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Hollis Brown
Oct 17, 2004

It's like people only do things because they get paid, and that's just really sad
I decided to learn python in place of Matlab as well, and I think there are some advantages. Matlab has great built in toolboxes and plugins, but if you do not need them you can learn python and not worry about your future employer paying for Matlab. I can personally recommend Spyder, which has an interface similar to Matlab with a variable explorer etc to ease the transition. I am going to be working in an environment soon without Matlab and I am glad I learned python to use MatPlotLib make pretty graphs or write simple scripts.

Hollis Brown fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Jul 1, 2014

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Xeom
Mar 16, 2007
My school had a programming/numerical methods class which was taught completely in matlab, and I have no idea why. The professor made you code everything yourself anyways, and only once we had coded our own function could we use the built in functions(for instance matrix inversion or basic manipulations). I felt that we could have easily done all that in python or something.

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice
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Thoguh fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Aug 10, 2023

Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

Perfect

Hollis Brown posted:

I decided to learn python in place of Matlab as well, and I think there are some advantages. Matlab has great built in toolboxes and plugins, but if you do not need them you can learn python and not worry about your future employer paying for Matlab. I can personally recommend Spyder, which has an interface similar to Matlab with a variable explorer etc to ease the transition. I am going to be working in an environment soon without Matlab and I am glad I learned python to use MatPlotLib make pretty graphs or write simple scripts.

That's fine if you never have to share your code. I tried it once and just ended up rewriting everything in Matlab so somebody else could use it.

Xeom
Mar 16, 2007

Thoguh posted:

That's pretty standard in engineering classes in my experience. You have to show you understand the theory and math behind stuff before you're allowed to do it the easy way.

O I know, I would have just preferred learning a "real" programming language. We never did anything that complex that really required matlab. But I guess matlab is popular enough.

Also they also half assedly tried to teach us COMSOL. Mostly so those students who stayed and went to graduate school there would know how to use it. I've seriously never seen a job posting requesting COMSOL experience.

Xeom fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Jul 2, 2014

Xeom
Mar 16, 2007
I am about to register for the FE exam, but I am checking out and NCEES still hasn't asked me for a testing location. Is this something I would choose later on ? I'm sort of worried ill be assigned a testing station around my school which is on the other side of the state. Can anybody confirm you choose the testing location after the purchase? Does the NCEES just pass the purchase onto the state board and they just handles the rest?

edit: You get to choose after you purchase. Was a little paranoid after losing 50 dollars to them.

Xeom fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Jul 3, 2014

Isentropy
Dec 12, 2010

Xeom posted:

O I know, I would have just preferred learning a "real" programming language. We never did anything that complex that really required matlab. But I guess matlab is popular enough.

Also they also half assedly tried to teach us COMSOL. Mostly so those students who stayed and went to graduate school there would know how to use it. I've seriously never seen a job posting requesting COMSOL experience.

I think it's most likely because most of the jobs that require COMSOL (or any CFD software) require a Master's at a minimum. Lots of R&D type work with some pretty interesting companies. You probably wouldn't find a job if you were looking in, say, Louisiana, but there's work if you want to move to where it is.

On a related note: how useful are master's degrees in mechanical engineering or industrial engineering?

E: Like what fields or jobs would they be needed for?

Isentropy fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Jul 3, 2014

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

Isentropy posted:

On a related note: how useful are master's degrees in mechanical engineering or industrial engineering?
I feel like industrial engineering would be better paired with an MBA, but maybe I'm crazy.

Problem!
Jan 1, 2007

I am the queen of France.
I do not have an engineering degree or any sort of background in engineering coursework, and just landed a mechanical engineering job. I've worked alongside MEs for the past few years so I've absorbed some things so I'm not going in entirely cold at least. Obviously I wouldn't have been offered the job if they didn't think I could do it, but I'm still slightly worried some engineering-specific problem is going to come out of left field and I'm going to have no idea what to do.

From what I can tell the job is basically my old job (industrial design) just with more hard numbers and math and less creative freedom. Any tips on pretending to be an ME without an ME degree?

Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

Perfect

Xeom posted:

O I know, I would have just preferred learning a "real" programming language. We never did anything that complex that really required matlab. But I guess matlab is popular enough.

Also they also half assedly tried to teach us COMSOL. Mostly so those students who stayed and went to graduate school there would know how to use it. I've seriously never seen a job posting requesting COMSOL experience.

You kind of need matlab to run COMSOL. How strange.

