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Ralith
Jan 12, 2011

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortune
I'd be a heavenly person today
Another happy discovery: the Mammoth's teleport shot ability plays well with gliders, so you can basically use it like afterburners to get extra airtime. Only tricky bit is you teleport in with zero velocity and instantly stall, so you have to be quick on leveling out. Not sure how well it scales; I only have a level 6 one righ tnow.

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Terminus
May 6, 2008
When you first get into Dredge there should be a quest from the town sheriff on the job board called "In the Wheelhouse" asking you to talk to some guy in town to get a bike. The quest it pretty standard go here, kill things, go there, escort a guy back to Dredge, go somewhere else, kill some more things. After you're done you get a recipe for the bike, it's standard but has unlimited uses. You need one each of the first three green craftable components and some crystite to actually build it.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
The quest hasn't been showing up for me, so I've been doing dredge jobs to cycle the board. I should try relogging next.

Literal Hamster
Mar 11, 2012

YOSPOS

Ralith posted:

Wait, what? A reusable one? What quest?

You get it at level 25+ in Dredge, Sertao. It comes from an ARES Job named 'In The Wheelhouse'. The Job Boards are semi-random, so just keep coming back until you see the job on the board. The job rewards you with the P-1 LGV blueprint, which you then need to manufacture yourself.

This should probably be in the OP.


Inimicul
Oct 14, 2006

Shenanigans!
The big reason why people are dropping squad thumpers in the newbie areas is to get a fuckload of crafting components like shells and bones. Farming level 8 guys with a level 40 frame is pretty easy. Shell fragments and bone chips are hard to find otherwise.

As for the differences in the various bikes, the P1 you get from the Dredge quest has Average for all of its stats. It has a top speed of about 53 kph and handles like a pig. The one you unlock at 40 has Good for all of its stats so it is much better. Any of the bikes you buy off the Red Bean store has Excellent for the stats and are what we are used to with the Locust and all the other R-54 variants.

If I had to rank performance, I'd say the P1 is 50% as good as the bean bikes. The level 40 bike (who's name eludes me) is only 75%.

In my opinion, it's well worth the money to buy one of the bean bikes. Not only do you help keep the game running but you get to have the best performing bike at level 1 without having to deal with one of the most frustrating quests.

Edit:

This dude's going to have TMJ.

Inimicul fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Jul 20, 2014

Lemon King
Oct 4, 2009

im nt posting wif a mark on my head

randombattle posted:

I thought the rb store one was just a normal bike but not a sweet chopper like the founder packs.

RB Store bike is a purple and I believe you can win it from the Vending machine too.

TheBlandName
Feb 5, 2012
Well, after a about a dozen hours with the patch I'd say it has exactly the same Red5 sheen as every other patch in the history of the game. The base mechanics are neither especially good nor especially bad for a shooter. Anything unique about them is squashed by poor utility of the unique features. The netcode is quite poor for the damage output of enemies, and many classes have no good option for reducing non-combat downtime. On the whole, it's an ok game because of the novelty of drop-in drop-out open world coop, but the balance is atrocious in places. It's like they've got three or four content teams for each aspect of the game and none of them are working off the same design document. There's very polished quality of life features in some areas of the world and a deep abiding hatred for the player in other areas. Some Ares jobs are quick and painless, and others send you to every corner of the zone. Some resources flow quickly, and others (everything bio) are absurdly bottle-necked in comparison. Critical mechanical details on perks are hidden from the player while respecs are limited, encouraging you to get your perk selection right the first time. (Never mind the anti-competitive and meta-freezing effects limited respecs will have on PvP.)

Overall, it's a deeply flawed entry in a subgenre that doesn't have any standout titles. You can't do better, but that's not really because of the quality of Firefall so much as the utter lack of choice.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
Unlike with the endless beta hell, there is actually a possibility that the game can improve from here. If they spend all the man hours that were formerly dedicated to remaking everything but the basic assets every couple months on refining the current system, it could get much better. It could also get worse. Red5's actual capability for making a fun game is an unknown quantity. They sell hats for real money, so odds are they will have a chance to show what they can do at least.

Inimicul
Oct 14, 2006

Shenanigans!
Welp. We've just hit the army member cap. Time to start a plan B.

Edit: I'll probably wind up kicking and reinviting everyone again to purge the inactives.

Inimicul fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Jul 21, 2014

Nalin
Sep 29, 2007

Hair Elf

Inimicul posted:

Welp. We've just hit the army member cap. Time to start a plan B.

Edit: I'll probably wind up kicking and reinviting everyone again to purge the inactives.
I thought the army cap was supposed to be 200. Ugh. I guess this means I have to start working around the AllianceBot issues.

