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Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Sagebrush posted:

^^^ I was going to post that video just to demonstrate how little they care -- hanging out in the left and going 40 miles an hour doesn't even warrant them getting out of their car.

They certainly don't seem to give a poo poo here -- Bay Area traffic is dense enough that all the lanes are full of vehicles most of the time, left included. Passing on the right / staying on the left I think is something that cops mostly care about in Europe (and I guess Washington, since two people from there have commented on it now). I also never heard of anyone getting ticketed for it when I lived in Ontario, Quebec, Rhode Island, Vermont or Arizona.

Getting piled into by someone travelling fast behind you when the traffic suddenly slows is a risk in every lane, and the sort of thing you should be looking out for at all times regardless.

I feel that getting undertaken by aggressive drivers is preferable to having said aggressive drivers suddenly cutting you off or merging into you when they realize they're about to miss their exit.

Ideally you should notice fast drivers coming up behind, and move over. We all fall asleep a bit sometimes, so it might take a few moments to notice them, but when you do, just move over. Move back once they're past, and continue on your pace. You should also probably never be in a situation where "traffic suddenly slows" and you risk being rear-ended. You should be able to see traffic slowing well ahead of the actual slowdown, and even in a situation where it's a sudden accident in front of you or something, on a 3 lane motorway there's two perfectly good filtering lanes to escape down if you can't stop in time.

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500excf type r
Mar 7, 2013

I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.
I like to pass 15 or twenty cars and then get in front of them and go about 10 below the limit to really let those cagers saute in rage, just so they know who is superior

its all nice on rice
Nov 12, 2006

Sweet, Salty Goodness.



Buglord
Left lane squatting is A Big Thing in Western Washington, and cops are actually starting to crack down on it. The past month or so, they've been giving warnings and handing out pamphlets basically saying "move the gently caress over or you're getting a ticket next time." I think it's this month or next they plan on ticketing.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Sagebrush posted:

Well that is essentially what I said I was doing, if you read back a few posts. I camp out in the left lane going slightly faster than traffic, slowly passing the majority of the cars, and once in a while someone will come up behind me at 90 and then blow by on the right before I notice them. Everyone has experienced those people. I just said that I don't think that makes me "a dick". If someone's tailgating me and it's safe to move over I'll do so.

If the road is mostly empty or doesn't have a lot of onramps and exits, then I have no specific safety reason to be in the left and I go over to the right and ride more slowly.

An interesting side-note here. In the UK undertaking isn't specifically illegal, but it can be cause for a charge of driving without due care and attention (if the Plod is having a really, really bad day or if you're otherwise a dick about it). However a lot of the specialised motorway Police take the attitude that if there is space and time for someone to safely undertake you, you are in the wrong and not the driver passing you because if there's space for an undertake there's space for your car to be in.

Bugdrvr
Mar 7, 2003

Pope Mobile posted:

Left lane squatting is A Big Thing in Western Washington, and cops are actually starting to crack down on it. The past month or so, they've been giving warnings and handing out pamphlets basically saying "move the gently caress over or you're getting a ticket next time." I think it's this month or next they plan on ticketing.

I can see why they'd try to get people out of the left lane there. During the 6 months I stayed in Tacoma I don't think I saw anyone driving over 50mph ever. If people are camping the left lane going under the flow of traffic you may literally never get to where you're going before you die of old age.

Akion
May 7, 2006
Grimey Drawer
After two years of living in Germany and driving on the Autobahn, I take the German approach.

You get left, you pass, then you get your rear end back in the right lane.

"It's safer for me and gently caress everyone else" is the same attitude those soccer moms in the Road-Tank SUV's that we all fear/hate have.

Coredump
Dec 1, 2002

Yeah yeah yeah stay in the right lane unless your passing I hear you but have yall driven I-16 or nah? gently caress that right hand lane I'm sitting in the left for the sake of my suspension. All the truckers using that interstate have beaten the right lane to poo poo.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Collateral Damage posted:

Who the hell puts a speed bump at the exit of a roundabout when there's no pedestrian crossing? Traffic engineers :argh:

Who puts in speed bumps anywhere? Assholes who want to kill people in need of an ambulance, that's who:
http://www.bromleytransport.org.uk/Ambulance_delays.htm

Coredump posted:

Yeah yeah yeah stay in the right lane unless your passing I hear you but have yall driven I-16 or nah? gently caress that right hand lane I'm sitting in the left for the sake of my suspension. All the truckers using that interstate have beaten the right lane to poo poo.

