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Matt My advice for the website would be add a feature where I can give you money to take ads off. I'm sure there's some browser app I can get to not have them but I wanna give you money.
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Am the only person that agrees with Pat? Gaming press is bullshit. "Whoa we got to see almost an hour of The Witcher 3, it was neat I guess" Or "We went to a developer and saw a game that we signed NDAs for and we can't tell you poo poo about it" What the gently caress are they doing.
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Jul 22, 2014 14:21
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That's part of the reason gaming news sites are dying in a huge way while places such as Giant Bomb and hopefully the SBF site who focus half on personality and half on possible news(or almost entirely on personality really) and info are prospering. You can see this realization happening almost in real time with GameSpot, who have became kinda like DannyODwyerSpot.com because he's one of the only people on staff with more on-camera charisma than a plank of wood and thus creates the most popular site content and has seemingly become a figurehead for what they want to do in the future.
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Jul 22, 2014 16:40
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Yea basically we've hit a point where, since we no longer rely on magazines and junk, the information that exists is so easily accessed, the big 'news names' are realizing 'oh, poo poo, we need to have actual personalities and poo poo' because why would I listen to a generic 'Witcher 3? Looks pretty cool, you see that griffon thing at E3? Yea, cool, huh?' thing I can hear in piles of other sources unless I liked the person saying it?
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yea basically we've hit a point where, since we no longer rely on magazines and junk, the information that exists is so easily accessed, the big 'news names' are realizing 'oh, poo poo, we need to have actual personalities and poo poo' because why would I listen to a generic 'Witcher 3? Looks pretty cool, you see that griffon thing at E3? Yea, cool, huh?' thing I can hear in piles of other sources unless I liked the person saying it? It's that or do actual journalism.
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Jul 22, 2014 18:00
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hoobajoo posted:It's that or do actual journalism. Well that's never going to happen because everyone in the industry is in bed with everyone else. Even Giant Bomb only criticizes devs and publishers when they REALLY publicly gently caress up.
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Jul 22, 2014 18:01
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Giant Bomb is not big enough to be able to burn bridges willy-nilly yet, unfortunately. At the rate they're growing though, that might change!
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Captain Invictus posted:Giant Bomb is not big enough to be able to burn bridges willy-nilly yet, unfortunately. I feel like Jeff might have burnt the entire EA Board of Directors in effigy after SimCity though.
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Jul 22, 2014 18:39
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Everyone did that.
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Jul 22, 2014 18:55
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Does anyone know what the song at the end of the podcast was? It was amazing!
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hoobajoo posted:It's that or do actual journalism. What 'actual journalism' is there, though? Like sure you can talk about poo poo like if a company treats its employees bad or whatever but it's not like there's some Deep Throat for video games. Like, one of the reasons I love the Comedy Button guys is they laugh about how when they used to work as game 'journalists' and poo poo and people were all 'you should do REAL journalism', and the only answer they could think of is 'what the gently caress do you want from us?' Like, what stories are there to break that aren't already covered under reviews or human interest things?
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Jul 22, 2014 19:02
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Reviews that aren't bought and paid for before the games come out would be nice. It's loving ridiculous how games journalism and reviews are basically entirely made up of shills as a commercial industry.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Reviews that aren't bought and paid for before the games come out would be nice. It's loving ridiculous how games journalism and reviews are basically entirely made up of shills as a commercial industry. lol it's 2014 are you serious
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Jul 22, 2014 19:46
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Lol if you read reviews.
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cmykjester posted:Lol if you read reviews. Review are still part of your industry. Just because you don't read them doesn't mean they aren't important.
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Jul 22, 2014 20:16
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cmykjester posted:Lol if you read reviews. Lol if you like to find out what a video game is potentially like before you buy it instead of just blindly grabbing it and hoping for the best. 
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Jul 22, 2014 20:23
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Sure but why would you read traditional reviews for that? What you want for info on the game is straight up chunks of gameplay footage.
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Jul 22, 2014 20:32
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I guess the keyword is "read" here. Footage doesn't show off what the game is actually like to play unless it's commentated on by the person playing, which is why I like sites like Giant Bomb et cetera. If a game feels lovely to play, you will hear about it from the person who is doing the playing. A lot of the time reviews are full of people trying desperately not to insult the video game like they're gonna hurt its feelings and personally I think the concept of "video games journalism LOL" would disappear if people were more harsh towards lovely video games/video game practices.
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Jul 22, 2014 20:40
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CJacobs posted:I guess the keyword is "read" here. Footage doesn't show off what the game is actually like to play unless it's commentated on by the person playing, which is why I like sites like Giant Bomb et cetera. If a game feels lovely to play, you will hear about it from the person who is doing the playing. That's exactly what I'm talking about.
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Jul 22, 2014 20:52
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Would this be a moment to mention The Wolf Among Us Finale is up on the site?
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To be honest nowadays I mostly go by word of mouth because I rarely read reviews and I almost never buy games as soon as they come out (with exceptions like dark souls 2 and witcher 3 soon) Usually if people are still talking about a game 3-4 months after release it's probably pretty decent. To each their own though.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:What 'actual journalism' is there, though? Like sure you can talk about poo poo like if a company treats its employees bad or whatever but it's not like there's some Deep Throat for video games. All journalism is not investigative journalism. Rock Paper Shotgun is a good example of authentic journalism about games.
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roach cum puddle posted:edit: I like super best friends I enjoy the Super Blurst Friends as well.
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Rodyle posted:Sure but why would you read traditional reviews for that? What you want for info on the game is straight up chunks of gameplay footage. This is why I adore GameTrailers' reviews so much. Their score at the end is meaningless but 90% of their videos are gameplay and in perfect bite sized chunks that I won't get bored of if I want just a taste of what a game is like.
