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Basically every Cold War bomber and fighter type from the Western Bloc got some flight hours in, and IIRC there was only one air-to-air loss on the Coalition side. That guy must have been pretty embarrassed.
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Yeah the highway of death was seen as bad. How far we have come.
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Jul 23, 2014 04:21
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StandardVC10 posted:That guy must have been pretty embarrassed. Well, for a few seconds at least.
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Jul 23, 2014 04:22
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Somewhere I have a binder of Desert Storm trading cards.
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Jul 23, 2014 04:24
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I am spontaneously moved to vomit.
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Jul 23, 2014 04:24
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Mauser posted:I'm not sure if it happened at all prior to Desert Storm pt 1 but military censorship of the media was pretty great and war was sterilized for americans so all they saw was cool explosions, soldiers walking places tanks doing stuff and zero bodies. Yeah, which was part of the genesis of this photo: 
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Jul 23, 2014 04:29
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I think that guy might be dead?
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Jul 23, 2014 04:30
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Nah he's fine. Just covered in a lot of mud is all.
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Jul 23, 2014 04:41
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moller posted:Somewhere I have a binder of Desert Storm trading cards. See if that thing burns. Wait no don't do that. His eyes will just glow and the card will spew out fluorine.
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Jul 23, 2014 04:45
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DemeaninDemon posted:See if that thing burns. Oh poo poo, you think it's me keeping him alive?
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Jul 23, 2014 04:47
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Jul 23, 2014 05:13
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cafel posted:I just finished up a month and a half American road trip from New York to LA for two people that came out to just a bit more than what Nintendo Kid's trip apparently cost. It's pretty easy if your only expense is cheap street food and gas. Lodging is definitely cheaper in Europe, but if you're on a road trip you can forgo paying for lodging and sleep in your car if you want to cut costs to the bone. Use YMCAs, applicable churches and rest and truck stops for showers. This recent road trip came out to quite a bit less than a similarly long trip in Europe I once took since the total price of gas for two came out to about the price of a cheap airline ticket for one and we slept in the car except for the few times we crashed on acquaintances couches. This guy knows what up. Anyone talking a flight to Europe as part of a cheap vacation is a loving bougie shitlord. DemeaninDemon posted:See if that thing burns. Whatever you do, don't place nickelodeon gak anywhere near Cheney or a likeness thereof
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Jul 23, 2014 05:13
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moller posted:Somewhere I have a binder of Desert Storm trading cards. I remember these, I think they're still in my parents' house somewhere. Gotta ask them to mail those down if they're still around.
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Jul 23, 2014 05:20
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ReindeerF posted:D&D's biggest surprise will come when they find out that the minorities will do exactly that and not as some brilliant and complex implementation of re-distributive justice, but because they're greedy morons just like the rest of us. Human nature is a bitch and doesn't obey dramatic narrative.  HUMAN NATURE
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Jul 23, 2014 06:35
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moller posted:Edit: Three Kings is the best Iraq War I film. this is 100% accurate, three kings is a fantastic film and one really one of our best war movies. i know people say it's impossible to make a war movie that doesn't glorify war or some poo poo but i don't think three kings glorifies war. the violence and combat in the movie is tragic, confusing, and senseless.
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Jul 23, 2014 07:34
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I protested the start of the recent Iraq war at age 17 because I thought it would be bad for the troops and I expected to become one soon. I was a militarist, a nationalist, and I was against the war for that reason. I didn't mesh well with the ANSWER weirdos. I thought that the policies of the Bush administration that were "pro-American" were like the policies of Hitler that were pro-German, which lead to the ethnic cleansing of millions of Germans and the erasure of a thousand years of German history in Eastern Europe. I was pro-family, anti-immigration, everything else, and I went out onto the streets and blocked traffic and shouted into megaphones because I was against the Iraq War. Wholly and utterly. Where did I fit on the political spectrum?
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Jul 23, 2014 10:03
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I really just thought it wasn't constructive for the USA in general, hosed up our world hegemony, and would get a bunch of American soldiers killed for absolutely nothing. This is criticism from a person who was extreme right-wing at the time. It just didn't have any utility. But hey, it happened.
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Jul 23, 2014 10:06
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Tony Jowns posted:
Other than like looney-tunes postmodernism/critical theory and pre-1970s looney-tunes behaviorism (and 2/3rds of D&D), everyone admits there is HUMAN NATURE. It is hard to look at history without seeing some patterns, and biology and psychology are essentially investigations of HUMAN NATURE..
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Jul 23, 2014 12:00
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cheerfullydrab posted:I really just thought it wasn't constructive for the USA in general, hosed up our world hegemony, and would get a bunch of American soldiers killed for absolutely nothing. This is criticism from a person who was extreme right-wing at the time. It just didn't have any utility. But hey, it happened. I'm not going to comment on where you would have fallen on the political spectrum but I distinctly remember thinking it was dumb as hell to start a second war especially considering this one seemed to come out of nowhere and even at the time felt like they were grasping for straws trying to convince everyone. Hindsight has completely justified everyone's suspicions of course, including fascist 17 year old you.
