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Terms aren't always symmetrical. In my experience, I've usually seen "leftist" used more often as a self-identification or distinction term by people on the left than a slur by people on the right, so the right-wing rhetorical machine doesn't seem to have much to do with it. "Rightist" doesn't become a word because the right are happy to self-identify as conservatives (outside of the new libertarian split/relabeling) and the left doesn't care for it as a slur. And of course, both leftists and conservatives seem to agree to use "liberal" as a slur, so there you go.
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I will celebrate when Joe Lieberman departs from this earth.
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Jul 23, 2014 07:28
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I slur people for being "rightists" all the time. I also use "reactionary" and "counter-revolutionary". Lately, I've been rocking the "counter-revolutionary" because it's so easy to troll people with some quotes from Founding Fathers that disagree with contemporary Conservatism. It's so loving easy. I'm a big geek for virtue ethics (gross, I know) so I'm all over Adam Smith's counters to unrestricted capitalism. Likewise, it wasn't William Penn, I forget who, but the Quaker fucker that Glenn Beck has a hard-on for. Wait for them to bring him up (I always do) since he was one of the few FF that had a clear passion for what we'd now recognize as religion. Bracket 'em off with Deism and poo poo. They'll go for it, this guy loved him some loving Jesus and he was pretty chill letting everybody know. Let them talk about him for a while, seem interested (because you are). As it turns out though, dude was responsible for public schools and was routinely accused of being pro-leveling, which is an old-timey way of saying he was a socialist. You won't change minds, but it's like old-school invincibility at the arcade where your score explodes because you can't not score all the points. The person you are scoring on will probably never speak to you again and will almost certainly hate you forever, but they will be very careful about talking out of turn in the future. That allows people who are underneath them to better express their own opinions and those, those are opinions you can change.
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Jul 23, 2014 07:40
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"Right wingers" is a pretty common term. So is "wingnuts". I heard something today about Adam Corolla bitching that those drat liberals have gotten away with making "conservative" a dirty word, which is kinda hilarious because it's actually conservatives who've demonized the word, but hey, whatever. We'll take what we can get.
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Probably my favorite political term of recent years is "statist", simply because it's such a open window into the mind of the crazy libertarian wingnuts that use it. To use the word "statist" and think it's a cutting insult against someone is to assume that not only is having a functional government is bad, but also that a silent majority of people think that having a functional government is bad and that only people on the political fringe think otherwise  It's the kind of thinking that leads to debt ceiling fights and government shutdowns.
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Jul 23, 2014 08:01
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voting for joe lieberman is like voting for rick santorum in order to shift the GOP toward helping poor people
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Jul 23, 2014 09:03
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You are missing something in your rhetorical jab. Voting for Joe Lieberman is X as voting for Santorum is for shifting the GOP towards helping poor people. What is the X? More importantly, can you find an X that doesn't relate to foreign policy/Israel?
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Jul 23, 2014 09:15
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Shbobdb posted:You are missing something in your rhetorical jab. He did hold Congressional hearings over Night Trap and Mortal Kombat, and later on he was a supporter of No Child Left Behind.
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Jul 23, 2014 10:08
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I always thought 'statist' was just a 'how dare you use real world numbers in your argument against mine' deflection.
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Jul 23, 2014 11:34
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Question: Hypothetically, if the SC agrees with the plaintiffs about the subsidies not allowed to be provided to states without exchanges, will that ruling have any effect on the taxes in Obamacare?
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Jul 23, 2014 11:36
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HorseRenoir posted:Probably my favorite political term of recent years is "statist", simply because it's such a open window into the mind of the crazy libertarian wingnuts that use it. To use the word "statist" and think it's a cutting insult against someone is to assume that not only is having a functional government is bad, but also that a silent majority of people think that having a functional government is bad and that only people on the political fringe think otherwise I've been trying to figure out why I love this word so much, and I think this is pretty much it. They think that accusing someone of believing a state should exist has the same impact as calling someone a Nazi. It's amazing.
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Jul 23, 2014 11:38
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Related to this topic, a libertarian poll doesn't understand people under 30. http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/7/millennials-politicalviewslibertariansocialist.html
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Jul 23, 2014 12:35
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Hedera Helix posted:He did hold Congressional hearings over Night Trap and Mortal Kombat, and later on he was a supporter of No Child Left Behind. Oh my fuckin' Gawd, Night Trap! I haven't thought about that in...20 years?!?
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HorseRenoir posted:Probably my favorite political term of recent years is "statist", simply because it's such a open window into the mind of the crazy libertarian wingnuts that use it. To use the word "statist" and think it's a cutting insult against someone is to assume that not only is having a functional government is bad, but also that a silent majority of people think that having a functional government is bad and that only people on the political fringe think otherwise Mark Levin on his radio show regularly takes credit for the rise in the use of the term "statist". He's very proud of the words popularity. In regard to government shutdowns, he regularly points out that, "the government will be shutdown this weekend" or "the government will be closed for this holiday" and nothing bad will happen. As if its the exact same thing as closing it down for weeks. radical meme fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Jul 23, 2014 |
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Jul 23, 2014 14:24
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It's amazing how such a simple one-sided issue, providing cheaper healthcare to a wider variety of people, can make so many people so loving angry. I think people would have been more accepting of the ACA (when it became available that is, all the bullshit we heard before it became available still would have happened) had there been a public option.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:30
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Since he's probably going to run for office again, I'm happy that he keeps running his dumb mouth.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:33
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quote:Now I don’t assert where he was born, I will just tell you that we are all certain that he was not raised with an American experience. So these things that beat in our hearts when we hear the National Anthem and when we say the Pledge of Allegiance doesn’t beat the same for him.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:33
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Didn't the original pledge of allegiance have you raising your right hand in the air, palm down?  Also who the gently caress says the pledge of allegiance after grade school.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:49
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It was also written by a socialist.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:56
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GOP killed GI Bill reform in under 15 minutes. Coincidentally the parent company of University if Phoenix was joe Kline's biggest contributor.  https://beta.cironline.org/reports/legislation-to-close-loophole-in-gi-bill-college-aid-dies-in-minutes/
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Jul 23, 2014 15:48
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President Ark posted:Didn't the original pledge of allegiance have you raising your right hand in the air, palm down? Conservative town halls open with the pledge of allegiance.
