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api call girl posted:*By putting his name on pre-existing programs, then mandating abstinence-based education thereby setting back the fight on AIDs by decades. Yeah it's tough to find anything good Bush did, I was reaching. Kinda besides my point though, Obama is hardly a strident advocate for GLBT and never was. Groups were right to criticize him before he "evolved" his opinions.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:A dissent he clearly intended to be sarcastic has been opportunistically taken as a straight-up statement of support for marriage equality more than once by lower courts, presumably to Scalia's seething frustration. Beamed posted:It really is as great as is said. He practically said, sarcastically, "This kind of decision means all state laws banning gay marriage are illegal!" So judges cite that statement, saying "Well Justice Scalia said gay marriage for everyone now". It's honestly one of the brightest moment of the last few years. Anyone who doesn't run on spite hates Scalia (who is probably the biggest example of someone who runs on spite) and he gave all the judges a straight line to make the world a better place by tweaking his nose.
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Jul 23, 2014 21:11
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api call girl posted:*By putting his name on pre-existing programs, then mandating abstinence-based education thereby setting back the fight on AIDs by decades. What pre-existing program did Bush re-label as PEPFAR?
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Zeitgueist posted:Yeah it's tough to find anything good Bush did, I was reaching. Kinda besides my point though, Obama is hardly a strident advocate for GLBT and never was. Groups were right to criticize him before he "evolved" his opinions. This and bringing up SCOTUS appointments are my two responses when someone says that republicans and democrats are the same so why bother to vote anyway. Obama is a disappointment, but anyone with a D after their name is automatically miles above the republican alternative to say nothing of reversing the horrible rulings from the worst court since Taney was Chief Justice.
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Jul 23, 2014 21:19
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A Winner is Jew posted:This and bringing up SCOTUS appointments are my two responses when someone says that republicans and democrats are the same so why bother to vote anyway. Obama is a disappointment, but anyone with a D after their name is automatically miles above the republican alternative to say nothing of reversing the horrible rulings from the worst court since Taney was Chief Justice. My issue has always been that people aren't saying that "both are the same", they're saying they're not different enough on enough issues. Nobody who says that is saying they're identically bad, they're saying both are bad. Turning that into "you say they're both the same BUT Obama has gone from being a piece of poo poo to a politically expedient piece of poo poo on gay rights, WHAT NOW LEFTISTS" misses the point. The Senate just voted 100-0 to support Israel bombing children. Sure they're not identical. They're also not as far from each other as people would like to believe.
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Oxxidation posted:A combination of the two, and also that Obama seemed to genuinely believe that the GOP would work with him in good faith until about a year ago. To be fair, thinking the GOP would work with him to solve some things was pretty reasonable given the dire straights we were in at the time. That a political party would see the nation gripped by the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression and try to make it worse? That failing infrastructure would all but destroy a major city and they would cut the upkeep budget? That they would sink their own energy bill as soon as he expressed support for it? Obama should have caught on by spring of 2009 when them going off the deep end was really apparent, but thinking they would work with him to advance their interests if nothing else, rather than going full scorched earth was a reasonable thing to think at the start.
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Zeitgueist posted:Most Democrats suck but they're also your only reasonable choice. Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I just want to say gently caress the GOP And so of course, exactly what everyone (including the pro-lifers) knew would happen has happened: DIY Abortion is on the rise in southern Texas in the loving year 2014, more than 40 goddamn years after Roe v. Wade. The joys of going to Mexico or New Mexico for an abortion, taking a pill without your doctor and hoping you don't loving die or have other complications, coat hangers, "falling" down stairs, leaving kids to die becuase you can't handle them, and more have returned. Praise be to White, Heterosexual Jesus!  Words cannot state how much I loving hate Republicans right now. Seriously, it's a contest between the Israeli right who are busy shelling Gaza into loving rubble and the Republicans who are determined to take us back to the So viva Hillary 2016!  I literally, unironically cannot loving wait. I will also drink a fine vintage of Republican tears the day Texas goes purple. gently caress no, I'm not leaving, how is Texas supposed to go purple if all the Democrats leave? Besides, this is my home, I'm not leaving. (I wish the Palestinians had the luxury of choosing to stay and fight or just leave.) 