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Jul 23, 2014 12:26
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made of bees posted:I'm too young to remember it and history classes never got anywhere near that recent, what was the deal with Desert Storm? Sadam was like, "Hey, America, I'm totally gonna invade Kuwait and take all their oil." And then the American envoy was like, "Hmm, ok, whatever dude." And then Sadam invaded Kuwait and took all their oil so America bombed Iraq using every piece of military hardware it had (including a WWII battleship) and sent in ground forces to take back Kuwait, at which point George H.W. Bush figured that he'd done enough to justify the expansion of the DoD budget. Then there was a parade and a crippling sanctions regime that lasted over a decade. The Shia and Kurdish uprising spinoffs weren't as exciting, but they really brought it all back for the reboot in the 2003.
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Jul 23, 2014 12:44
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We saved the democracy of Kuwait!
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Jul 23, 2014 12:49
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Also Schwartzkopf pulled off a double envelopment which made military strategy guys hard.
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Jul 23, 2014 12:50
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you can't change human nature, but you can change the systems and structures that we use to govern and limit it. also my parents tell me that when desert storm was going down I was afraid that iraqi soldiers were gonna come attack our house in canada.
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Jul 23, 2014 13:19
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R. Mute posted:aside from the fact that you're dismissing postmodernism as 'looney-tunes', human nature was clearly being used in a colloquial sense here and really had absolutely nothing to do with any scientific theory. if you're saying that 'yeah, here are some really, really basic observations which form the vague, nebulous mass that we call human nature' then well, shucks, you're right. but you're a big huge sperg to "correct" tony jowns here. you're being like that guy that says 'well, evolution is just a theory' I like D&D, but like anything it has its flaws. Somebody earlier in the thread said something like "D&D = super-liberal white guys calling each other racist" which was pretty funny. This isn't as funny or as trenchant but "D&D = violently rejecting the notion that white people and minorities are fundamentally the same". pangstrom fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Jul 23, 2014 |
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Jul 23, 2014 13:30
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pangstrom posted:When it comes to its denial of human nature, postmodernism is looney-tunes. (But my intention was to say "the looney tunes version of postmodernism" because I'm sure there's some strain that isn't as absolutist) isn't absolutism pretty much the opposite of postmodern thought though?
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Jul 23, 2014 13:39
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Human nature is nonsense. I mean non sensical. Feral children don't walk out of the woods with culture.
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Jul 23, 2014 13:42
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pangstrom posted:When it comes to its denial of human nature, postmodernism is looney-tunes. (But my intention was to say "the looney tunes version of postmodernism" because I'm sure there's some strain that isn't as absolutist) but personally, i don't think human nature can really be found outside of lab settings and any explanations of real life events with 'oh, it's human nature' just smack of lazy thinking.
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Jul 23, 2014 13:47
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Exclamation Marx posted:isn't absolutism pretty much the opposite of postmodern thought though? euphronius posted:Human nature is nonsense. I mean non sensical. Feral children don't walk out of the woods with culture.  I don't want to ruin the thread arguing with 2/3rds (who largely mean well) of D&D with only 1/3rd (in which assholes are over-represented) on my side. I'm sure we've had a million human nature threads that I have avoided like the plague I will SIGH AS I DRAW MY KATANA in one of those if someone wants to make another one.
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Jul 23, 2014 13:58
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R. Mute posted:i don't think tony jowns (or myself, for that matter, as i objected to human nature earlier in the thread) were objecting against reindeer's argument that all people are essentially the same (they are). the thing about reindeer's post i don't agree with are the claims that all humans are greedy morons and that this is because of some form of human nature. hell, if we are going to put that much credit in human nature, there have been enough studies that point out that humans are generally altruistic, rather than greedy.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:04
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pangstrom posted:The objection was that the words "human nature" were seen in the haram context of "white people aren't worse". Truly the non-laziest of thinking.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:06
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Hell yes evo psych.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:08
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pangstrom posted:
If you include "human nature" in human then no they are not. Is a bee without a hive a bee? No. It is chitinous material floating on the wind.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:16
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do you even foucault?
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Jul 23, 2014 14:24
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euphronius posted:If you include "human nature" in human then no they are not. So you would deny a bee her essential beeness?
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Jul 23, 2014 14:26
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p sure it's a bee
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R. Mute posted:i don't think tony jowns (or myself, for that matter, as i objected to human nature earlier in the thread) were objecting against reindeer's argument that all people are essentially the same (they are). the thing about reindeer's post i don't agree with are the claims that all humans are greedy morons and that this is because of some form of human nature. hell, if we are going to put that much credit in human nature, there have been enough studies that point out that humans are generally altruistic, rather than greedy. aye this is what i was getting at, basically. the idea that the greedy, selfish and destructive habits which are common today, particularly among those in power, are due to "human nature" rather than a direct result of the culture in which those humans are raised and live their lives is nonsense - based on serious anthropological and sociological studies - and also the laziest way to respond to any progressive's argument about changing the way things currently work. The fact that things currently work for white men is to an extent coincidental, i wasn't trying to get on any 'noble savage' poo poo.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:29
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*in the zizek voice* humannesh
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this is vulgar.
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*while clearly aroused* yesh, vulgar, hnnn *wipes sweat*
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