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tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

you're probably not going to get the api in your head first time, but writing hello world wouldn't hurt before the interview.

the thing really to focus on would be getting to grips with the differences with java, but for much of your code it isn't going to be much.

linq is probably the most useful and fun thing to play with

# ? Jul 17, 2014 02:20

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# ? May 14, 2024 13:17

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

~ signed someone who has done a little java and had to read some c# a couple of times

# ? Jul 17, 2014 02:21

fritz: Jul 26, 2003

coffeetable posted:

all i know is what i can remember from Under the Hood of .NET Memory Management, but:

thanks!

# ? Jul 17, 2014 02:22

ShadowHawk: Jun 25, 2000; CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER

bobbilljim posted:

lol if your ORM doesn't handle closing connections properly

*unfolds deckchair, sits back and watches*

python with: supremacy

# ? Jul 17, 2014 02:28

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

tef posted:

at a guess.

- generics are different, no checked exceptions
- linq is hella neat.
- delegates are useful, as are extension methods. there is also using/idisposable.
- unsigned integers
- value types, nullable types

it's kinda lina a java with the bits that didn't work well or were used well removed, and some of the things that were missing that could be added because jvm compat wasn't an issue. but unlike another java descendent, scala, c# is for mortals

c# has a bunch of nice features that are super abuseable. linq, delegates, and extension methods being the top 3.

# ? Jul 17, 2014 03:01

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

gonna write nothing but extension methods to Object.

# ? Jul 17, 2014 03:10

CPColin: Sep 9, 2003; Big ol' smile.

At work we have piles of interfaces with a single method where everybody's implementation of it calls the same static method in a utility class and oh man I can't wait for us to upgrade to Java 8 so we can fix that

and then get closures and everything else wrong for a couple years

# ? Jul 17, 2014 03:14

Workaday Wizard: Oct 23, 2009; by Pragmatica

Shaggar posted:

gonna write nothing but extension methods to Object.

everytime i use a third party library that add an extenstion method to string i want to rip the balls of whoever wrote it

the worst case i've seen is when the only way to create some object is through a string extension method, e.g. you can't new PieceOfShit("asss"), you must "asss".ToPieceOfShit().

# ? Jul 17, 2014 03:30

BONGHITZ: Jan 1, 1970

what is the difference between ls and dir and why cant i use dir sometimes?

# ? Jul 17, 2014 03:33

bobbilljim: May 29, 2013; this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me

BONGHITZ posted:

what is the difference between ls and dir and why cant i use dir sometimes?

this isnt the windows RP thread

# ? Jul 17, 2014 03:35

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

BONGHITZ posted:

what is the difference between ls and dir and why cant i use dir sometimes?

dir is a bad windows command ported to linux in an ill fated attempt to make cjs feel nostalgic for their window washing days

ls is a unix command that has served for over 30 years

# ? Jul 17, 2014 03:35

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

tef posted:

well it's been a long while since i looked at java, so my memory is hazy, and it was off topic

but java didn't have dynamic dispatch originally, so i didn't think it right to lump it with the rubys and the smalltalks. under the scenes the jvm is doing lookup with fully qualified method names, although invoke dynamic confuses things a bit. and method handles.

there really isn't a meta object protocol, or a notion of sending a message, or symbols in Java, and in java you can access the attributes of an instance. it's sorta sorta structural, except that java doesn't really have functions yet*, so you don't have the whole x = obj.f; x() thing.

whatever. it wasn't really relevant to explaining the accidental? design around javascript's methods that sorta act like functions, and dynamic this.

i mean, who knows. the whole everything is bound to window by default was probably some quick hack to make a feature work. or functions were added first before prototypes were. i mean who knows what brendan eich was doing. iirc prototypes were included as a gently caress java.