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Stultus Maximus posted:I googled "joe lieberman melted candle" and found this from David "Get Your War On" Rees: I'd like to take this opportunity to remind you all that there was a proposal to have in the ACA a phased in step down of Medicare enrollment - every 5 years the enrollment age would drop by 5 years, and it was very popular with the senate Dems. And Lieberman killed it for the explicit reason that the policy wonk who proposed it had backed his dem opponent in the previous race. Not "his motives are transparent for why he blocked it", he flat out loving said it. Lieberman fully deserves whatever hell he is headed towards
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Stultus Maximus posted:I googled "joe lieberman melted candle" and found this from David "Get Your War On" Rees:
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I just want to say gently caress the GOP Huh, I thought there was a Planned Parenthood here but it seems to have closed.
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Jul 23, 2014 21:56
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fade5 posted:This is why I never worry about lesser-evilism. I live in right smack there in the middle in San Antonio, Texas, so I have seen full well just how hosed up the Republicans can make things, and here is a prime loving example. For most of southern Texas, San Antonio is the closest city with an abortion clinic, and not only is it is chronically overworked (guess why), it's ~100 miles or more from Southern Texas, and 552 loving miles from El Paso. Sup fellow Blue Texan. Anyone down here who starts bitching about Lesser-Evilism or "It's all the same" down here needs to be taken out back and beaten senseless. As the rest of the Union probably knows when they get a fresh dose "And this just in from Texas..." every week of some Republican doing stuff like posing about how they're ready to shoot children at the Mexican border, the Republican Party gives literally 0 fucks these days. It's still nothing compared to living down here (Unless maybe you live in Florida or maybe New Mexico) and dealing with that poo poo every loving day. When the two options for my elected officials run on the platforms of "Try to make a buck off of my power but at least do my job" and "Blatantly burn and pillage everything for profit" it's a no brainer on which side to chose. I am tired of the xenophobic, violent, hateful, spiteful rhetoric and policies and am ready to listen to the Reds scream and cry foul as I lap up their delicious tears in 2016. Also, am I a horrible person for hoping that Cruz wins the primaries in 2016? Not only would watching Perry and his glasses be crushed by a fellow Texan be hilarious, but I'm pretty sure Cruz is like Zoolander and literally can only turn hard right.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:A dissent he clearly intended to be sarcastic has been opportunistically taken as a straight-up statement of support for marriage equality more than once by lower courts, presumably to Scalia's seething frustration. I know that. That makes him specifically not “one of the greatest champions of gay marriage this decade.”
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Alkydere posted:It's honestly one of the brightest moment of the last few years. Anyone who doesn't run on spite hates Scalia (who is probably the biggest example of someone who runs on spite) and he gave all the judges a straight line to make the world a better place by tweaking his nose. Hoisted by he own petard. Now he's set to be in the minority in June 2015's marriage equality decision, wherever it comes from, and I'm sure even he knows that by now. Get some, Nino.
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look guys we've lamented the lack of single payer enough already, can we take a moment to remember how the democratic senate supermajority also were useless pieces of poo poo who had the chance and didn't pass the employee free choice act, the dream act, cap and trade, a truly worthwhile stimulus, etc because seriously. we were so close to getting on the right track to fixing our problems but a few shitbirds shot it all down
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Pornographic Memory posted:look guys we've lamented the lack of single payer enough already, can we take a moment to remember how the democratic senate supermajority also were useless pieces of poo poo who had the chance and didn't pass the employee free choice act, the dream act, cap and trade, a truly worthwhile stimulus, etc That's a lot of bills for about 2 weeks.
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Fried Chicken posted:I'd like to take this opportunity to remind you all that there was a proposal to have in the ACA a phased in step down of Medicare enrollment - every 5 years the enrollment age would drop by 5 years, and it was very popular with the senate Dems. And Lieberman killed it for the explicit reason that the policy wonk who proposed it had backed his dem opponent in the previous race. Wait, what? I'd never heard of this. Was there to be an age floor at which point the enrollment age would stop going down, or would it have essentially been the slowest possible transition to single-payer (taking 65 years to complete)?
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Alkydere posted:Also, am I a horrible person for hoping that Cruz wins the primaries in 2016? Not only would watching Perry and his glasses be crushed by a fellow Texan be hilarious, but I'm pretty sure Cruz is like Zoolander and literally can only turn hard right. The only caveats are if it's Cruz vs not Hillary/Biden, which would worry me a little, and/or Cruz accidentally pulling off a win due to something completely unforeseen happening (death of [X], major war, complete economic meltdown, alien contact, pick a curve ball). That would would be really, really, unimaginably bad. gently caress it, I'd be willing to roll the dice. 