The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun

Aquatic Giraffe posted:

I do not have an engineering degree or any sort of background in engineering coursework, and just landed a mechanical engineering job. I've worked alongside MEs for the past few years so I've absorbed some things so I'm not going in entirely cold at least. Obviously I wouldn't have been offered the job if they didn't think I could do it, but I'm still slightly worried some engineering-specific problem is going to come out of left field and I'm going to have no idea what to do.

From what I can tell the job is basically my old job (industrial design) just with more hard numbers and math and less creative freedom. Any tips on pretending to be an ME without an ME degree?

Don't be afraid to ask for help or look at your colleagues' work for guidance. Nobody reasonable is going to expect you to come in on day 1 with perfect knowledge of everything your office does; as long as you're learning something from each new job that comes in and not asking the same questions over and over, you'll be fine.

Xeom
Mar 16, 2007

Uncle Jam posted:

You kind of need matlab to run COMSOL. How strange.

Really? I had no idea. I always though COMSOL was stand alone. I only did a few simple 2d pipe flow simulations with it.

Xeom
Mar 16, 2007
Not only do you have to pay NCEES to take the FE exam in Florida you also have to pay the Florida board. Ok not a big deal right? Just fill out a online application and pay the 30 dollars fee.

Nope they don't have an online system; you have to snail mail them the form and check. Also it may take them up to a month to process your application. In the year of our lord 2014 I can't believe I have to mail a loving form and check to take a fully computerized test.

Just a heads up for any other Floridians that were planning to take the test. Start the application process before you even start studying for the exam.

Florida #1

Sunny Side Up
Jun 22, 2004

Mayoist Third Condimentist
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Sunny Side Up
Jun 22, 2004

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shizen
Dec 29, 2006

How difficult is it to switch over to Chem E from Chemistry? Is it possible to do a masters in Chem E with a Chemistry BS? My state school doesn't offer Chem E and I'm a Chemistry major but want to switch to Chem E for grad school.

BigBobio
May 1, 2009

shizen posted:

How difficult is it to switch over to Chem E from Chemistry? Is it possible to do a masters in Chem E with a Chemistry BS? My state school doesn't offer Chem E and I'm a Chemistry major but want to switch to Chem E for grad school.

From what I've seen, if it looks like you'll be a good researcher, most ChemE PhD programs will still accept you as long as your background is close enough, but they might make you take some of the core undergrad ChemE classes that you missed when you're in your first or second year as a grad student. There was an environmental engineer in my ChemE PhD class for instance who had to do just that.

There's also some steps you can take to help yourself out. The "core" ChemE areas would be thermo, kinetics, and transport processes (fluid mechanics, and mass and energy transfer). Pchem covers the first two (if multiple levels are offered, make sure you take the 'hard' pchem with real math, not the easy one). Also, MechE and Materials Science departments both usually offer thermo classes, if your school has either of those two majors. MechE departments will also have a transport class. These won't exactly be the same as the ChemE classes, but they're close enough. You'll miss out on courses like separations, controls, unit operations, and design, but that's not such a big deal, especially if you're going to grad school and not doing research in one of those areas. Overall, the difference between Chem and ChemE is greatest at the undergrad level. They are closer once you look at the PhD level.

RedReverend
Feb 15, 2003

Took the computerized FE today. (Electrical) If I don't pass, I sure as hell now know where my weaknesses are. As a power guy, I blew right through all of the power questions but was held up on electronics (FETS/Transistors), control systems, and some random rear end computer questions that I never touched on at University. I almost feel punished for not taking extra electives. Still, I left feeling good about it and answered every problem. There were only maybe 10 or so that I completely pulled out of my rear end.

Does anybody know how the new system works? I know that the passing grade changes each cycle but just how low can you score and still have a chance at passing? I heard before during the Pencil and Paper test that you could score as low as a 65% sometimes and still pass. I'm not sure how anyone knows that considering that I thought that it was strictly pass/fail.

Oodles
Oct 31, 2005

I need help. I work for a boss who I struggle to respect. He micromanages, overreacts, constantly knee-jerks. He's so out of his depth, it's unreal. I've had to do an appraisal of him, and I have him 3 out of 10 and that was being generous. Don't get me wrong, I don't want his job.

I've had a raging alcoholic as a boss before, and he was easier to deal with than this guy.

Help me, how do I deal with a horrible boss?

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

RedReverend posted:

Took the computerized FE today. (Electrical) If I don't pass, I sure as hell now know where my weaknesses are. As a power guy, I blew right through all of the power questions but was held up on electronics (FETS/Transistors), control systems, and some random rear end computer questions that I never touched on at University. I almost feel punished for not taking extra electives. Still, I left feeling good about it and answered every problem. There were only maybe 10 or so that I completely pulled out of my rear end.

