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The Lord of Hats posted:So just to be sure that I've got the overall message straight... "While the floor on art quality has gone way up, it's unfortunately been accompanied by a general decrease in really stylized cards, and the occasional questionable decision like LotV and new Slivers. Great art exists in all eras, though." Well, one reason I presented it as nothing but card images is to leave the authorial intent vague. Different people will get very different things from the piece. My true feeling, though, is that modern Magic art is exceedingly bland. I don't have more than one favorite current Magic artist, because it all blends together. The switch from paintings and illustrations to digital art is incredibly apparently (see the Chippy section). I think Brad Rigney art looks like a screenshot from a video game FMV.
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I'm actually surprised by how bad a lot of the (more) recent art on that page isn't, though I think the takeaway there is that even drawing to a style guide and with 10+ extra years of experience, Drew Tucker (for example) is going to draw much more characterful art than Steve Argyle. Also even in TSP and Lorwyn blocks, art was still pretty interestingly stylized compared to what it seems like today. Finally, that M14 Angelic Wall art is really pretty nifty IMO. It's arguably more evocative than the Odyssey art, which does go to show that even if the art seems to have become more bland over time, it's not a perfectly linear relationship.
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Jul 23, 2014 08:27
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And then you have an artist like Teresa Nielsen whose style has, in my opinion, only gotten better, although I think she still uses traditional media. I'm biased, though, since she's my favorite artist.
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Jul 23, 2014 08:33
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Oraculum Animi posted:And then you have an artist like Teresa Nielsen whose style has, in my opinion, only gotten better, although I think she still uses traditional media. I'm biased, though, since she's my favorite artist. As if Mirage art wasn't the best already, it had some of her most unique pieces. Nowadays they mostly have her paint people having thoughts and unicorns bounding through the sky, but her dark stuff looks incredible.
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Jul 23, 2014 08:38
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Is Rebecca Guay still around? I don't remember seeing anything in her style recently, but I've only briefly looked over the Theros and RtR visual spoilers.
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Rinkles posted:Is Rebecca Guay still around? I don't remember seeing anything in her style recently, but I've only briefly looked over the Theros and RtR visual spoilers. Doing Magic art? No. Not since Eventide. Not even Avacyn Restored, which should have been the most Guay-friendly set ever.
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Jul 23, 2014 08:43
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kingcobweb posted:Doing Magic art? No. Not since Eventide. Not even Avacyn Restored, which should have been the most Guay-friendly set ever. Shucks.
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Jul 23, 2014 08:46
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I'll defend a certain amount of new Magic art, but underusing Guay when they had her was monumentally stupid.
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Jul 23, 2014 08:47
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kingcobweb posted:As if Mirage art wasn't the best already, it had some of her most unique pieces. Nowadays they mostly have her paint people having thoughts and unicorns bounding through the sky, but her dark stuff looks incredible. Oh man, I remember playing as a kid and seeing King Cheetah on a lot of the promotional material. I still think it looks amazing.
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Jul 23, 2014 08:48
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At least we got one omnipresent tournament staple using her art.
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My biggest complaint with modern card art is that it's often too detailed or busy for the size of the image. I should be able to tell what the card is while it's on the table without having to pick it up and look at it closely (at least for basic things like creatures - spells should be able to have more going on since they really only sit in your hand or the graveyard most the time). It's me, I'm the art grognard.
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Jul 23, 2014 09:05
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IMO the period from the beginning of Mirage through to either the end of Urza or sometime in Masques block was the ideal balance of art styles and quality for creating an evocative, coherent, not-quite-realist world where all the card images sort of hung together to show you things. Ice Age and before, you still had a high proportion of 'rough' if not precisely bad art; starting with Invasion, it felt like there was more and more style control being applied even if they still hung onto a lot of the interesting artists for a few more years. For the sweep of time in between, though, the art was in this place where it largely had this whimsical individual character and yet you could buy it all as being part of the world in and around Jamuura, or Rath or Tolaria or Yavimaya or whatever it was supposed to be.
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Jul 23, 2014 09:19
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Why is it that people hate the art on LOTV?
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Jul 23, 2014 10:11
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Does anybody have a list of green creatures with the ability to destroy artifacts (preferably upon entering the battlefield) that is also legal in modern? The list that I can think of off the top of my head is pretty short. Reclamation sage, sylvan primordial, acidic slime, glissa sunseeker, indrik stomphowler, harmonic sliver, terrastadon. Any that I am missing? E: forgot about qasali pridemage Tonetta fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Jul 23, 2014 |
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Jul 23, 2014 10:27
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Homo for Hitler posted:Does anybody have a list of green creatures with the ability to destroy artifacts (preferably upon entering the battlefield) that is also legal in modern? Angry Grimace posted:Why is it that people hate the art on LOTV?
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Jul 23, 2014 10:28
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whydirt posted:My biggest complaint with modern card art is that it's often too detailed or busy for the size of the image. I didn't realize Supreme Verdict wasn't a giant laser shooting down from the sky until this past week when I compared it to the buy-a-box promo art and looked really closely. Angry Grimace posted:Why is it that people hate the art on LOTV? Her shoulders, breasts and hips are all pointing in the sexiest possible individual directions, independently of each other. It catches extra hate for it for being used as a face of the game - life-sized stickers of it on game store doors, etc. Johnny Landmine fucked around with this message at 10:39 on Jul 23, 2014 |
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Jul 23, 2014 10:33
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Also the picture just looks plastic and terrible. Compare with the original Liliana Vess piece.