* or whatever project coin and poo poo is happening

gonna have to nit you here and point out that the jvm deffo does do dynamic dispatch, that's the point of invokevirtual vs invokespecial. but it doesn't do late binding

# ? Jul 17, 2014 03:41

Stringent: Dec 22, 2004; image text goes here

tef posted:

i have no idea what this metaphor means. i'm trying to explain the mechanics of a programming language design through it's interaction with other pieces, without going too far into detail.

was in reference to this http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/07/millennials-economics-voting-clueless-kids-these-days/374427/

coffeetable posted:

i don't see anything polarizing in that at all

nono, it was a good post it's just all tef's posts generate such a range of reactions

# ? Jul 17, 2014 06:34

Blert the Duck: Sep 23, 2008

USSMICHELLEBACHMAN posted:

whoever posted this guys blog

http://duartes.org/gustavo/blog/archives/

thanks. i'm slightly less bad

same but i keep writing bad code instead of reading all his posts bc deadlines aaahh

says the guy reading yospos

# ? Jul 17, 2014 15:22

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Shinku ABOOKEN posted:

everytime i use a third party library that add an extenstion method to string i want to rip the balls of whoever wrote it

the worst case i've seen is when the only way to create some object is through a string extension method, e.g. you can't new PieceOfShit("asss"), you must "asss".ToPieceOfShit().

lol. owned. On the other hand, I wrote a bunch of extension methods to stuff like HttpRequestMessage like bool TryGetCookieValue(String key, out String value) and its unbelievably nice

# ? Jul 17, 2014 15:25

double sulk: Jul 2, 2010

tef posted:

it's kinda lina a java with the bits that didn't work well or were used well removed, and some of the things that were missing that could be added because jvm compat wasn't an issue. but unlike another java descendent, scala, c# is for mortals

Scala makes me feel dumber than I already am and I don't like that.

# ? Jul 17, 2014 15:25

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

Shaggar posted:

c# has a bunch of nice features that are super abuseable. linq, delegates, and extension methods being the top 3.

idk id put var in the top 3

# ? Jul 17, 2014 15:32

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

I've given up and started to use var now and then. whatever. i don't care.

# ? Jul 17, 2014 15:36

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

i just take a big ol steamy of var all over every code i write because im the only one who efver touches it so yolo

# ? Jul 17, 2014 15:37

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

Bloody posted:

idk id put var in the top 3

i think resharper wants you to use var by default

# ? Jul 17, 2014 16:29

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:

gonna have to nit you here and point out that the jvm deffo does do dynamic dispatch, that's the point of invokevirtual vs invokespecial. but it doesn't do late binding

*cough* i get them mixed up sometimes

# ? Jul 17, 2014 17:04

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

Shaggar posted:

I've given up and started to use var now and then. whatever. i don't care.

feels good man

# ? Jul 17, 2014 17:05

Careful Drums: Oct 30, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

I used to be anti-var but then I realized var is nice because it functions as a code-smell.

Like, if I see `var` and I can't figure out the type without stepping into the other side of the expression, there is some room for improvement in the code.

# ? Jul 17, 2014 17:10

bobbilljim: May 29, 2013; this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me

var is the greatest and it's sad that i have to use java 1.3 instead of C#

# ? Jul 18, 2014 02:03

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

bobbilljim posted:

var is the greatest and it's sad that i have to use java 1.3 instead of C#

holy poo poo, 1.3

what is going on at your employer

# ? Jul 18, 2014 02:38

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

bobbilljim posted:

var is the greatest and it's sad that i have to use java 1.3 instead of C#

wowow. and I get upset I haven't had a chance to use 1.8

# ? Jul 18, 2014 02:45

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

I always use var when the type name is on the same line because String str = new String(); is dumb

# ? Jul 18, 2014 02:51

Workaday Wizard: Oct 23, 2009; by Pragmatica

var cannot escape the scope of a function right?

# ? Jul 18, 2014 03:13

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

you can var wherever you like

# ? Jul 18, 2014 03:48

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

Shinku ABOOKEN posted:

var cannot escape the scope of a function right?

you're thinking of anonymous types

# ? Jul 18, 2014 03:52

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

"var" isn't a type, it means "infer the type of this variable from the expression on the rhs"

the statement "var x;" is not valid c#

# ? Jul 18, 2014 03:54

Workaday Wizard: Oct 23, 2009; by Pragmatica

i was confused by

Bloody posted:

idk id put var in the top 3 [nice features that are super abuseable]

i guess if you deal with a 100 pages long function it might be hard but i've never had bad experience with var (i use it all day everyday ftw)

# ? Jul 18, 2014 04:56

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

i dont consider abuse of linq to be a bad thing

# ? Jul 18, 2014 04:59

bobbilljim: May 29, 2013; this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me