Does anybody know how the new system works? I know that the passing grade changes each cycle but just how low can you score and still have a chance at passing? I heard before during the Pencil and Paper test that you could score as low as a 65% sometimes and still pass. I'm not sure how anyone knows that considering that I thought that it was strictly pass/fail.

When you fail they tell you how many questions in each section you pass and fail so you can basically back calculate. If you know enough people who fail you can figure out about where the line is. Usually around 70-75% though.

The state of Texas actually gives you a score for the PE, pass or fail.

The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun
The scaled score for passing the FE is 70, but how that translates from a raw score depends on the subject and the questions you get.

Problem!
Jan 1, 2007

I am the queen of France.

Oodles posted:

I need help. I work for a boss who I struggle to respect. He micromanages, overreacts, constantly knee-jerks. He's so out of his depth, it's unreal. I've had to do an appraisal of him, and I have him 3 out of 10 and that was being generous. Don't get me wrong, I don't want his job.

I've had a raging alcoholic as a boss before, and he was easier to deal with than this guy.

Help me, how do I deal with a horrible boss?

Sounds like my old boss. He was an accountant but pretended to be an engineer and wouldn't correct people if they assumed (wrongly) that he had an engineering degree. This wouldn't be bad if he actually knew what he was doing, but he did things like try to convince actual engineers that he could measure pounds-force accurately with his bare hands and other bullshit. Also micromanaged and got overdramatic over minor things and all that fun stuff.

Do you have any other bosses at or above his level you could talk to? At my old job I had anywhere between 3 and 5 bosses depending on my workload and could sometimes leverage them against each other if one was being a particularly dickish.

Nohearum
Nov 2, 2013
Is it common for engineering companies to go through layoffs every single year? I've been with my company 3 years and every single fall or winter there has been a layoff. They usually announce that the layoff is coming a few months in advance. Morale plummets during the time between the announcement and the actual layoffs...and its kind of starting to wear on me.

KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.
Are you working for a defense contractor?

Vaporware
May 22, 2004

Still not here yet.

Oodles posted:

I need help. I work for a boss who I struggle to respect. He micromanages, overreacts, constantly knee-jerks. He's so out of his depth, it's unreal. I've had to do an appraisal of him, and I have him 3 out of 10 and that was being generous. Don't get me wrong, I don't want his job.

I've had a raging alcoholic as a boss before, and he was easier to deal with than this guy.

Help me, how do I deal with a horrible boss?

There is no help. Ironically, you are the problem, because micromanagement is a management technique (in the corporate opinion). Polish up the resume.

Yoked
Apr 3, 2007


shizen posted:

How difficult is it to switch over to Chem E from Chemistry? Is it possible to do a masters in Chem E with a Chemistry BS? My state school doesn't offer Chem E and I'm a Chemistry major but want to switch to Chem E for grad school.

If you have taken the fundamental classes, like Transport, Thermodynamics and Reaction Engineering, it would make things easier to get accepted into a program.

I have a PhD in Chemical Engineering, and talking with our new department head at the fall AIChE meeting last year, the trend seems to be accepting fewer MS students. Their main goal is to get PhDs, so it would not hurt to consider that as well to improve your chances of getting into a program.

If you're goal is to get a MS in ChemE to switch careers, beware. I know several people from graduate school who had Chemistry bachelors degrees and have had trouble finding jobs that aren't postdocs right out of school. The problem is that most employers want to see the ChemE undergraduate degree, so they know you have the fundamentals. It's stupid as hell considering everyone is required to take graduate level fundamentals, and if you interview well it may not matter. This may all just be anecdotal, but thought I'd share my experience in the matter.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

Nohearum posted:

Is it common for engineering companies to go through layoffs every single year? I've been with my company 3 years and every single fall or winter there has been a layoff. They usually announce that the layoff is coming a few months in advance. Morale plummets during the time between the announcement and the actual layoffs...and its kind of starting to wear on me.
Hello, Toshiba employee!

Molybdenum
Jun 25, 2007
Melting Point ~2622C

Oodles posted:

I need help. I work for a boss who I struggle to respect. He micromanages, overreacts, constantly knee-jerks. He's so out of his depth, it's unreal. I've had to do an appraisal of him, and I have him 3 out of 10 and that was being generous. Don't get me wrong, I don't want his job.

I've had a raging alcoholic as a boss before, and he was easier to deal with than this guy.

Help me, how do I deal with a horrible boss?

I had a similar problem. See my previous posts in this thread.

I work at a new place now. It is better. :unsmith:

Xeom
Mar 16, 2007

shizen posted:

How difficult is it to switch over to Chem E from Chemistry? Is it possible to do a masters in Chem E with a Chemistry BS? My state school doesn't offer Chem E and I'm a Chemistry major but want to switch to Chem E for grad school.