EDIT: Getting a new working AllianceBot will involve multiple accounts, one for each army. This normally wouldn't be too difficult, however something has changed in the XMPP login logic that can cause accounts to not be able to log in using the normal method. If new accounts exhibit this issue, it may cause delays in getting a working system. So purging inactives will be the only solution to this issue for the time being.

Nalin fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Jul 21, 2014

SilentW
Apr 3, 2009

my It dept hgere is fucking clwonshoes, and as someone hwo used to do IT for 9 years it pains me to see them fbe so terriuble
:ducksiren: Important PSA to anyone who cannot access chat or Friends - :ducksiren:

If you created your account a while ago (3 years ago in my case), it appears some kind of data migration was done since then, and Red5 hosed it up. The chatserver's authentication DB got munged during the migration and it won't have the correct username/password on file for you.
To fix this, you have to change your password... but of course the website works off the same munged database and won't let you, claiming that your current password (that you are currently using to successfully log in and play) is invalid.
To fix this, go to the Firefall website and try to log in. Use 'Forgot Password' change your password. If you like, you can change it back again immediately after. Now log back in to the game, all should be well.

I was wondering why the Army chat was so quiet...

XENA I LOVE YOU
Sep 11, 2010

TheBlandName posted:

Well, after a about a dozen hours with the patch I'd say it has exactly the same Red5 sheen as every other patch in the history of the game. The base mechanics are neither especially good nor especially bad for a shooter. Anything unique about them is squashed by poor utility of the unique features. The netcode is quite poor for the damage output of enemies, and many classes have no good option for reducing non-combat downtime. On the whole, it's an ok game because of the novelty of drop-in drop-out open world coop, but the balance is atrocious in places. It's like they've got three or four content teams for each aspect of the game and none of them are working off the same design document. There's very polished quality of life features in some areas of the world and a deep abiding hatred for the player in other areas. Some Ares jobs are quick and painless, and others send you to every corner of the zone. Some resources flow quickly, and others (everything bio) are absurdly bottle-necked in comparison. Critical mechanical details on perks are hidden from the player while respecs are limited, encouraging you to get your perk selection right the first time. (Never mind the anti-competitive and meta-freezing effects limited respecs will have on PvP.)

Overall, it's a deeply flawed entry in a subgenre that doesn't have any standout titles. You can't do better, but that's not really because of the quality of Firefall so much as the utter lack of choice.

This is pretty much what killed it for a couple of us. The old fun randomized ARES missions were rare to find for us, or too low level. And the new ARES job board missions were all go interact with object, kill 6-10 of X, wait for Aero/NPCs to shut the gently caress up, walk 600 meters and do it all over again. We also felt the progression was stupid slow even with VIP. The fact that all our frames were below level 20 but all our gear being 30-40 was just a great big gently caress you on top of that.

Ralith
Jan 12, 2011

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortune
I'd be a heavenly person today

XENA I LOVE YOU posted:

The fact that all our frames were below level 20 but all our gear being 30-40 was just a great big gently caress you on top of that.
Frames are level-capped per zone. Go to Sertao/DT if you have a high level frame.

XENA I LOVE YOU
Sep 11, 2010

Ralith posted:

Frames are level-capped per zone. Go to Sertao/DT if you have a high level frame.

We don't have any high level frames. The highest any of us had was around 24.

Ralith
Jan 12, 2011

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortune
I'd be a heavenly person today

XENA I LOVE YOU posted:

We don't have any high level frames. The highest any of us had was around 24.
That's the level cap. Go to a Sertao/DT.

Wilko
Dec 3, 2013

:toot:

SilentW posted:

:ducksiren: Important PSA to anyone who cannot access chat or Friends - :ducksiren:

If you created your account a while ago (3 years ago in my case), it appears some kind of data migration was done since then, and Red5 hosed it up. The chatserver's authentication DB got munged during the migration and it won't have the correct username/password on file for you.
To fix this, you have to change your password... but of course the website works off the same munged database and won't let you, claiming that your current password (that you are currently using to successfully log in and play) is invalid.
To fix this, go to the Firefall website and try to log in. Use 'Forgot Password' change your password. If you like, you can change it back again immediately after. Now log back in to the game, all should be well.

I was wondering why the Army chat was so quiet...

Will do this when I get home. I was wondering why nobody was in the army chat after that first day and why I couldn't chat yesterday

XENA I LOVE YOU
Sep 11, 2010

Ralith posted:

That's the level cap. Go to a Sertao/DT.

Still 24.

