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Angry Grimace posted:Its not a matter of being uncounterable, its that if the hate card resolves, you almost instantly lose.
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Veyrall posted:What list are we even talking about? I'm having trouble tracking down any significant "enchantment" decks from any major tournaments, though that might just be my google-fu being bad. Its really annoying to play against because of the sheer number of cards it can play and the amount of mana its throwing off from Nykthos.
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Jul 18, 2014 19:22
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Seems like it just takes a transformational sideboard for G2 and calls it done, since it sounds pretty drat close to being a Mono-Green devotion list. Or maybe just don't go so all-in on the enchantment plan by playing a few PWs who complement your gameplan of CA and big threats. The new Garruk sounds like it'd do in a pinch.
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Jul 18, 2014 19:26
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Veyrall posted:Seems like it just takes a transformational sideboard for G2 and calls it done, since it sounds pretty drat close to being a Mono-Green devotion list. The most annoying variant is the pillow fort variant that plays Sphere of Safety to piss you off.
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Jul 18, 2014 19:27
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Seriously, this is like that Heartless Summoning/Havengul Lich combo deck everybody was keen on during AVR. They spoiled Grafdigger's Cage, and all the alarms went off. "Oh god, everyone will play this and my life will be terrible!" But then nobody played Grafdigger's Cage, least of all on the FNM level the deck was always destined for. Don't be worried that there's some oddly-specific hate for your tier 2 Standard deck, that just means R&D thought your deck was good enough to have a safety valve for. Nobody will play that lovely, lovely card unless destructible-enchantments.dek takes over the metagame, and it's not like you don't have some outs. Golgari Charm is a good card anyway.
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Jul 18, 2014 19:30
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Golgari Charm is a good card. On that note, I was really surprised Simic Charm never made any waves, and never could quite grok why. My best guess is just that not that many decks needed Giant Growth/Unsummon, and the Hexproof was never all that relevant either, though maybe it just got forgotten too. Such is life, and at least my playset will be super-cheap once it rotates.
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Jul 18, 2014 19:34
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LordSaturn posted:Seriously, this is like that Heartless Summoning/Havengul Lich combo deck everybody was keen on during AVR. They spoiled Grafdigger's Cage, and all the alarms went off. "Oh god, everyone will play this and my life will be terrible!" But then nobody played Grafdigger's Cage, least of all on the FNM level the deck was always destined for. Wasn't that because Grafdigger's Cage shuts off your own Snapcaster Mage?
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Jul 18, 2014 19:39
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LordSaturn posted:Seriously, this is like that Heartless Summoning/Havengul Lich combo deck everybody was keen on during AVR. They spoiled Grafdigger's Cage, and all the alarms went off. "Oh god, everyone will play this and my life will be terrible!" But then nobody played Grafdigger's Cage, least of all on the FNM level the deck was always destined for. That's because they were morons and Heartless Summoning was about dropping Wurms and Rune-Scarred Demon. Havengul Lich was a nice addition but it hardly reinvented the list. I miss Heartless, especially when Theros has the sort of things Heartless wanted that RTR was lacking. You don't get to put Erebos and Pulokranos and Stormbreath in the set after Heartless rotates out, assholes.  Oh god Keranos or Doomwake Giant would be some of the sickest t3 plays! Why did Wizards do this to me? 
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Jul 18, 2014 19:41
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Veyrall posted:Golgari Charm is a good card. the only relevant ability (hexproof) the card had was available in better formats in both of those colors
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:That's because they were morons and Heartless Summoning was about dropping Wurms and Rune-Scarred Demon. Havengul Lich was a nice addition but it hardly reinvented the list. Cmon the new Heartless Summoning is Generator Servant. 
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Jul 18, 2014 20:14
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Question about the Rav duals: Are they likely to dip in price after they rotate out of standard, or go up? Logically I would think that becoming unplayable in the biggest format would make them go down, but then I'm not sure if rotation also means that supply dries up a bit and the price starts creeping up. Basically, if I want to grab Rav duals, should I do it now or in October?
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Jul 18, 2014 20:22
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Question about the Rav duals: They are most likely as cheap as they will get right now. They are required for Modern and are not likely to be reprinted again anytime soon. Buy!
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Question about the Rav duals: They'll only get marginally cheaper, if at all. You won't be kicking yourself if you buy now.
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Question about the Rav duals: Buy within the next 6 months or live a wizardly life of regret
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Jul 18, 2014 20:39
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Two cookies to whomever points out the problem with 4/5ths of this list.
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Jul 18, 2014 20:53
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Well constellation can only cast one of them for starters. (ok, it can cast thoughtseize too I guess)
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Jul 18, 2014 20:56
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If I block with a creature, and tap it to activate whatever ability it has before combat damage is dealt, does it still deal combat damage?
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Jul 18, 2014 20:59
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bhsman posted:Two cookies to whomever points out the problem with 4/5ths of this list. You have to hold up significant mana for them to even work. Only Thoughtseize is proactive. Also, why Cancel? There's always a strictly better version....
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Jul 18, 2014 20:59
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bhsman posted:Two cookies to whomever points out the problem with 4/5ths of this list. Rotating.