The correct way to do this is to get a sumo and just use the potholes and ruts as ramps to jump :getin:

Akion posted:

After two years of living in Germany and driving on the Autobahn, I take the German approach.

You get left, you pass, then you get your rear end back in the right lane.

This is ideally how freeway traffic is supposed to flow here in the States too, just that drivers here are so poorly trained and educated and the laws are so poorly and irregularly enforced that it never happens. Which is a shame, because that principle is exactly what allows the Autobahns to work with no speed limits and still be safe, and if it was viciously enforced and drilled into people here, there'd likely be a lot less accidents and road rage incidences due to assholes clogging up the passing lane.

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe
The 401 outside Toronto is hell for dipshits doing exactly the limit in the middle lane. People are passing on both sides for fucks sake.

clutchpuck
Apr 30, 2004
ro-tard

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

Do cops actually enforce the "left lane is for passing only" thing where you guys are? I have never heard of anyone getting ticketed, pulled over, or even warned for that around here.

WSP had a campaign about it a couple years ago. http://www.king5.com/news/local/Left-lane-campers-get-watchful-eye-from-Washington-State-Patrol-117754594.html

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

NZ cops and public have no awareness of or regard for the concept of different lanes being different speeds. Everyone just drives wherever they feel like at whatever speed they want (as long as they aren't speeding because that's dangerous!). It works about as well as you can imagine. I've found that splitting between the 'fast' lane and the middle lane is overwhelmingly the safest place to be. When traffic is actually moving I find the middle lane is the best because it offers the most opportunity for evasive swerves.

Also I pity the fools who can't legally lane-split. I had a van with no working brake lights suddenly slam on his brakes in front of me this morning. Instead of trying to stop in time and have a near miss or, potentially, a crash, I just instinctively swerved into the gap beside the van with no danger or stress to myself at all.

Akion
May 7, 2006
Grimey Drawer

HotCanadianChick posted:

Who puts in speed bumps anywhere? Assholes who want to kill people in need of an ambulance, that's who:
http://www.bromleytransport.org.uk/Ambulance_delays.htm


The correct way to do this is to get a sumo and just use the potholes and ruts as ramps to jump :getin:


This is ideally how freeway traffic is supposed to flow here in the States too, just that drivers here are so poorly trained and educated and the laws are so poorly and irregularly enforced that it never happens. Which is a shame, because that principle is exactly what allows the Autobahns to work with no speed limits and still be safe, and if it was viciously enforced and drilled into people here, there'd likely be a lot less accidents and road rage incidences due to assholes clogging up the passing lane.

Yeah, it's been an issue being back in the states. I live in the middle of city, so the highway here can be a bit of a shitshow. That said; I ride a Sumo now, so I avoid the highways as much as I can because side streets and alleys are more fun.

Outside Dawg
Feb 24, 2013

EX250 Type R posted:

I like to pass 15 or twenty cars and then get in front of them and go about 10 below the limit to really let those cagers saute in rage, just so they know who is superior

Don't let them saute too long, it only increases the odds of becoming a hood ornament.

Gay Nudist Dad
Dec 12, 2006

asshole on a scooter

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

Do cops actually enforce the "left lane is for passing only" thing where you guys are? I have never heard of anyone getting ticketed, pulled over, or even warned for that around here.

I've been pulled over, but not ticketed, for it in WA* and WA State Patrol has said they were going to start specifically enforcing it.

I was in a car, driving on a semi-rural stretch of interstate. I had moved into the left lane (of two) to pass someone, and before I could move back over a car had entered the interstate from the right. That car then sat in the right lane close enough that if I changed lanes, I would've forced them to tail gate, and I didn't want to break my speed, so I stayed there. After a few minutes he changed lanes behind me and pulled me over, citing left-lane camping as the cause. I didn't recognize those drat new Caprices.

500excf type r
Mar 7, 2013

I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.

Outside Dawg posted:

Don't let them saute too long, it only increases the odds of becoming a hood ornament.