MaNiAk
Jan 1, 2005

Hi my name is Doxylamine Succinate, I will be serving you tonight
Applying here as DeathGibs ingame, I'd like to shoot things with other people instead of by myself here

Inimicul
Oct 14, 2006

Shenanigans!

Nalin posted:

So purging inactives will be the only solution to this issue for the time being.

Yeah. This is what I'm going to have to do. I'll kick and reinvite everyone I don't remember seeing online in the last day or two. I know there are some old timers who have no plans to come back. Hopefully I'll also catch any that came back and left again after just a couple of days.

JonusRockweller
Jul 3, 2013
Played a bit today after a short break. Chosen Thumpers feel hilariously ironic, finally getting to harass them instead, the thumpers come with their own turrets and my god do they hurt, it's like a sniper rifle that pings you for 11k damage and seldom misses. Still, I love it and its nice to see the expanded area.

Edit:

Inimicul posted:

Welp. We've just hit the army member cap. Time to start a plan B.
Good lord, seriously..?

Arianya
Nov 3, 2009

I've been playing a little the past couple of days, keeping out of the Army for now since there seem to be cap issues and I'm not sure how long I'll be playing for, but does the non-army community seem a little... dead? I kept poking around asking about groups for thumping and was met either with total silence or "Why would you want to group?". Its not really how I remember it from back in beta when you could ask about a group and get invites/requests for invites within seconds.

I mean, I like the new changes, it makes the game much more streamlined, but I don't tend to see many people around. I am however in Copacabana, maybe it'll even out in Sertao/later on.

Also, whats the difference between higher level Ability Modules and lower level? Up to Level 20, they all seem to have the same base effect (i.e. Deployed adds +1 Object to Deployment, Cooled +20% cool down)

JonusRockweller
Jul 3, 2013
Can answer that last bit at least. Higher level modules increase the 'Power Level' of your frame while equipped, which adds roughly 1% Health/Damage/Healing, as for the effects of the modules, that is based on it's quality. The +1 Deploy Module seems, intentionally handicapped. Im sure even a Lv40 Purple wouldn't even have +2

Inimicul
Oct 14, 2006

Shenanigans!
Actually, blue has +2 as well. If you wanted to make a mid level blue deployment module it may only have 9-10 power but you'll get your precious +2 without breaking the bank. Add in a blue or purple Lasting module and a hybrid blue slot that adds duration and you're in business. Since I've done that I don't feel like the Bastion is terribad anymore.

As for the feeling lonely out in Copa, I completely understand. Keep in mind that Copa content can be blown through in an hour. You'll see more people when you get to Trans Hub and beyond. Things start to slow down a bit there and Trans Hub is the new hub of activity like Copa used to be.

I stopped inviting passers-by into my thump groups because thumping is bugged right now. Sometimes the group members don't get rewards but you always get participation rewards if you do at least 20% of the kills/damage during the thump.

Now that the squad thumpers are changed, that may alter the way random groups happen again. Like you, I remember easily getting invites during thumps way back in the day.

Speaking of thumps, I checked the numbers.

Stock Personal: 250 split - Iron
Personal 1: 275 split - Iron and Tungsten
Personal 2: 300 split - Iron, Tungsten, and Titanium
Personal 3: 325 split - Iron, Tungsten, Titanium, and Uranium
Stock Squad: 300 each - Iron
Squad 1: 325 each - Iron, and Tungsten
Squad 2: 350 each - Iron, Tungsten, and Titanium
Squad 3: 375 each - Iron, Tungsten, Titanium, and Uranium

Ralith
Jan 12, 2011

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortune
I'd be a heavenly person today
Wait, lower level thumpers can't mine higher level resources anymore?

TheBlandName
Feb 5, 2012
Don't forget that bringing a thumper to 100% gives out large bonuses. A personal 3 that you and four buddies get to 100% gives 325 resources split between you all, and another 325 resources for each of you. A squad 3 that you bring to 100% gives 750 resources for each member of the squad.

Inimicul
Oct 14, 2006

Shenanigans!

TheBlandName posted:

Don't forget that bringing a thumper to 100% gives out large bonuses. A personal 3 that you and four buddies get to 100% gives 325 resources split between you all, and another 325 resources for each of you. A squad 3 that you bring to 100% gives 750 resources for each member of the squad.

Yes. That's been one of the major reasons why running personal thumpers as a group was usually better than running smaller squad thumpers. The dynamic has changed again giving Mathhammer nerds another chance to play with their calculators to figure out a new efficiency chart.

Also, I think I'm done with the sweep for now. I kicked and invited about 50 people. The rest of the names were either people I've talked to online today, saw online as I was doing it, have big boobs, or were so far down the list I figured they had to be new invites.

