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By the way, that's fanart
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I want a Kyoshi spin-off so bad.
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Jul 22, 2014 18:28
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In the comics, Avatar Roku does tell Aang to kill the Fire Lord, and Aang cuts him off and banishes his spirit.
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Jul 22, 2014 19:02
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Spergatory posted:Not really. Their advice was: Yangchen as well. Aang was all "You're an Air Nomad like me, you understand why it's wrong to kill!" and she replied, in no uncertain terms, "Yes, but we as Avatars don't have that luxary." Aang didn't misunderstand any of the past Avatars in the least, and they certainly weren't trying to subtly direct him towards discovering energybending or something. No, he managed to find that method -- which wasn't so much the third option as it was what he was trying to accomplish in the first place -- in spite of their instructions, by sticking to his own convictions.
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Jul 22, 2014 19:54
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Pretty much. Yangchen may not have flat out said "you need to kill Ozai", but her response to Aang saying he couldn't was "you must sacrifice your needs for the good of the world." The whole point of her appearance was the irony of an airbender being the one most explicit in telling Aang he needed to break his morals and kill.
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Jul 22, 2014 21:48
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I don't think they were subtly directing him towards energybending either (which they might not have even known about) but I do think it's an important distinction that none of them actually told him what to do. All of their advice basically just amounted to 'pick a course of action and loving stick to it because being wishy-washy isn't gonna help anyone.' Personally, I was hoping for he'd go for the quadruple-amputee route. It's probably a lot harder to make limbs out of fire. 
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Jul 22, 2014 21:59
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If they weren't telling him to kill that entire fight makes no drat sense
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Jul 22, 2014 22:04
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BrianWilly posted:Kyoshi flat-out told Aang that even if she wasn't completely prepared to kill Chin if it came to it, him dying by "accident" was still an acceptable solution to her problem. If she was trying to explain some version of "justice" that didn't result from her enemies' deaths, well, she did a pretty poor job of it. That's not what she said. Aang wanted to try and absolve her of it by claiming that it was an accident and Kyoshi said she didn't really see the difference. She took responsibility and was prepared to kill him either way. Hakkesshu fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Jul 22, 2014 |
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Jul 22, 2014 22:44
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Spergatory posted:Personally, I was hoping for he'd go for the quadruple-amputee route. It's probably a lot harder to make limbs out of fire. Four fire-jets, constantly shooting at all times.
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Jul 22, 2014 23:02
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Fried Chicken posted:If they weren't telling him to kill that entire fight makes no drat sense They couldn't say it explicitly because of Standards and Practices... Still, it's important that they didn't explicitly state it, so that the deus ex machina of energy bending actually fulfilled the advice of all four avatars.
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Jul 22, 2014 23:10
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Jorghnassen posted:They couldn't say it explicitly because of Standards and Practices...
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Jul 22, 2014 23:31
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Barlow posted:It's also the reason the characters on the show kept using cute little euphemisms about the need to "end you." Despite the annoyance of all the blatantly offscreen deaths/near-misses, that language was also cutely in line with the poetic and epic feel of ATLA. They also did a surprisingly good job at pretending like the S&P regs weren't in place, using the other characters' fear of death to create similar levels of suspense. I remember being on the edge of my seat right before Azula pulled out her iron man boots trick at the Western Air Temple because Zuko was on the verge of flipping out. Similarly, the atmosphere and chaos of the Book II finale really made you feel like Aang was incredibly close to death - even though it's painfully obvious that he wasn't about to go anywhere any time soon because Kids' Show. Speaking of which, the Western Air Temple was awesome. I hope we get to see more of the other temples this season.
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Jul 22, 2014 23:45
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Barlow posted:This is the crux of the issue. Remember ATLA had issues with anyone ever explicitly dieing, which they did a great job of parodying with the scene about Jet in the Ember Island players episode. It's also the reason the characters on the show kept using cute little euphemisms about the need to "end you." Also, Katara saying that firebenders "took her mother away."
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Jul 23, 2014 01:04
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rotinaj posted:Four fire-jets, constantly shooting at all times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX6YF7w3VW4&t=30s
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Jul 23, 2014 01:08
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Barlow posted:This is the crux of the issue. Remember ATLA had issues with anyone ever explicitly dieing, which they did a great job of parodying with the scene about Jet in the Ember Island players episode. It's also the reason the characters on the show kept using cute little euphemisms about the need to "end you." When Ozai corners Aang during their fight (the part where Aang retreats into his earth ball) Ozai explicitly says "prepare to die." Granted it's the only time in the series, but they were obviously able to get away with at least saying it. Although even despite that, I'm still blown away by the fact they managed to get away with Tarrlok blowing up the speed boat with him and his brother on it.
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Jul 23, 2014 02:20
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I feel like they're getting away with a lot more as Korra goes on. Like, they were just straight up blowing up cops this week.
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Jul 23, 2014 02:35
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Sydin posted:When Ozai corners Aang during their fight (the part where Aang retreats into his earth ball) Ozai explicitly says "prepare to die." Granted it's the only time in the series, but they were obviously able to get away with at least saying it. Adult characters (particularly evil ones) can get away with a lot more, particularly if they're not fighting kids or women. Also, Tarrlok doesn't SAY anything about it being a murder-suicide. I'm sure there were a lot of meetings hashing this out.