If I ever went the speed limit, let alone ten under, I would literally die of boredom

Coydog
Mar 5, 2007



Fallen Rib
Getting ripped off by the insurance company. Bad luck to have a hard to find year. Bad luck to have a "trusted dealer" under GA law allowed to make a ballpark low ball assessment of the value of my bike. Extra bad luck that I can't find any recent sold 2003 models on ebay for proof of value, because it's some kind of special unicorn bike.

But hey! I can get an SV with a scrap engine for what they are going to give me so that's just great. And then I'll have to cover my own gear so there is that, too. I loved that bike, and now it looks like I won't be back on a bike at all for quite some time. I can't even find a KLR for under two grand right now, but some how my perfect second gen SV with under 30k is worth 1800 or, generously on their part, 2100.

Razzled
Feb 3, 2011

MY HARLEY IS COOL

Coydog posted:

Getting ripped off by the insurance company. Bad luck to have a hard to find year. Bad luck to have a "trusted dealer" under GA law allowed to make a ballpark low ball assessment of the value of my bike. Extra bad luck that I can't find any recent sold 2003 models on ebay for proof of value, because it's some kind of special unicorn bike.

But hey! I can get an SV with a scrap engine for what they are going to give me so that's just great. And then I'll have to cover my own gear so there is that, too. I loved that bike, and now it looks like I won't be back on a bike at all for quite some time. I can't even find a KLR for under two grand right now, but some how my perfect second gen SV with under 30k is worth 1800 or, generously on their part, 2100.

Jesus poo poo dude, what insurance do you have? (please don't say Dairyland since that is what I went with)

clutchpuck
Apr 30, 2004
ro-tard
Which insurance company? So we know which company to not get a policy with...

Coydog
Mar 5, 2007



Fallen Rib
Liberty mutual. Never ever ever ever ever get a policy with them. I've been looking to switch for years due to ridiculously high rates, and this seals the deal. They are nice enough in customer service, but the worst when it comes to taking care of you. Never again.

nsaP
May 4, 2004

alright?
If it's too low, don't accept. Keep looking around.

Raven457
Aug 7, 2002
I bought Torquemada's torture equipment on e-bay!

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

Do cops actually enforce the "left lane is for passing only" thing where you guys are? I have never heard of anyone getting ticketed, pulled over, or even warned for that around here.

I wish they would here in Texas. There is nothing more enraging than to be stuck behind 3 pickups or SUVs riding side by side on the interstate, all running 5 to 10 MPH under the speed limit.

Moral_Hazard
Aug 21, 2012

Rich Kid of Insurancegram

nsaP posted:

If it's too low, don't accept. Keep looking around.

I echo this.

Coydog posted:

Getting ripped off by the insurance company. Bad luck to have a hard to find year. Bad luck to have a "trusted dealer" under GA law allowed to make a ballpark low ball assessment of the value of my bike. Extra bad luck that I can't find any recent sold 2003 models on ebay for proof of value, because it's some kind of special unicorn bike.

But hey! I can get an SV with a scrap engine for what they are going to give me so that's just great. And then I'll have to cover my own gear so there is that, too. I loved that bike, and now it looks like I won't be back on a bike at all for quite some time. I can't even find a KLR for under two grand right now, but some how my perfect second gen SV with under 30k is worth 1800 or, generously on their part, 2100.

What year is your bike?

Also, if you'd like, I'm in insurance. If you have premium, you can pm me and I'll give you my email and review your policy to see if the gear could be covered. Sometimes things are covered and insurance companies are just being dicks.

apatite
Dec 2, 2006

Got yer back, Jack

MoraleHazard posted:

Sometimes things are covered and insurance companies are just being dicks.

ooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh you are so fired!!! :cheers:

Schroeder91
Jul 5, 2007

Some girl ran a red light as I was turning into the same lane she was in last weekend. When the light went green, I looked over and saw her coming, but she started to brake for the red light so I went. Then after the light was already red and mine green, she floors it through the intersection. :eyepop: She wasnt very close to me, but a second later I would have been in the lane with her barreling down on me. I didn't see a phone when I rode up next to her and she wouldn't look at me.

I don't get slowing down for the light then running it.:confused:

Razzled
Feb 3, 2011

MY HARLEY IS COOL

Schroeder91 posted:

Some girl ran a red light as I was turning into the same lane she was in last weekend. When the light went green, I looked over and saw her coming, but she started to brake for the red light so I went. Then after the light was already red and mine green, she floors it through the intersection. :eyepop: She wasnt very close to me, but a second later I would have been in the lane with her barreling down on me. I didn't see a phone when I rode up next to her and she wouldn't look at me.