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Jul 23, 2014 10:40
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Yeah, they definitely put the worst Liliana art on the best Liliana card, which is a bummer in addition to her severe case of Comic Book Spine.
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Jul 23, 2014 10:43
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Oraculum Animi posted:Unfortunately with this shift in medium also comes more cheesecake, that Liliana for instance. whydirt posted:My biggest complaint with modern card art is that it's often too detailed or busy for the size of the image. While we're at it, I might as well push Chippy's more modern art over his older stuff. His period from about Kamigawa to Zendikar contains my favourite illustrations in the game, easily: Ragged Veins, Shivan Meteor, his Esper lands, Doom Blade, Master Transmuter, Zealot il-Vec, Shapeshifter's Marrow, Mystic Melting, Mishra's Bauble ... just so much good stuff. You can't persuade me to prefer Bellowing Fiend or the Lancers or Silverglade Elemental or Haunting Apparition over those, not at all.
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Bias or not, I think it's apparent that the artwork on cards has been changing over time. A lot of the whimsical or more fantastic art seems to have been abandoned in favor of more grounded work for the most part. The quality of the work remains all over the place for sure, we get things like bellowing fiend from the past (Honestly this one isn't so bad, there are examples of far worse art we could pick.) and that one where someone photoshopped a kitten underwater or gild from the more recent art. I prefer the old look but some of the art wasn't very good, much like today. The art just feels too real most of the time now, this is wizard poker. As a disclaimer of sorts, I started playing in revised. Olothreutes fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Jul 23, 2014 |
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Jul 23, 2014 12:03
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There's art on the cards?
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MtG has a story??
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ThirdEmperor posted:I'll defend a certain amount of new Magic art, but underusing Guay when they had her was monumentally stupid. Still one of my favorite card arts from the recent sets. This is how all the enchantment creatures should have looked IMO.
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Jul 23, 2014 13:45
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Homo for Hitler posted:Does anybody have a list of green creatures with the ability to destroy artifacts (preferably upon entering the battlefield) that is also legal in modern? Viridian Corrupter, Woodfall Primus, Thornscape Battlemage can do it if kicked as can Mold Shambler, and Nessian Demolok can but usually wont.
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Viridian zealot isn't a 187 ability but he gets artifacts off the board. Edit: there's nullmage Shepard too. Repeatable. Molybdenum fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Jul 23, 2014 |
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Hopping Ghost posted:I didn't realize Supreme Verdict wasn't a giant laser shooting down from the sky until this past week when I compared it to the buy-a-box promo art and looked really closely. Isn't Liliana supposed to be a seductress?
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Jul 23, 2014 17:55
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Don't forget the even-sexier version Argyle felt the need to make!
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Angry Grimace posted:Isn't Liliana supposed to be a seductress? Yes but that's just a sly justification for it and assumes Liliana is a real woman who chose to wear the things she does which would be different. Art direction and marketing are choices made by the company making the game and reflects on the company making it. hth My friend was actually disgusted when he saw argyle's art at Baltimore GP a couple years ago. He didn't want to get his playmat signed which convinced me not to get mine signed either. His art is seriously all the same airbrushed pin up girls. It's a shame he didn't do Karn because I would love to see Karn as a twink.
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Jul 23, 2014 18:18
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Didn't he post a photo of his art room with two random girls passed out under his desk.
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Jul 23, 2014 18:23
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Chill la Chill posted:
Alright let's get a Garruk on Karn playmat action going.
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Jul 23, 2014 18:24
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Give Karn a giant silver artifact boner too
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Jul 23, 2014 18:25
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Angry Grimace posted:Its weird that the modern version of Lord of the Pit actually changes the functionality of the card by refusing to allow you to sacrifice Lord of the Pit to Lord of the Pit.
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Chill la Chill posted:Yes but that's just a sly justification for it and assumes Liliana is a real woman who chose to wear the things she does which would be different. Art direction and marketing are choices made by the company making the game and reflects on the company making it. hth Well, I guess that doesn't answer the question of why sexy drawings of characters is a problem?
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Jul 23, 2014 18:29
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Gyshall posted:Give Karn a giant silver artifact boner too http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3Atap+t%3A%22artifact%22+c%21w&v=card&s=cname
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Jul 23, 2014 18:30
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Angry Grimace posted:Well, I guess that doesn't answer the question of why sexy drawings of characters is a problem? Can we just not have this discussion? I mean, I get the importance and all, and it is a fairly widespread issue, but it's like this horrible mushroom that keeps popping up in threads.
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Jul 23, 2014 18:32
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Bread Set Jettison posted:http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3Atap+t%3A%22artifact%22+c%21w&v=card&s=cname Grim monolith dude. DUH
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Jul 23, 2014 18:33
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The Lord of Hats posted:Can we just not have this discussion? I mean, I get the importance and all, and it is a fairly widespread issue, but it's like this horrible mushroom that keeps popping up in threads. (I don't recall ever having had this discussion, actually.)
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Jul 23, 2014 18:38
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Molybdenum posted:Grim monolith dude. Scepter of Dominance lets you tap stuff though. Also you can't talk about Magic cards with spine-breaking poses without mentioning FtV:20 Tanglewire: 
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vOv posted:Scepter of Dominance lets you tap stuff though. Someone got my joke!
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mango sentinel posted:It has never had that functionality. They fumbled the templating but it's clear from the Alpha card as worded that it means "other than Lord of the Pit." It's not something that was even errata'd. I'm not sure how this doesn't, based on its words, have the functionality to sacrifice itself. Shadowborn Demon also just says "sacrifice a creature," as well, which includes Shadowborn Demon if you really want.
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