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Angry Grimace posted:They'll only get marginally cheaper, if at all. You won't be kicking yourself if you buy now. Is this likely to be true of Mutavaults as well? I really want to grab a playset but if their price is going to fall out upon rotation I'll probably just hold off until then.
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Rinkles posted:If I block with a creature, and tap it to activate whatever ability it has before combat damage is dealt, does it still deal combat damage? Yup. It used to deal no damage, but it does now.
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Jul 18, 2014 21:00
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Bugsy posted:I admit that I don't know vintage that well, but playing Kookus is loving awesome. And gobbos with out recruiter? Gobbos come out with lackey and post warchieft (srsly hasty pile drivers for R is boss and t2 siege gang via lackey melts faces) recruiter is for either the charbelcher combo g2 or food chains combo, matron searches out 1 of or emergency goblins. If you build it budget the synergy is still off the charts and can take the early game by storm. Duals for splashing are p cheap now and should even drop some more before leaving modo fingers crossed
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Jul 18, 2014 21:01
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Yup. It used to deal no damage, but it does now. Thanks, that caught me off guard.  (Maybe this is parsable to one other Onslaught alumnus).
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Jul 18, 2014 21:02
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Angry Grimace posted:They'll only get marginally cheaper, if at all. You won't be kicking yourself if you buy now. More than likely this. You will have lots of Standard players dumping them at rotation so the price will dip a very small amount, but after that the price can only go back up...buy 2 play sets 
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Jul 18, 2014 21:06
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Anniversary posted:Is this likely to be true of Mutavaults as well? I really want to grab a playset but if their price is going to fall out upon rotation I'll probably just hold off until then. I believe Mutavault isn't nearly as ubiquitous in modern as the shocks are. Wait on them. The thing about buying shocks now too is that it's a little easier to swallow spending about 35-40 a playset every week, rather than ~350 all at once at rotation. Mutavaults don't have that problem, so if you decide to wait until a week after rotation, eh, you're still just buying one play set. I realize that's somewhat artificial, but amortizing costs is a thing.
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Jul 18, 2014 21:07
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My guess is just that shocks can't get all that much cheaper than they are now unless WOTC decides to abolish the Reserved List and print Underground Sea, etc. in Khans.
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Jul 18, 2014 21:08
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Balon posted:Rotating.  whoop whoop whoop We have a winner, folks. Even the best card, Thoughtseize, only works at sorcery-speed.
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Jul 18, 2014 21:09
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bhsman posted:
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Boxman posted:I believe Mutavault isn't nearly as ubiquitous in modern as the shocks are. Wait on them. This is pretty much how I feel. I have spent this week getting a set of Stomping Ground and Overgrown Tomb on ebay. I figure MOST ebay players can get a set for about $3-4 cheaper than on TCG so even if the prices of shocks drop another $.50/card I am still right where I want to be. Angry Grimace posted:Cancel isn't actually rotating, though. Yea this got a reprint in M15.
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I would say to not wait to pick up shock lands if you plan on using them because they're not going to drop much or for long. A full playset of them would be good to have. Mutavault isn't going to hold price or see a similar price again unless it shows up in another Standard in the future or there's a totally unheard of level of bannings in Modern. edit: Probably don't speculate on shocks. Probably don't speculate at all outside of absurdly good prices or trade throw ins.
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I love cube. Absolutely ridiculous P3P2:  Final Pool/Deck:  P1P1 Mana Vault because I really didn't want to take the Terastodon and do Green Ramp a third time in a row. P1P2 Ulamog because maybe artifact ramp can happen, then I got passed nothing but Mana Rocks and Blightsteel. I got Metalworker late pack 2 and felt that my silliness had been rewarded. I also got to live the dream in Green last night:  3-0 with that one 
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If anyone's interested I'm gonna stream a MMA draft, and practice UWR Twin. I'll probably do a Cube Draft after that too.
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BaronVonVaderham posted:I love cube. How the gently caress does neither Library nor Lotus get picked first in that pack?
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Jul 18, 2014 21:41
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A reminder that Ancient Grudge is a sick nasty card in powered/holiday cube.
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Jul 18, 2014 21:43
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Balon posted:Rotating. Khans of Tarkir has cards. 250ish of them. We go through this every drat year, trying to figure out much of anything about the new standard before the fall set is spoiled is pointless.
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Jul 18, 2014 21:53
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Exactly. This time last year people would have called you crazy if you said "The best deck in Standard after rotation will contain 4 copies of both Nightveil Specter and Pack Rat."
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Bugsy posted:How the gently caress does neither Library nor Lotus get picked first in that pack? I have been asking myself, "What the gently caress could he have picked from that pack....." since I saw that. Got there round 1. Game 1 Turn 2 Metalworker into Blightsteel one-hit-kill. Game 2 was slower, I didn't have a topper in hand but "finally" drew Inkwell Leviathan on turn 4. He copied it with a shapeshifter but I won that race.
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Angry Grimace posted:Cancel isn't actually rotating, though. Not that you'd ever play it with Dissolve and Dissipate both being in the format.
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rujasu posted:Not that you'd ever play it with Dissolve and Dissipate both being in the format. You'd probably never play with it in any format.
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Bugsy posted:How the gently caress does neither Library nor Lotus get picked first in that pack? Some people are good at magic...
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