I don't get slowing down for the light then running it.:confused:

Reptile Brain Syndrome

Coydog
Mar 5, 2007



Fallen Rib
Nsap, Thank you. I'm looking, but I'm just not finding.

MoraleHazard- They keep telling me that would be the responsibility of my renters insurance. I'm not gonna hit my renters over 600 of gear, and if they really don't cover it, I'm done with them. I'll get premium and send you the info. While I am not hopeful, your expertise and help is greatly appreciated.

I just want what's coming to me. I just want my fair share.

Halo_4am
Sep 25, 2003

Code Zombie
The whole reason I had to get my insurance involved was for the piddly medical benefit. Auto accident = auto insurance is the primary insurer. The only way other insurance comes into play is if they don't cover it or your benefit is maxed.

If they have coverage and are refusing it based on you having other insurance then they are full of poo poo.

If you feel like they are dicking you around, your policy has the coverage or even misleadingly appears to have coverage, and they don't shape up, then look up your state's division of insurance. It will be worth your time to send an email or give a phone call on the matter.

Moral_Hazard
Aug 21, 2012

Rich Kid of Insurancegram

Coydog posted:

Nsap, Thank you. I'm looking, but I'm just not finding.

MoraleHazard- They keep telling me that would be the responsibility of my renters insurance. I'm not gonna hit my renters over 600 of gear, and if they really don't cover it, I'm done with them. I'll get premium and send you the info. While I am not hopeful, your expertise and help is greatly appreciated.

I just want what's coming to me. I just want my fair share.

In many cases they're right. Renters and homeowners does a lot to cover your property even when it's not in your house.

Depending on the motorcycle insurance policy wording, Liberty may be required to cover it. One reason why you should try to get Liberty to pay for your gear before going to your renter's policy is so you don't have to pay a second deductible.

Moral_Hazard fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Jul 27, 2014

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
Some dickhead has been running his R6 with no silencer up and down the main road near my house for the last half hour. I can actually diagnose that his chain is way, way loose just by the sound - every time he opens the throttle it revs like crazy for a fraction of a second then suddenly drops. The thought that this is likely to snap fairly soon and cause him and the bike some sort of damage is the only thing that's stopped me either ringing the police or stringing piano wire across the road.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Either that or he has no idea how to use the clutch.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
Got the Blackstone analysis back on my Ninja 500, and it shows high copper & lead indicative of bearing failure as I kind of expected. The engine shakes & sounds like a drat concrete mixer when it's cold, and not much better when it's warm.

I have it for sale at the moment, but I'm not sure if I should leave it up. I won't be able to sell it for anything if I disclose, and I don't think I would feel good about it if I didn't.

There's a used engine out of a 2007 on CL for $300 (although the motor has 5k more miles on it than mine does...) and I figure I'd lose much more than $300 if I disclosed. But if I put money into it and get it running nice I might as well hang on to it for a bit longer, which would then necessitate a new pair of tires.

Just kind of stuck, I think. Bleh.

Akion
May 7, 2006
Grimey Drawer
As a Coloradan, I'd like to give a nice healthy "gently caress You" to the rear end in a top hat drivers that come here from California. Coming down from Mt. Evans to Idaho Springs today, and about half way down I start smelling brakes, bad. Wind up behind a CRV with cali tags who is putting along riding her brakes at the slightest hint of a turn. No problem, I'd rather she not kill herself and back up traffic.

Then the road straightens out and becomes a passing zone, so I drop a gear and go to pass her. The oval office speeds up and paces me to almost 70 before I get by her.

What the loving gently caress?

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Akion posted:

Then the road straightens out and becomes a passing zone, so I drop a gear and go to pass her. The oval office speeds up and paces me to almost 70 before I get by her.

What the loving gently caress?

I'm sure that there are at least some people who are actively dickholes like that, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and believe that most of them are just stupid. As in, "oh, a motorcycle is close up behind me! He wants to go fast! I'll speed up on all the straights so that I'm not slowing him down too much! I'm helping!! :downs: Whoops, a turn! Better slow down, sorry motorcycle guy! I'll speed up as soon as I'm through this scary thing!! :downs: "

I got stuck behind a Prius doing that for a number of miles today. We passed like eight separate pullouts and two SLOW TRAFFIC USE PULLOUTS signs. Why are Prius drivers always so oblivious to everything around them?

