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Ratpick posted:We should totally get elfgames recognized as a legit sport. elfSports. Isn't that bit "classic" D&D from when Gygax and co were actively running games? Also, yikes, all this talk makes me REALLY glad I got into TTRPGs late. And that my preferred systems are generally okay about this and are run by generally okay people.
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Mormon Star Wars posted:PVP ruins MMOs, there I said it. Now we're really getting to the heart of things.
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Jul 16, 2014 19:50
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Pretty sure Dungeon Run Events are still a thing at cons.
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Jul 16, 2014 19:51
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Ratpick posted:We should totally get elfgames recognized as a legit sport. elfSports. This would be the best. gently caress. Now I'm going to have sponsors try to get characters in games that I run to sponsor their poo poo.
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Jul 16, 2014 19:55
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Now I just want to play X-Crawl.
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Jul 16, 2014 19:56
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Mormon Star Wars posted:PVP ruins MMOs, there I said it. It's fun in Guild Wars 2 because there are no stakes or consequences so there's no pressure to be geared for PvP in some grindy way, it's just a thing you can do to have fun when you feel like it.
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Jul 16, 2014 19:59
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Evil Sagan posted:Now I just want to play X-Crawl. Me too. Next time I'm not active in like 8 games I'm going to run some X-crawl.
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Jul 16, 2014 20:01
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Swagger Dagger posted:It's fun in Guild Wars 2 because there are no stakes or consequences so there's no pressure to be geared for PvP in some grindy way, it's just a thing you can do to have fun when you feel like it. 
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Jul 16, 2014 20:04
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I've been meaning to run a 4e X-Crawl game for ages; it's a good excuse for the players to just go wild-rear end crazy with character optimization. I still haven't figured out a good overarching plot or framing mechanism for the various "games", though.
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Jul 16, 2014 20:05
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Gau posted:It may have had something to do with the fact that I was willing to discuss what happened to me in the first person and be patient as Sage tried to figure things out, instead of throwing out wild accusations about how Dungeon World was now a Bad Game because one of its creators had said something problematic on a social networking site. EDIT: It may have been accidental or it may have been on purpose but still its pretty crappy thing to do. BrainParasite posted:Were you following that G+ thread? It was a total shitshow. It was really really hard to see who was saying what and on what basis. MadScientistWorking fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Jul 16, 2014 |
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Jul 16, 2014 20:06
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Evil Sagan posted:Now I just want to play X-Crawl. X-Crawl is literally the coolest setting saddled with some of the stupidest rules. I recall from the old F&F writeup of the game that there was a mechanic for signature moves, where you had to call your signature move and basically spend an entire round doing that to get a nickle and dime bonus to a certain maneuver, and of course during that one round there was a chance that the enemy you'd declared it on was already dead. Basically, you should take the setting of X-Crawl and run it in a system that already supports maneuvers that you can only credibly pull of once per fight or day, like 4e. Hell, I'd probably run it in Old School Hack because that game owns.
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Jul 16, 2014 20:08
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To connect Sage and X-Crawl, Dungeon World is a great system for X-Crawl because of how momentum builds up via 7-9s and the ease of making Signature Moves by just saying how you do them.
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Jul 16, 2014 20:11
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Ratpick posted:X-Crawl is literally the coolest setting saddled with some of the stupidest rules. I recall from the old F&F writeup of the game that there was a mechanic for signature moves, where you had to call your signature move and basically spend an entire round doing that to get a nickle and dime bonus to a certain maneuver, and of course during that one round there was a chance that the enemy you'd declared it on was already dead. It had the coolest premise, yeah, but from what I remember reading in that F&F writeup, the setting was completely, batshit insane. Wasn't the US ruled by the Roman Empire, With Wizards?
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Jul 16, 2014 20:14
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America, because Wizards Love Empires, went with a Roman Empire formation instead of a Roman Republic. It's a detail that exists only to have Ronald Reagan in a Toga, pretty much.
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Jul 16, 2014 20:16
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Mr. Maltose posted:To connect Sage and X-Crawl, Dungeon World is a great system for X-Crawl because of hos momentum builds up via 7-9s and the ease of making Signature Moves by just saying how you do them. Oh hell yeah, and you can even use the GM moves as stuff that the celebrity Dungeon Jockey (that was the term, right?) pulls from their rear end to make the crawlers' life more difficult. "You're good... but are you good enough to take down the GELATINOUS QUANTUM OGRE?!"
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Jul 16, 2014 20:17
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Run it in Fate Accelerated! Don't worry about equipment loadouts, or class balance or coherent worldbuilding - just tell players 'be anything', and let them Sneakily pants the ref and do intimidatingly Flashy dance moves. I ran a game with a half-motorcycle half-Tom-Cruise cyborg with a crippling blood/gasoline addiction, a sonic wizard riding an invisible dragon, and a dwarven tumbleweed with prehensile hair. All balanced and unique right out the gate. They skateboarded down an erupting volcano while fighting ninjas, doing sweet kickflips and hawking tshirts. It was pretty great.
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Jul 16, 2014 20:23
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I believe there's a long-running series of 4e D&D X-Crawl games over on the RPGnet PbP forum. They make for pretty cool reading.
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Jul 16, 2014 20:30
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Mr. Maltose posted:Baby steps. This but unironically. If I can get someone to listen, understand, and agree, I do not complain about the method so long as it is peaceful. The grognards will grow old and become irrelevant (if they are not already), and by speaking out and creating a positive environment for games and gamers of all stripes we will pass a better hobby down to the next generation of players.
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Jul 16, 2014 20:32
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If only there were some way to do that in a way that helped people now. Oh well.
