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Probably Magic posted:I thought the voice-acting on Beware the Batman was super-awful, and I also just have a grudge against most CGI cartoons, but that one's animation was particularly blocky and uninspiring. Didn't DC introduce a character that was original to Young Justice into the comics? And then kill her off the same event? I get the feeling that DC hates its shows.
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catlord posted:Didn't DC introduce a character that was original to Young Justice into the comics? And then kill her off the same event? I get the feeling that DC hates its shows.
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Jul 12, 2014 23:47
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You found the font! Which one did it end up being?
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Jul 12, 2014 23:51
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lotus circle posted:You're talking about Artemis, who was Cheshire's younger sister and Ollie's partner after Speedy left, and she was killed off during that awful Teen Titans "The Culling" event comic. She was very popular to fans of the show as well, so of course Lobdell would introduce her and kill her off as a way of motivating Tim to start fighting against the enemy. Man, gently caress that guy in his dead eye sockets.
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Jul 13, 2014 00:02
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goldenoreos posted:You found the font! Which one did it end up being? League Gothic. That's actually just the closest free approximation. The actual font is apparently Bureau Grot, but I am not willing to shell out $40 for a lazy gag. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Jul 13, 2014 |
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Jul 13, 2014 03:31
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With Beware The Batman I am near 100% positive they just reused the model of Mace Windu from Clone Wars and recolored him white while extending the chin a couple feet. Although to be fair if they ever did a Hitman CGI series that could work really well for Agent 47.
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I just got caught up on Batman Eternal. I'm assuming this Jason Bard guy will end up as the mastermind behind everything. Batman's big yearlong enemy is basically Evil Gordon.
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Jul 15, 2014 06:00
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Is Batman eternal any good? For whatever reason I have been avoiding it. I also decided to stop buying Detective comics. The art is fantastic in the book, but the writing is just nothing. The story has not been in interesting at all.
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Jul 15, 2014 08:01
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I think Eternal is super solid. Maybe that's just in comparison to Futures End being the opposite of solid. It's worth following just to get to issue #11 where the tone adjusted wildly for one fantastic issue:   It doesn't usually look like that. e: Not that it blows otherwise. Eternal #9 or 10 gave me my favorite panel of the year, maybe. 
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Jul 15, 2014 08:42
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I'm enjoying Eternal well enough as it has a few interesting storylines going on and in focusing on interesting characters too. So far it is pretty solid.
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Jul 15, 2014 19:35
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#11 also gave us Jason Todd, Red Hood happy mouth face!  I admit, the whole thing with Shen Fang just made me roll my eyes like DC when it comes to Asia in general (or rather, how Asian men are treated when it comes to white opposition), so it was fun to see that for even one issue someone just let the plot fly off in a completely different direction.
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Jul 15, 2014 21:15
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DanteDyas posted:I just got caught up on Batman Eternal. I'm assuming this Jason Bard guy will end up as the mastermind behind everything. Batman's big yearlong enemy is basically Evil Gordon.
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Jul 16, 2014 21:36
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I picked up the first volume of Black & White based on the recommendations in this thread and I'm really enjoying it, thanks. Also, I've heard that while Knightfall and KnightsEnd are required Batman reading, Knightquest is mediocre and not really worth wasting time on. Have I been misinformed?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I picked up the first volume of Black & White based on the recommendations in this thread and I'm really enjoying it, thanks. redbackground fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Jul 17, 2014 |
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Jul 16, 2014 22:18
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Knightfall and KnightsEnd are required Batman reading Meh. If you're gonna read a giant series of Batman comics make it No Man's Land or Morrison's run, IMO. I'm been going though the big Knightfall collections very slowly over the past year and a bit, and I've found it kind of a dull trudge. edit: Hey! Anyone who wants to get in on Robin Rises without catching up on Morrison and Tomasi's oeuvre (you're awful) there's a big ol' handy recap. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Jul 16, 2014 |
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Jul 16, 2014 22:45
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I have a friend that's an editor at the Mary Sue and she's been my guide through the important Batman books. I'd still like to read the KnightSaga because of its importance in Batman lore and I've been interested in the comic version of Bane since seeing Dark Knight Rises and playing the Arkham games. I had just been told by her and others that the middle chapter isn't necessary and somewhat boring.