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Jul 23, 2014 15:48
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joeburz posted:Conservative town halls open with the pledge of allegiance. So do House of Reps sessions I believe. It's bullshit jingoism that dates mostly back to the 50's just like all bullshit jingoism that conservatives think the Founding Fathers did upon rising early each morn.
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Jul 23, 2014 15:58
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Fried Chicken posted:GOP killed GI Bill reform in under 15 minutes. Coincidentally the parent company of University if Phoenix was joe Kline's biggest contributor. Well it's not corruption unless the bought politician signs a confession, written in blood, that he absolutely took money in exchange for votes. - John Roberts
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Jul 23, 2014 16:15
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Fried Chicken posted:GOP killed GI Bill reform in under 15 minutes. Coincidentally the parent company of University if Phoenix was joe Kline's biggest contributor. GOP acts in favor of continued defrauding of the government; still rails against moochers and welfare queens.
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Jul 23, 2014 16:20
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If you were curious about the political spending rules unions are subject to vs those corporations are subject to, Demos has you covered http://www.demos.org/publication/do-corporations-unions-face-same-rules-political-spending Spoiler alert: unions are held to a much higher standard than corporations
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Jul 23, 2014 16:25
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Andrew Cuomo's office hobbled ethics investigations - you'll never believe how! http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/23/n...ory-continues-1 Practicing my click hole post writing up in here
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Jul 23, 2014 16:30
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Speaker of the House Ted Cruz is telling House Republicans not to fold on immigration and the border crisis. Apparently his words had some effect and Steve King is "leaning" towards opposing reform in this area. This is shocking. I am shocked.
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Jul 23, 2014 17:06
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Joementum posted:Speaker of the House Ted Cruz is telling House Republicans not to fold on immigration and the border crisis. Well they are having another conference meeting because the whip count is now "fluid" so clearly it did something
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Jul 23, 2014 17:24
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How the gently caress does a freshman Senator have an ounce of influence in the House?
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zoux posted:How the gently caress does a freshman Senator have an ounce of influence in the House? And especially not even a full year after the Obamacare shutdown.
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zoux posted:How the gently caress does a freshman Senator have an ounce of influence in the House? I think he's mostly just giving the GOP an excuse to do something they wanted to do anyway.
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Jul 23, 2014 17:27
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The Tea Party got completely trashed all over the place in the primaries but gets one major upset and suddenly they're back in the driver's seat. Politicians are such chicken poo poo pieces ...of...poo poo.
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Jul 23, 2014 17:28
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zoux posted:How the gently caress does a freshman Senator have an ounce of influence in the House? I think they've decided to make "He who screams loudest" their unofficial method of determining leadership.
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Fried Chicken posted:Andrew Cuomo's office hobbled ethics investigations - you'll never believe how!  Of course, the NYT bury the lede as usual, so 2% of readers will probably learn about the truth.
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Jul 23, 2014 17:36
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zoux posted:How the gently caress does a freshman Senator have an ounce of influence in the House? Chutzpah will take you quite a distance, sometimes far enough that people won't remember that you're a lightweight in way over your head.
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ufarn posted:The first time I saw that article, I thought "hey, that's pretty bad" and scrolled down more - to find like fifty-gajillion more words with revelations on Cuomo. I was amazed at for how long the article kept going, they're really down that rabbit hole. But yeah, most people will probably quit after the first few paragraphs and it doesn't start to get good for a little bit. 
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Fried Chicken posted:GOP killed GI Bill reform in under 15 minutes. Coincidentally the parent company of University if Phoenix was joe Kline's biggest contributor. E: quote:At issue was the so-called 90/10 rule, which bans for-profit schools from receiving government funding if they draw more than 90 percent of their revenue from federal student aid programs. The rule excludes tuition assistance from the GI Bill for veterans and from the Department of Defense, which funds education for active-duty military. JFC
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ufarn posted:The first time I saw that article, I thought "hey, that's pretty bad" and scrolled down more - to find like fifty-gajillion more words with revelations on Cuomo. Surprise level, zero. Seriously.
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Post-secondary education is America at it's finest. See, it would be far too simple to just fund higher education appropriately to bring tuition down to a reasonable level for most people. Obviously the better option is to spend the money subsidizing banks to lend to students (or just outright providing grants to soldiers, since apparently working on the sharp end of American imperialism makes you more deserving than peaceful folks) that can then take the money to some marginally accredited private institution. Of course (and this is totally just a coincidence) that private institution charges the maximum amount of assistance you can get from the government for tuition and spends plenty of that same money on advertising for fresh marks. So banks make some extra money, and private colleges make money hand over first with virtually no risk since they are being paid by the federal government. Everyone win (read: profits), except the students, but who cares about students when setting education policy?
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Chutzpah will take you quite a distance, sometimes far enough that people won't remember that you're a lightweight in way over your head. Let's go with hubris in this case. Chutzpah gives him a little too much credit.
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