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

Sagebrush posted:

Why are Prius drivers always so oblivious to everything around them?

Gotta focus on them Empeegees.

SeamusMcPhisticuffs
Aug 2, 2006

republicans.bmp

Sagebrush posted:

I'm sure that there are at least some people who are actively dickholes like that, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and believe that most of them are just stupid. As in, "oh, a motorcycle is close up behind me! He wants to go fast! I'll speed up on all the straights so that I'm not slowing him down too much! I'm helping!! :downs: Whoops, a turn! Better slow down, sorry motorcycle guy! I'll speed up as soon as I'm through this scary thing!! :downs: "

I got stuck behind a Prius doing that for a number of miles today. We passed like eight separate pullouts and two SLOW TRAFFIC USE PULLOUTS signs. Why are Prius drivers always so oblivious to everything around them?

This is every saturday coming home for me, all the dipshits from the bay area that have no idea that a Prius or other micro/eco car can indeed navigate a huge sweeping turn at 70. If the truckers are passing you on 101, you have a problem.

Marxalot
Dec 24, 2008

Appropriator of
Dan Crenshaw's Eyepatch

SeamusMcPhisticuffs posted:

This is every saturday coming home for me, all the dipshits from the bay area that have no idea that a Prius or other micro/eco car can indeed navigate a huge sweeping turn at 70. If the truckers are passing you on 101, you have a problem.

This is a problem I have every time I go into houston. Any time one of the larger highways starts to have a large sweeping turn it seems like there's always 1-3 assholes who panic and suddenly go from 70 to 40-50.

Lynza
Jun 1, 2000

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea."
- Robert A. Heinlein
I notice this when I drive, too. It seems like people are tooling along, and then they notice you're trying to pass and they think, "Oh poo poo! I'm going slow! I should speed up!" and then they do, and it seems like they're doing it on purpose, but I really think it's mostly just some barely-conscious lizard brain thing.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Sagebrush posted:

I'm sure that there are at least some people who are actively dickholes like that, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and believe that most of them are just stupid. As in, "oh, a motorcycle is close up behind me! He wants to go fast! I'll speed up on all the straights so that I'm not slowing him down too much! I'm helping!! :downs: Whoops, a turn! Better slow down, sorry motorcycle guy! I'll speed up as soon as I'm through this scary thing!! :downs: "

I got stuck behind a Prius doing that for a number of miles today. We passed like eight separate pullouts and two SLOW TRAFFIC USE PULLOUTS signs. Why are Prius drivers always so oblivious to everything around them?

They're staring at the active MPG display on the dash.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Akion posted:

As a Coloradan, I'd like to give a nice healthy "gently caress You" to the rear end in a top hat drivers that come here from California. Coming down from Mt. Evans to Idaho Springs today, and about half way down I start smelling brakes, bad. Wind up behind a CRV with cali tags who is putting along riding her brakes at the slightest hint of a turn. No problem, I'd rather she not kill herself and back up traffic.

Then the road straightens out and becomes a passing zone, so I drop a gear and go to pass her. The oval office speeds up and paces me to almost 70 before I get by her.

What the loving gently caress?

Californians do that here too, the solution is having a bike that's faster than a CRV :getin:

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Discomancer
Aug 31, 2001

I'm on a cupcake caper!

Akion posted:

As a Coloradan, I'd like to give a nice healthy "gently caress You" to the rear end in a top hat drivers that come here from California. Coming down from Mt. Evans to Idaho Springs today, and about half way down I start smelling brakes, bad. Wind up behind a CRV with cali tags who is putting along riding her brakes at the slightest hint of a turn. No problem, I'd rather she not kill herself and back up traffic.

Then the road straightens out and becomes a passing zone, so I drop a gear and go to pass her. The oval office speeds up and paces me to almost 70 before I get by her.

What the loving gently caress?

That's every single time you get into the mountains, it seems like no driver knows what the low gear on their car is for, and anything near I-70 on a weekend, just...ugh.

But they are being helpful by speeding up when the road straightens out so you can make up some time :downs:

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