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Jul 16, 2014 20:34
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It would be an appropriate venue for the B-Baller Dungeon World playbook to display his skill. Dungeon Jam
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Jul 16, 2014 20:34
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Mr. Maltose posted:If only there were some way to do that in a way that helped people now. Oh well. Bro, do you even Monsterhearts?
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Jul 16, 2014 20:36
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Gau posted:Bro, do you even Monsterhearts? Constantly. The idea that if we all just get along and play nice eventually the bad people will go away and be marginalized is not one of the playbooks there, is it Backer Only?
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Jul 16, 2014 20:39
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Mr. Maltose posted:Constantly. It's a Sex Move, so we avoid it at all costs.
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Jul 16, 2014 20:51
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We just need to rewrite it to be about physical or emotional intimacy, then.
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Jul 16, 2014 20:52
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Mr. Maltose posted:We just need to rewrite it to be about physical or emotional intimacy, then. When you're a bad enough dude to save the trad games hobby, roll +COOL...
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Jul 16, 2014 20:56
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Error 404 posted:When you're a bad enough dude to save the trad games hobby, roll +COOL... On a 10+, you create awareness of problematic elements of the community and spread good ideas about respectfulness and inclusiveness. On 7-9, you're Sage LaTorra.
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Jul 16, 2014 20:58
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Evil Sagan posted:On a 10+, you create awareness of problematic elements of the community and spread good ideas about respectfulness and inclusiveness. On 7-9, you're Sage LaTorra. What happens on a miss? 
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Jul 16, 2014 21:00
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Evil Sagan posted:It's a Sex Move, so we avoid it at all costs. The solution to all the RPG industries problems is for Role-Playing to be a PDO of Lake Geneva. If your product isn't by a local Lake Geneva Role-Playing Game consortium, you have to call it "Roleplaying-Game Style Story Game."
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Jul 16, 2014 21:02
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Davin Valkri posted:What happens on a miss? Mike Mearles.
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zachol posted:Mike Mearles.
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Jul 16, 2014 21:04
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Yeah like I am all for keeping your cool as much as you can, but using the fact that many people who have been harried and harassed act harassed as a reason to not treat them as credible is ridiculous.
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Ratpick posted:X-Crawl is literally the coolest setting saddled with some of the stupidest rules. I recall from the old F&F writeup of the game that there was a mechanic for signature moves, where you had to call your signature move and basically spend an entire round doing that to get a nickle and dime bonus to a certain maneuver, and of course during that one round there was a chance that the enemy you'd declared it on was already dead. quote:Basically, you should take the setting of X-Crawl and run it in a system that already supports maneuvers that you can only credibly pull of once per fight or day, like 4e. Hell, I'd probably run it in Old School Hack because that game owns.
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Jul 16, 2014 21:10
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Davin Valkri posted:What happens on a miss? The evidence goes missing?
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neongrey posted:Yeah like I am all for keeping your cool as much as you can, but using the fact that many people who have been harried and harassed act harassed as a reason to not treat them as credible is ridiculous. Acting harassed and acting incredibly can appear similar to the ignorant, mea culpa I try to learn 
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Mr. Maltose posted:People told Sage that people like Zak S were transphobic and he dismissed them. The fact that he is backing away from that stance is great, but claiming it's because only now has the good minorities who keep a civil tone have shown up is both wrong and hilariously privileged. I didn't look for someone with the right tone. I looked for the person who's story had been told to me many different times with variations each time. Hearing the same story repeated with different events each time made me unsure what was really happening.
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I was referring to Neonchameleon's idea that you only listened 'when people stopped throwing things' being ridiculous, not that you were hunting for proper tone. Your dismissal of people is still a pretty big problem.
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fatherdog posted:I've been meaning to run a 4e X-Crawl game for ages; it's a good excuse for the players to just go wild-rear end crazy with character optimization. I still haven't figured out a good overarching plot or framing mechanism for the various "games", though. Secret Modforum 13th Age, Book It.
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Olde_fortran posted:I didn't look for someone with the right tone. I looked for the person who's story had been told to me many different times with variations each time. Hearing the same story repeated with different events each time made me unsure what was really happening. I think it leads to hotter tempers in this case because, I mean, loving look at what ZakS proclaims proudly out in the open anyway. It's cold enough comfort that some abuser or harasser was "such a nice guy, you'd never think that…" but there's Zak just screaming over and over "the needle doesn't move, you're the real sexist, I asked my 2,000 blog followers, I put you on a list." But, whoa, hold on, "innocent until proven guilty", he didn't say the exact words "I put this specific person, whom I hate, on an Enemies List to give my explicit and full-throated encouragement that they be harassed in legally consequent ways. —signed ZakS —notarized John Tarnowski" I mean, I like your game, and you seem like a cool dude. I hope you don't about-face or flee because of some continued scolding. (For some reason I thought you were already a goon, but I guess not?) But you seemed to know the general shape of ZakS even if you were skeptical about certain things, and you acted pretty conciliatory about acknowledging that, like you were afraid you'd hurt his feelings with the stuff you absolutely know is true. That's pretty hard to swallow. EDIT: If you read a ZakS post, roll +  .
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It's time, Sage. Announce the release of Dungeon World Unchained with the "Zak S is a Dogfucker" playbook or be forever consigned to the realm of RPG Shitlords.
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Evil Sagan posted:It's time, Sage. Announce the release of Dungeon World Unchained with the "Zak S is a Dogfucker" playbook or be forever consigned to the realm of RPG Shitlords. Ettin already published the Edgy Designer playbook, though.
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