul 14, 2014 22:47
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Anasurimbur posted:Before the Zerg there existed the Tyranids. Before Raynor there existed the space marines. Before the Protoss there existed the Eldar. Except in this case it's the guys who wanted the silithid to be a warstarcraft franchise crossover finally responding with they own silithus.
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Jul 14, 2014 23:10
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Rhymenoserous posted:Oh snap. Drugs? I'm out of here. *insert Lopp party here*
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Jul 14, 2014 23:29
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Well, I found one good reason to be explorer. Piles of filthy lucre.
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Jul 14, 2014 23:45
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Chewbot posted:Well, I found one good reason to be explorer. "There must be more money!"
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0 deaths, 54 assist kills. You know what, PVP tanking is fun.  Pain in the rear end I need to PVP to get all those armorsmith achievement tab things filled out though. They annoy me so much when empty.
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I'm a little sad about my dungeon progress. I was expecting to be attuned by now but I haven't managed to get silver in even one dungeon yet. Admittedly I play on an RP server and I came here with just one person I know and I immediately started looking around for people who want to get attuned. We've had some luck and my tank gear is pretty good by now but no matter who I try to swap in for a silver run we always have one person who consistently fucks up and we end up wiping a lot. I'm thinking about moving to another server since Lightspire (EU) is pretty dead and the Dominion side is pretty much unpopulated at this point, it's a sad state of affairs 
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Jul 15, 2014 00:17
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So, while leveling, salvage or sell?
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Jul 15, 2014 00:33
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Just faced my first PVP hacker in Northern Wastes. Stalker that could attack from stealth constantly. 4 of us got him to 1% health then he goes back to full and can enter stealth whenever the gently caress he wants to in combat. 
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Jul 15, 2014 00:52
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El Kabong posted:So, while leveling, salvage or sell? Salvage will give you more money either way since you get Rune Fragments that are like 4g a piece on the auction house.
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Jul 15, 2014 00:54
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Jack Trades posted:Salvage will give you more money either way since you get Rune Fragments that are like 4g a piece on the auction house. Should have mentioned I'm level 21. Salvage still?
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El Kabong posted:Should have mentioned I'm level 21. Salvage still? You'll get the expensive runes at any level, though I think the rune types change they're all worth more than vendoring on average except maybe near 50.
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Jul 15, 2014 01:00
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I'm starting a Warrior alt and I want to do Mining + one kind of smithing. I'm assuming Armorsmithing is probably better endgame because you can craft the sets people are advertising in city all the time. Is there any demand for Weaponsmithing at max level?
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Bashez posted:I have to imagine that the way to level fastest is PVP with a premade, if queues are popping. 5-0 Walatiki wins go by real fast. It's INCREDIBLY repetative though. PvP is such an afterthought in Wildstar that I don't think I'm going to bother playing any more - I don't want to raid and I'm not sure what I'd do at level 50 without some decent PvP. It's nice that they're adding another battleground but seriously 3 of them is pretty poo poo. I think I'd find it okay if this was DAoC and battlegrounds were a new concept that they still needed to get their head around but as it is there's plenty of different templates, locations and goals to throw in there that they just haven't bothered to do. PvP also feels oddly slow and disconnected. I just can't put my finger on it. There's threads on the offical forums and on reddit about the same sort of thing too. People seem to take a bloody LONG time to die and that sort of stuff makes me feel like I'm not making a difference at all. I guess it's just another one of the strange quality of life things Wildstar has left out. While yes other battlegrounds would just be doing the stuff you're doing in the existing battlegrounds it's still nice to have a bit of variety.
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Taear posted:PvP also feels oddly slow and disconnected. I just can't put my finger on it. There's threads on the offical forums and on reddit about the same sort of thing too. People seem to take a bloody LONG time to die and that sort of stuff makes me feel like I'm not making a difference at all. Conversely, with any sort of voice coordination calling primary targets people are dead instantly.
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SumYungGui posted:Conversely, with any sort of voice coordination calling primary targets people are dead instantly. The thing is, the game is built around the disconnected "new MMOG" sort of thing with queueing systems for battlegrounds/dungeons/adventures and whatever, but the actual DESIGN of the game totally discourages the use of any of these things. Sometimes I haven't got time to make a premade, or else I'm too low level (I am too low level) and I'd be fine if the game just straight up went for "You cannot do these things in pick up groups" but it doesn't. It's like it's taunting you. I'd say like 60% of the posts on the offical forums are because of this disconnect.
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Warplots do look like fun, our Goon Squad warplot looks like a TF2 map, they made all this content for them but nobody ever does them because they require so many people queued at the same time.
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socialsecurity posted:Warplots do look like fun, our Goon Squad warplot looks like a TF2 map, they made all this content for them but nobody ever does them because they require so many people queued at the same time. Yea, they're a really nice idea but making them only max level and needing 80 people is pretty steep!
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I don't know what happened, but on my spellslinger alt I got stranded without quests at Level 48. I did exactly the same quest hubs as on my Medic that never got stranded.
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