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Jul 16, 2014 23:25
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I have a friend that's an editor at the Mary Sue and she's been my guide through the important Batman books. I'd still like to read the KnightSaga because of its importance in Batman lore and I've been interested in the comic version of Bane since seeing Dark Knight Rises and playing the Arkham games. I had just been told by her and others that the middle chapter isn't necessary and somewhat boring. It's not important enough to collect in trade I guess.... It takes the time to setup Bruce's recovery, Azrael's insanity and visions of his father, Robin's reasons for going solo, Gordon's loss of faith in Batman, and then AzBats kills an unimportant villain at the end to nail it all home. It's only important to understand that they took a good amount of time to really drive home the point that "no, you really don't want a 90's style Batman" and that the insanity of Jean Paul by KnightsEnd just didn't come out of nowhere right after he defeats Bane.
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The Wreck posted:It's not important enough to collect in trade I guess.... It's been collected in the most recent trades of the arc!
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The Wreck posted:It's not important enough to collect in trade I guess.... So good enough to read, not good enough to actually buy. That makes sense. So far the books I've read that I immediately bought afterwards were Year One, Long Halloween, Dark Victory and Killing Joke. I bought 'Arkham Asylum: Serious House on a Serious Earth' on a whim and actually really enjoyed it. I've read plenty of other essential books (Death in the Family, Lonely Place of Dying, etc) but didn't find them good enough to actually collect. However, when it comes to the New 52, I've bought the first three volumes of both the Batman and Batgirl trades. Much as I must come off as an enormous pain in the rear end, I appreciate all the help.
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Just read Batman #500 and skip Knightsquest, except maybe the Joker issues. Definitely not worth buying the collection.
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Teenage Fansub posted:There was some Matches Malone stuff in Batman Incorporated. Man, I want to see more of Bruce Wayne in action. Not Bats. Just Bruce. I loved the opening to the Arkham City game. The rest of it? Meh. EDIT: Are there any books about just Bruce?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:So good enough to read, not good enough to actually buy. That makes sense.
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Timeless Appeal posted:You should read The Man Who Laughs, Robin: Year One, and Batgirl: Year One. I think the latter two are collected in one trade now. They fit in nicely with the early years portrayed in Year One and the Loeb/Sale books. I've read Batman: Venom, Catwoman: When in Rome, Robin: Year One, and Batman: The Last Arkham in addition to everything else I've mentioned. I'll check out the other two you've mentioned, thanks.
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Matt Wagner's Batman and the Monster Men and Batman and the Mad Monk also fit in nicely in that Year One bit, right between Year One and The Man Who Laughs. I also really liked Sword of Azrael, but it's so '90's (though if you're reading KnightFall...).
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catlord posted:Matt Wagner's Batman and the Monster Men and Batman and the Mad Monk also fit in nicely in that Year One bit, right between Year One and The Man Who Laughs. I also really liked Sword of Azrael, but it's so '90's (though if you're reading KnightFall...). What kind of stories are those? I tend to shy away from anything that's predominately supernatural or extraterrestrial, as well as anything involving the rest of the Justice League. That's why I had a problem (Well, one of many) with 'Death in the Family' as well as my refusal to read 'Dark Knight Returns'
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Pope Corky the IX posted:What kind of stories are those? I tend to shy away from anything that's predominately supernatural or extraterrestrial, as well as anything involving the rest of the Justice League. That's why I had a problem (Well, one of many) with 'Death in the Family' as well as my refusal to read 'Dark Knight Returns' Ah, Mad Monk focuses on a vampire (probably), and Monster Men has Hugo Strange making... well, monster men. Sword of Azrael doesn't straight up have anything provaby supernatural, but it does have a secret religious order, so there's a strain of that in there. Edit: Wait, does that mean you're skipping Batman vs. Predator? That's a shame. I love that one. catlord fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Jul 17, 2014 |
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I'm not entirely opposed to stuff like that, it just runs against a lot of what I like about the Bat Family, which is a realistic bunch of people fighting against villains who at least have some basis in reality. If I wanted to read about aliens and ghosts and poo poo, I'd go for Superman and Green Lantern and the rest of the Justice League. poo poo, I love Deadpool, but at least it's established that he regularly faces preposterous otherworldly beings. Does that make any sense?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:What kind of stories are those? I tend to shy away from anything that's predominately supernatural or extraterrestrial, as well as anything involving the rest of the Justice League. That's why I had a problem (Well, one of many) with 'Death in the Family' as well as my refusal to read 'Dark Knight Returns' I think you'd really dig most of Brubaker and Rucka's Batman stuff. I have a feeling that you'd love Gotham Central, especially its Joker story.