As any good leader I made sure to send out invites to everyone I kicked with a friendly, heartfelt, canned copy/pasted message roughly explaining what happened. I'm also fairly sure I typed some peoples names wrong when sending out the invites so... Mission accomplished!

I really hope someone makes an addon that shows who's been offline for months and allows for easy kicks / invites. Perhaps I should butter up Arkii or Hanachi again. I've asked LK for too much already.

Nalin
Sep 29, 2007

Hair Elf

Inimicul posted:

Stock Personal: 250 split - Iron
Personal 1: 275 split - Iron and Tungsten
Personal 2: 300 split - Iron, Tungsten, and Titanium
Personal 3: 325 split - Iron, Tungsten, Titanium, and Uranium
Stock Squad: 300 each - Iron
Squad 1: 325 each - Iron, and Tungsten
Squad 2: 350 each - Iron, Tungsten, and Titanium
Squad 3: 375 each - Iron, Tungsten, Titanium, and Uranium
Oh man, that is pretty low. I didn't think it would be that low. If you ever see a tornado in Devil's Tusk, divert whatever you are doing to make sure you get inside the dumb thing. You can easily come out with 2.5k resources if you have a fast frame.

Inimicul posted:

I really hope someone makes an addon that shows who's been offline for months and allows for easy kicks / invites. Perhaps I should butter up Arkii or Hanachi again. I've asked LK for too much already.
I'll add that to the list of things for AllianceBot to track.

DarkDobe
Jul 11, 2008

Things are looking up...

So how does the Baneclaw event work now?
I've been out of the loop so long I'm pretty sure the old items used to summon him are no longer a thing, are they?

Graceful Flop
Feb 1, 2014

Dive in.
Applied to GoonSquad as NodPilot.

Enjoying this so far.

Ville Valo
Sep 17, 2004

I'm waiting for your call
and I'm ready to take
your six six six
in my heart

DarkDobe posted:

So how does the Baneclaw event work now?
I've been out of the loop so long I'm pretty sure the old items used to summon him are no longer a thing, are they?

I don't believe enough of the Melding has been pushed back yet to access him. From the patch notes:

* Baneclaw has been updated and moved to a platoon instance in Devil’s Tusk.
* Kanaloa and Baneclaw both have 7 day lockout timers.

xxEightxx
Mar 5, 2010

Oh, it's true. You are Brock Landers!
Salad Prong
Has the army purge happened yet? I am taking a little break to let the dust settle from the patch so I haven't been in as much in the last few days. Has nothing to do with the Destiny beta either. I swear.

Inimicul
Oct 14, 2006

Shenanigans!
The purge has happened. If I didn't already send a reinvite just apply again.

Inimicul fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Jul 21, 2014

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
So would that be the sole level 40 content aside from pvp?

Ralith
Jan 12, 2011

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortune
I'd be a heavenly person today

Serious Frolicking posted:

So would that be the sole level 40 content aside from pvp?
IIRC, once we unveil the whole area, the entirety of DT is going to be turned into a 20-man instance in which you push back the melding from the start.

Ville Valo
Sep 17, 2004

I'm waiting for your call
and I'm ready to take
your six six six
in my heart

Serious Frolicking posted:

So would that be the sole level 40 content aside from pvp?

At level 40 there are the Kanaloa and Baneclaw raid instances, the Devil's Tusk Melding Push-Back raid instance, Hard-Mode versions of Campaign Missions, Broken Peninsula OWPvP, level 40 ARES Jobs, and as much thumping and crafting as you like.

Cryophage
Jan 14, 2012

what the hell is that creepy cartoon thing in your avatar?
Applied to Goonsquad as Kosciej

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Have any of you gotten to try the endgame PvP zone yet? From what I've seen, it sounds somewhat like a smaller scale Planetside 2 with the multiple sides and bases and vehicles, just with Firefall combat. I really hope this is close to the truth, because it sounds loving awesome and I won't have to give SOE any time or money to get this kind of gameplay.

Morglon
Jan 13, 2010

Safe and sound, detached from reality.
Just like your posting.
Every time you start conquering anything you get swarmed by ten angry bored Russians. Could use some balancing I guess.

TheBlandName
Feb 5, 2012
I'm finding myself flush with credits, and I'm thinking about some market purchases to insulate against Red5's schizophrenic world design. Does anyone know the cool-downs for the reusable crafting station, reusable battleframe station, and reusable garage? The last convenient item I purchased turned out to be anything but.

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Alumnus Post
Dec 29, 2009

They are weird and troubling. We owe it to our neighbors to kill them.
Pillbug
Applied as Sahuagin. It might be buggy, but the campaign's definitely improved since beta.

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