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Alkydere posted:It's honestly one of the brightest moment of the last few years. Anyone who doesn't run on spite hates Scalia (who is probably the biggest example of someone who runs on spite) and he gave all the judges a straight line to make the world a better place by tweaking his nose. My favorite Scalia moment was that time when he argued about state's rights and the founding fathers, and then in the very next case argued the exact opposite of that because it didn't fit the narrative he wanted. You know, that one time.
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This is one of many reasons I like Al Franken. You just know Lieberman was fuming inside.
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"In my capacity as Senator from Minnesota, gently caress you."
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Whatever happened to your old avatar, anyway? Seeing a picture of sobbing Joe Lieberman rarely failed to bring a smile to my lips.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Whatever happened to your old avatar, anyway? Seeing a picture of sobbing Joe Lieberman rarely failed to bring a smile to my lips. Several of the mods kept pestering me to change it because it was so obnoxious to look at, so I changed it to Adam Weishaupt and, later, Nixon and then someone bought me this one because they thought I'd like it more than the one I picked out myself for some reason and I haven't bothered to pay the $5 to change it back.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Whatever happened to your old avatar, anyway? Seeing a picture of sobbing Joe Lieberman rarely failed to bring a smile to my lips. Not emptyquoting. My happiness is inversely proportion to how happy I perceive Joe Lieberman to be. E: NO MODS NO MASTERS BRING BACK JOE 
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I can't think of anything Bush did that was on balance positive. Not invade Iran?
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euphronius posted:I can't think of anything Bush did that was on balance positive. Not die and cause Cheney to become president.
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euphronius posted:I can't think of anything Bush did that was on balance positive. It's incredible superficial compared to the staggering damage he did to this country and the world, but Do Not Call wasn't a bad thing.
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euphronius posted:I can't think of anything Bush did that was on balance positive. PEPFAR.
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euphronius posted:I can't think of anything Bush did that was on balance positive. The bipartisan 2008 law to combat human trafficking which is causing problems with the migrant children was a good law at the time, though it needs to be adjusted for today's circumstances. He vastly increased HIV/AIDS medication access in Africa. Signed the Stockholm POPs convention (although Congress didn't ratify it because Congress). Um.. eventually fired Rumsfeld?
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Stultus Maximus posted:The bipartisan 2008 law to combat human trafficking which is causing problems with the migrant children was a good law at the time, though it needs to be adjusted for today's circumstances. He vastly increased HIV/AIDS medication access in Africa. Signed the Stockholm POPs convention (although Congress didn't ratify it because Congress). Um.. eventually fired Rumsfeld? Refused to pardon Scooter Libbey? (for doing what he was told to do to allow Bush to continue to gin up his war of Make Daddy Proud)
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Joementum posted:Several of the mods kept pestering me to change it because it was so obnoxious to look at, so I changed it to Adam Weishaupt For some reason a picture of George Washington just doesn't seem very you.
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Joementum posted:PEPFAR. On balance positive, however had Bill Clinton not convinced SOMEBODY that giving the medicine money strictly to pharmaceuticals with patent meds was a tremendously bad idea the other bad ideas that made it through might have made the whole effort a net loss.
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McDowell posted:Didn't Rumsfeld submit his resignation at an earlier point and Bush rejected it? Rumsfeld submitted his resignation before the 2006 election and Bush turned him down because he didn't want it to look like he was caving in to pressure to fire Rumsfeld before the election. He fired him immediately afterwards, which was a very nice cherry on top of the parfait that was the 2006 elections. Reaction was fairly negative to Rumsfeld's firing in the GOP. Neocons (who still imagined that they had influence) were fully in, "Rumsfeld did nothing wrong!" mode and the rank and file wondered why Bush hadn't axed him in October to alleviate public anger at his smugfaced bungling.
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The Warszawa posted:PREA was also really good. Shame about all the GOP governors fighting it tooth and nail now
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euphronius posted:I can't think of anything Bush did that was on balance positive. He pushed for immigration reform which was killed by his own lovely party.
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euphronius posted:I can't think of anything Bush did that was on balance positive. The joy of watching all the candidates in 2008 distance themselves from the Iraq War and long diatribes about how their opponents were for it.
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