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Jul 23, 2014 02:57
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Sydin posted:Although even despite that, I'm still blown away by the fact they managed to get away with Tarrlok blowing up the speed boat with him and his brother on it.
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Jul 23, 2014 03:44
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Wildeyes posted:Also, Katara saying that firebenders "took her mother away." In regards to this weren't the Fire Nation capturing all the water benders and locking them up for experimentation or something? Like the blood bender.
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Jul 23, 2014 04:18
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They previously took all the waterbenders prisoner, but when Katara's mom gave herself up the guy said something like "I'm not taking any prisoners today" and killed her right then and there.
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Jul 23, 2014 04:30
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Vahtooch posted:In regards to this weren't the Fire Nation capturing all the water benders and locking them up for experimentation or something? Like the blood bender. Also, the phrasing was more to set up Zuko's follow up of "That's something we have in common" line. One of those times Avatar used what could be a weakness, namely its status as a Nickelodeon show, to its benefit from a writing standpoint.
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Jul 23, 2014 04:31
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They may not have said the D word but when Aang goes Koizilla at the end of book 1 not only are there no "parachutes" for the fire navy but there is no hint of vagueness when it came to Admiral Zhao's watery demise. I was waiting for them to handwave everything but instead Aang more or less laments having killed a bunch of people under the influence of the avatar state episodes later. Even if his appearance in the fog of madness is supposed to be evidence of his survival (I sure as hell didn't take it that way) that was 4 seasons later. A shockingly low amount of punches are pulled in Avatar, especially compared to almost any other cartoon (sans the Clone Wars, where people just get straight up murdered)
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Jul 23, 2014 06:52
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You misread that scene if you think it's evidence he survived. If anything it's evidence of a fate worse than death on the other side for him. Also, though I don't think they ever directly state it, it's clear that the reason they were systemically killing Water Benders was because they were trying to find the Avatar, so Aang running away is indirectly responsible for Katara and Soka's mum dying.
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Jul 23, 2014 10:05
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Coming into the thread late to repost this quote:FourLeaf posted:holy poo poo it's the goonbender
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Jul 23, 2014 10:28
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PriorMarcus posted:You misread that scene if you think it's evidence he survived. If anything it's evidence of a fate worse than death on the other side for him. Wow I never actually connected the avatar cycle with why the water tribe was hit so hard.. That's actually a brilliant move.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:35
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I worked that plotpoint out when I was, like, twelve.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:41
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All the cookies to you then Sir.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:42
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That's why they initially didn't kill the waterbenders and instead imprisoned them. If they ended up killing the Avatar then they'd just have to start the search over again in the Earth Kingdom. 100 years down the line they decided the Avatar was long gone, but that they might as well finish what they started with the Southern Water Tribe and not bother with the prisoners anymore.
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Jul 23, 2014 15:34
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Everyone seemed pretty sure that they had just missed the Avatar. I always assumed the Southern Water Tribe was hit so hard because, along with the minor Earth Kingdom villages, it was much easier to hammer into submission than the Northern Water Tribe, Ba Sing Se, or Omashu.
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Jul 23, 2014 16:26
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This is easily the most ridiculous thing I've seen in a japanese film and I've seen Robo Geisha.
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Jul 23, 2014 16:58
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Is this source verified? http://www.nickandmore.com/2014/07/23/nickelodeon-pulls-five-legend-of-korra-premieres/
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Jul 23, 2014 21:15
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I don't see info about that anywhere else.
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Jul 23, 2014 21:23
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AshB posted:I don't see info about that anywhere else. There are some people on Tumblr talking about it, but no word from Diko or Korra Nation yet.
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Jul 23, 2014 21:27
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AshB posted:I don't see info about that anywhere else. Given Nick's awesome ability to schedule things, advertise, find consistent times and keep episodes under wraps, it wouldn't surprise me in the least. They must have taken lessons from disney on scheduling shows.
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Jul 23, 2014 21:30
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I wouldn't surprise me, considering the ratings for each season premiere have gone from 4.5 million (Book 1) to 2.6 million (Book 2) to 1.5 million (Book 3). I'm assuming Korra's budget is much higher than your standard Nick show, so they're probably desperate to reverse that trend. Book 3's ratings have gotten as low as 1.1 million for some episodes, so obviously the two episodes a week strategy is not bearing fruit.
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Jul 23, 2014 21:32
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It would be completely unsurprising and irritating if that happened. Nickelodeon has already messed this up in every other way imaginable.
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Jul 23, 2014 21:36
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Nonsense posted:Is this source verified? Concern, not panic, is the order of the day.
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Jul 23, 2014 21:37
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What about throwing up all over myself? Can I try that? (I can't believe how invested I am in this show  )
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Jul 23, 2014 21:38
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Whatever happens, the show isn't cancelled. We're still getting Book 4. It may never air on TV, but we're getting it.
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It would make zero sense not to air Book 4. It's already been funded and is in production. Airing it with abysmal ratings will still recoup more cost than not airing it at all.
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