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hoobajoo posted:All journalism is not investigative journalism. Rock Paper Shotgun is a good example of authentic journalism about games. So basically stories most people are doing, reviews, a few 'hey check this small dev out', a lot of opinion pieces, and the occasional "HERE'S HOW GAMES ARE SUPES BIGOTED NOW" headline to get easy controversy with the manchildren. HIGH QUALITY JOURNALISM.
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Ok I have to ask. What the gently caress is this paul marketing they keep talking about on the podcast? Are they talking about PAL cause I thought that was just a tv thing.
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Jul 23, 2014 01:07
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It's a general name for "marketing scumbag" like "Jimmy Amazon" was for anonymous package senders on the mailbag videos.
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gently caress trophy 2k14 posted:Ok I have to ask. What the gently caress is this paul marketing they keep talking about on the podcast? Are they talking about PAL cause I thought that was just a tv thing. Generic 'we don't have a name for/can't say the name of this marketing guy' name. Paul Marketing works with Jimmy Amazon I assume. edit: beaten, that's what I get for not hitting send before getting dinner.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:So basically stories most people are doing, reviews, a few 'hey check this small dev out', a lot of opinion pieces, and the occasional "HERE'S HOW GAMES ARE SUPES BIGOTED NOW" headline to get easy controversy with the manchildren. You know what would be nice? If people stopped saying that every article about social issues in nerd hobbies is just clickbait. Maybe that way people will be original when they're being casually dismissive of major flaws in geek culture. Anyway, on a subject that won't cause a stupid internet slapfight, it's good to hear that ConBravo was nuts in a good way and not in a "Pat snapped and punched a fan" way. I hope someone somewhere uploads the panels soon, because they sound like one hell of a time.
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watho posted:Does anyone know what the song at the end of the podcast was? It was amazing! More Important than Michael Jackson by Pretty Lights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTG7TPlvpMI
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Jul 23, 2014 01:42
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There's a lot of bike thiefs in Canada, apparently.
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Jul 23, 2014 01:49
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C'mon, Matt, Sabertooth is 6'6", Wolverine is 5'3" - which is Pat-height which is my height. Movie Wolverine is Sabertooth-sized, which I hate. We had one hero and you took him away from us. 
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Lurks With Wolves posted:You know what would be nice? If people stopped saying that every article about social issues in nerd hobbies is just clickbait. Maybe that way people will be original when they're being casually dismissive of major flaws in geek culture. Your horrible hyperbole aside, maybe some people who hop online to read crap about video games aren't at the same time interested in reading about social stuff? Or at all? Doesn't make them bad people, it makes them people that are not interested in that stuff/don't like being preached at about politics every where they go.
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beep by grandpa posted:Your horrible hyperbole aside, maybe some people who hop online to read crap about video games aren't at the same time interested in reading about social stuff? Or at all? Doesn't make them bad people, it makes them people that are not interested in that stuff/don't like being preached at about politics every where they go. You also don't have to read John Walker's articles, since he's pretty much the only RPS writer that really invests on moral outrage, not that it's his only schtick. I don't read any articles on MOBA games, but it doesn't mean those articles shouldn't exist, are poorly written, or don't qualify as "journalism" because I don't care to read them. I don't want to go on and on and on about what "journalism" really means and what qualifies it, but I think we can agree that there's a difference between cynical clickbait articles and genuine, if overbearing, moralizing.
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hoobajoo posted:You also don't have to read John Walker's articles, since he's pretty much the only RPS writer that really invests on moral outrage, not that it's his only schtick. I don't read any articles on MOBA games, but it doesn't mean those articles shouldn't exist, are poorly written, or don't qualify as "journalism" because I don't care to read them. I was more talking about him doing stupid poo poo like going to a Heroes of the Storm event that was super clearly just a generic 'yep we're doing a MOBA' announcement and asking the random jackoff that was in charge of saying 'check these screenshots out, cool huh' about the sniper chick from Star Craft having too tight an outfit and when they went 'uh ok' turned it into a big thing. Like, you can actually do lovely clickbait articles about social issues, it happens.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I was more talking about him doing stupid poo poo like going to a Heroes of the Storm event that was super clearly just a generic 'yep we're doing a MOBA' announcement and asking the random jackoff that was in charge of saying 'check these screenshots out, cool huh' about the sniper chick from Star Craft having too tight an outfit and when they went 'uh ok' turned it into a big thing. Like, you can actually do lovely clickbait articles about social issues, it happens. You're still writing off a tactless question about an actual problem in geek culture as clickbait, which makes it impossible to have an actual conversation about the problem because half of the population just shoves people bringing it up into the clickbait pile and ignoring it, which is goddamn infuriating. Anyway, since I'm mad enough about this to call you out over it but not mad enough about to have an extended argument about it in the Super Best Friends Play thread of all places, let's all just shut up and watch Matt, Woolie and Liam play as everyone's favorite Marvel vampire hunter.
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Matt I don't know how popular this idea will be so I'm just speaking for myself here. I'd be hyped if you and the Best Friends would create a premium section of the site so for example we could get an extra podcast a week, extra videos (I actually don't have any ideas for premium content, the main thing I would want is 2 podcasts a week) for some monthly/annual fee. Maybe you could just do this for the podcast since a lot of podcasts use this model, releasing a free show in addition to premium shows. I would definitely subscribe since I'm typically a tiny bit disappointed when the friendcast isn't at least 3 hours so I'd pay for more show in a heartbeat.
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I would rather see them start streaming before anything else.
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Yeah if you guys offered a subscription model similar to Giant Bomb's I would definitely pony up for it. Do some kind of subscriber-only streams, remove ads for subscribers, maybe release videos a day early or something?
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