Never code for an embedded platform

# ? Jul 18, 2014 05:02

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

"dynamic" is super easy to abuse in really fun ways

it's semi-trivial to write something that wraps any object and exposes its private/internal/etc members as public

# ? Jul 18, 2014 05:10

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

also occasionally there are two very similar, but semantically different, types, either of which can be returned from a function, and you want one of the properties that's common

it's really nice not to have to write the same code twice

# ? Jul 18, 2014 05:12

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

bobbilljim posted:

Never code for an embedded platform

listen to this man

give me job security

# ? Jul 18, 2014 05:22

Fuck them: Jan 21, 2011; and their bullshit

I'm finally tired of being a lazyfuck. Gonna fix me some threaded gui poo poo. I also finally started getting lambdas and .NET's version of filter map reduce so I feel ambitious.

"Delegate to an instance method cannot have null 'this'. " loves to pop up if I call .StartWaiting() and then call .Endwaiting() too soon afterwards from the thread actually doing work. I don't know if the proper way to handle this is to force the thread calling the stop/start wait to itself wait (HEH) or wait on a message from the message box or what. This is my first time debugging threaded poo poo and isn't even my code.

Note this is written by a largely absentee guy who wears vibrams every day.

code:


Public Class GenericWaitWindow

    Private Shared Property ActiveWindow As GenericWaitWindow
    Private Delegate Sub DoneWaitingDelegate()
    Private Delegate Sub UpdateMessageDelegate(newMessage As String)

    Private Sub New()
        InitializeComponent()
    End Sub

    Public Shared Sub UpdateMessage(newMessage As String)

        Dim Callback As New UpdateMessageDelegate(AddressOf DoUpdateMessage)
        System.Threading.Thread.Sleep(100)
            ActiveWindow.Dispatcher.Invoke(Callback, newMessage)

    End Sub

    Private Shared Sub DoUpdateMessage(newMessage As String)

            ActiveWindow.c_Message.Text = newMessage

    End Sub

    Public Shared Sub StartWaiting()

        Dim Worker As New System.Threading.Thread(AddressOf DoStartWaiting)

        With Worker
            .SetApartmentState(System.Threading.ApartmentState.STA)
            .IsBackground = True
            .Start()
        End With

    End Sub

    Private Shared Sub DoStartWaiting()

            ActiveWindow = New GenericWaitWindow
        ActiveWindow.Show()
        System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.Run()

    End Sub

    Public Shared Sub EndWaiting()

        Dim Callback As New DoneWaitingDelegate(AddressOf ActiveWindow.Close)
        System.Threading.Thread.Sleep(100)
        ActiveWindow.Dispatcher.Invoke(Callback)

    End Sub

End Class

Yeah yeah I know vb.net whatever. If you're gonna mock it mock the loving thread sleeps :smithicide:

The code that then CALLS this does so like this:

code:

GenericWaitWindow.StartWaiting()

// stuff here

//loop starts
GenericWaitWindow.UpdateMessage(SomeMesageString)
//loop finishes and exits

GenericWaitWindow.EndWaiting()

Basically, what happened is if that loop never executes or executes very quickly, .EndWaiting throws the "yo what is this?" Earlier, the UpdateMessage would poo poo itself if I called it before I made a long call to a REST service; if I did so afterwards it had enough time to construct/pass around references/whatever is going on. But since I'd rather say "I am now downloading the nth thing in a list of things to download" than "I just finished the nth" I hosed with it and so did the Sr Dev on one of his rare days here. The Thread.Sleep idea was his.

But I no longer want to do such shameful poo poo. I'd rather fix this already.

Please help me unshit this code.

# ? Jul 18, 2014 19:43

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

that is terrible. is this windows forms or wpf? why the hell are you starting a window in a new thread? what the hell is going on ?

# ? Jul 18, 2014 20:53

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# ? May 14, 2024 13:17

Fuck them: Jan 21, 2011; and their bullshit

Shaggar posted:

that is terrible. is this windows forms or wpf? why the hell are you starting a window in a new thread? what the hell is going on ?

Sr Dev: Hey do this
Me, having not done anything but MVC in a year: Sure!
*Sr Dev disappears for weeks again*
Me: WTF?

Would it be "how" of me to just do this again from scratch?

# ? Jul 18, 2014 20:55

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