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Timeless Appeal posted:They're retellings of earlier Batman stories. You shouldn't have a problem with Monster Men, but I don't think you'd mind the vampires in Mad Monk. They're vampires in a pulp/horror tradition that fits the Year One tone. At least I'll definitely take a look at 'Monster Men' and 'Mad Monk' and anything else that's an important part of the Batman lore before my next task, which is the KnightSaga. Whether it be the first and third parts, or the entire thing.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I'm not entirely opposed to stuff like that, it just runs against a lot of what I like about the Bat Family, which is a realistic bunch of people fighting against villains who at least have some basis in reality.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I'm not entirely opposed to stuff like that, it just runs against a lot of what I like about the Bat Family, which is a realistic bunch of people fighting against villains who at least have some basis in reality. If I wanted to read about aliens and ghosts and poo poo, I'd go for Superman and Green Lantern and the rest of the Justice League. poo poo, I love Deadpool, but at least it's established that he regularly faces preposterous otherworldly beings. Does that make any sense? Given how often Batman has dealt with aliens and ghosts in the past 75 years, it doesn't make a WHOLE lot of sense. But you like what you like, there's no fault in that. Refusing to read Dark Knight Returns, though-- you're missing out on the most influential Batman story of the last 30 years by doing that.
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I also recommend picking up Batman by Moench and Jones. The first volume collecting their stuff came out recently and it's pretty awesome. Also Morrison's run is really really really worth picking up.
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Jul 17, 2014 17:11
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I missed that earlier--Why do you refuse to read DKR?
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redbackground posted:I missed that earlier--Why do you refuse to read DKR? I cannot stand Superman. It's probably stupid and irrational, I just don't like stories where other superheroes visit Gotham, especially Supes. I was already not a fan of 'Death in the Family' and then Superman showed up almost as if the book was daring me not to finish it.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I cannot stand Superman. It's probably stupid and irrational, I just don't like stories where other superheroes visit Gotham, especially Supes. I was already not a fan of 'Death in the Family' and then Superman showed up almost as if the book was daring me not to finish it.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I cannot stand Superman. It's probably stupid and irrational, I just don't like stories where other superheroes visit Gotham, especially Supes. I was already not a fan of 'Death in the Family' and then Superman showed up almost as if the book was daring me not to finish it. redbackground fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Jul 17, 2014 |
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redbackground posted:Oh, just a dumb hangup. Exactly Timeless Appeal posted:How do you feel about Superman getting the poo poo beat out of him... You could have stopped there. Orgasmic.
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Which is funny, because stupid poo poo like Batman deciding to beat up Superman for ~reasons~ and other attempts to make Batman more John Wayne than Bruce Wayne is why I'm not a huge fan of DKR and much prefer Batman: Year One for Frank Miller Batman stuff.
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Probably Magic posted:Which is funny, because stupid poo poo like Batman deciding to beat up Superman for ~reasons~ and other attempts to make Batman more John Wayne than Bruce Wayne is why I'm not a huge fan of DKR and much prefer Batman: Year One for Frank Miller Batman stuff. I just like the idea of Superman getting the poo poo beaten out of him, not that I'd enjoy a book like that. I agree with your post. I've also heard that 'Dark Knight Strikes Again' is pretty bad. And then there's his attempt at making Batman a Muslim-hating "freedom fighter" that eventually turned into that awful 'Holy Terror' book.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I just like the idea of Superman getting the poo poo beaten out of him, not that I'd enjoy a book like that. I agree with your post. Yeah those are both terrible but they don't change the fact that DKR is good.
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