Despite all the hub-bub about the ChE boom or whatever it is mostly talk. Competition amongst ChemE's is fierce. I'd say close to 40% of my graduating class still doesn't have a job, and a lot of those that do couldn't even secure engineering jobs. Be completely aware of what you are stepping into. You will be going into a lot of debt and studying for three years, and you may not come out any better.

There was a guy in my graduating class who had decided to get his ChemE degree after he couldn't find a job with a chemistry degree. Now hes working as a regulatory specialist, a job that he could have gotten with a chemistry degree. I am fairly certain he only got that job because he knew someone after living in that town for so long. He wasted three years of his life getting the additional degree.

I even have a friend with a 3.5 GPA that worked throughout his entire undergraduate education who can't find a job. I'm just saying all this so you understand that ChemE isn't some magical land where everyone gets a job and nobody struggles. Do go into ChE if its something you really really want to do, but don't do it because you think you will get a job.

Nohearum
Nov 2, 2013

KetTarma posted:

Are you working for a defense contractor?

Correct.

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer
Looking for some job advice/comfort.

Recently rejected a contract extension working as an embedded systems engineer (RTOS stuff mostly VxWorks and firmware drivers) for a company I joined up with right out of college. I was working there for about a 1.5 years up until May. I didn't accept the 1 year contract extension as I knew I was moving to the Chicago area in September and was looking forward to a little time off over the summer.

Well I'm applying for jobs all over the metro area but so many seems to require 3+ years experience. Did I put myself in a hole by leaving my job early? I'm afraid I'll be stuck looking for entry level positions or having to looking outside the firmware/embedded systems/OS realm which I really enjoy.

RedReverend
Feb 15, 2003

Went online to NCEES yesterday and saw that I passed the FE. The site says that it takes 7-10 days to notify you. I took it this past Saturday, so if you want to find out early, check the site after 4 days and they will post your results.

Vaporware
May 22, 2004

Still not here yet.

Popete posted:

Looking for some job advice/comfort.

Recently rejected a contract extension working as an embedded systems engineer (RTOS stuff mostly VxWorks and firmware drivers) for a company I joined up with right out of college. I was working there for about a 1.5 years up until May. I didn't accept the 1 year contract extension as I knew I was moving to the Chicago area in September and was looking forward to a little time off over the summer.

Well I'm applying for jobs all over the metro area but so many seems to require 3+ years experience. Did I put myself in a hole by leaving my job early? I'm afraid I'll be stuck looking for entry level positions or having to looking outside the firmware/embedded systems/OS realm which I really enjoy.

Go ahead and apply anyways, The difference between 1.5 years experience and 3 years is minimal. The only ones I've seen mean anything is the 10+ year lifer / I-know-every-possible-thing-that-can-go-wrong openings.

Olothreutes
Mar 31, 2007

This might be better suited to a resume thread, but if my final GPA for my degree was 3.559, should I list it on my resume to that many decimal places, round to 3.56, or truncate to 3.55? I'm not really sure of the etiquette here.

Xeom
Mar 16, 2007

Olothreutes posted:

This might be better suited to a resume thread, but if my final GPA for my degree was 3.559, should I list it on my resume to that many decimal places, round to 3.56, or truncate to 3.55? I'm not really sure of the etiquette here.

Which ever, nobody cares if its a 3.55 or 3.56 the difference is completely meaningless. You aren't at some 3.0 cut off or anything so just put which ever you like seeing on your resume.

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice
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Thoguh fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Aug 10, 2023

The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun
Just say you got a 4 because GPAs are only accurate to one sig fig anyway

Vaporware
May 22, 2004

Still not here yet.
but, but the errorrrr, save us PID man

quick add derivative to predict what the future of the error in resume GPA submissions will be over time based on past changes

OH NO THE GPA IS APPROACHING INFINITY WHAT HAVE YOU DONE DERIVATIVE YOU'VE DOOMED US ALL

Shipon
Nov 7, 2005

Olothreutes posted:

This might be better suited to a resume thread, but if my final GPA for my degree was 3.559, should I list it on my resume to that many decimal places, round to 3.56, or truncate to 3.55? I'm not really sure of the etiquette here.

List it as the transcript from your institution will list it. That's probably the only safe way to go about it. You aren't near any common cutoff so removing any trace of doubt from an employer is probably the safest bet.

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Problem!
Jan 1, 2007

I am the queen of France.
I graduated with a 3.49. After I got my first job I just rounded to a 3.5 then eventually dropped it entirely.

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