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A really great way to see what flavor of shithead right wing fringer is is if they deify Reagan or Goldwater, a good bit do it for both but every once in a while you get a dude who only loves Goldwater and you know, 'wow you are a loving lunatic aren't you'. edit: Yea Nixonland is basically the second part of Calm Before the Storm, and Nixon Agonizes is great for painting a more refined view, if you liked Calm I fully agree with Joe's recommendation. sexpig by night fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Jul 24, 2014 |
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Jul 24, 2014 01:40
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Tatum Girlparts posted:every once in a while you get a dude who only loves Goldwater and you know, 'wow you are a loving lunatic aren't you'. a.k.a. Ron Paul
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Jul 24, 2014 01:42
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you really have to be delusional to admire goldwater. despite his stupid views and everything, there is the fact that none of his dumb doomsday predictions about communist takeovers and economic disaster ever came true. after 60 years. of course if you are the kind of person that worships goldwater, you probably also think that there was a communist takeover and we've been living under full communism this whole time except for reagan or something
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Jul 24, 2014 01:43
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Joementum posted:a.k.a. Ron Paul It was more or less a foregone conclusion, what with the name and all.
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Jul 24, 2014 01:44
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baw posted:you really have to be delusional to admire goldwater. despite his stupid views and everything, there is the fact that none of his dumb predictions about communist takeovers and economic disaster ever came true. after 60 years. My dad, we don't talk politics much out of basically self-preservation, but he's a total libertarian far right dude. He fully loves Goldwater and 100% believes he was right because something something statists are like communisits something something he was right shut up he was right.
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Jul 24, 2014 01:45
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There's also the fact that Goldwater's '64 campaign was explicitly segregationist, in case you were looking for other reasons not to feel sorry for him.
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Jul 24, 2014 01:47
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So do you think the Tea Party is unique or is it just another nativist ultraconservative movement ala Goldwater or The John Birch Society or the Know-Nothing Party?
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Jul 24, 2014 01:51
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i'm about halfway through and i'm really looking forward to reading his reaction to the huge defeat but of course in the back of my mind i'll have the nagging thought he lost the battle and won the war
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Jul 24, 2014 01:53
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zoux posted:So do you think the Tea Party is unique or is it just another nativist ultraconservative movement ala Goldwater or The John Birch Society or the Know-Nothing Party? i dont know anything about the know nothing party, but with the goldwater and bircher stuff it is often word-for-word the same rhetoric
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Jul 24, 2014 01:55
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baw posted:i dont know anything about the know nothing party, but with the goldwater and bircher stuff it is often word-for-word the same rhetoric Yeah I kind of comfort myself by thinking that the Tea Party is just a cyclical movement will eventually be left by the side of the road of history like previous movements, but my knowledge of the history of such things is superficial so I don't know how accurate of a read that is.
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Jul 24, 2014 01:58
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zoux posted:So do you think the Tea Party is unique or is it just another nativist ultraconservative movement ala Goldwater or The John Birch Society or the Know-Nothing Party? I think this stuff isn't new or going away, the Tea Party is just a new version of social right wing/highly reactionary xenophobes getting their panties in a knot about problems that boil down to 'the world is progressing around me and it loving TERRIFIES me'.
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Jul 24, 2014 01:59
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I honestly wouldn't be surprised if a good deal of Teabaggers were blood descendants of those who joined the John Birch Society in the 50s and/or the KKK in the 20s
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Jul 24, 2014 02:01
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if race wasn't an issue, would the great consensus have ever been broken? it really is a helluva a thing to think that a huge part of the modern right and our political divide has its roots in unabashed racism
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Jul 24, 2014 02:02
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zoux posted:So do you think the Tea Party is unique or is it just another nativist ultraconservative movement ala Goldwater or The John Birch Society or the Know-Nothing Party? There's lots of elements common to each and there's multiple direct lines from Birchers to the Tea Party- Fred Koch, HL Hunt, etc.
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Jul 24, 2014 02:02
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Which is amusing, because it was Goldwater and Buckley who teamed up to run the Birchers out of the GOP. He was just such a loving nutter that they wouldn't stop following him. It was like The Life of Barry.
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Jul 24, 2014 02:03
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Buckley's distaste for the Birchers and fellow travelers is overstated, much like every other nice thing said about him. I guess in that respect he truly is the father of the modern establishment Republican party.
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Jul 24, 2014 02:05
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i'm really liking reading about him walking the line between saying "these people are insane" and knowing that he needs their rhetoric. a delicate path for an indelicate man
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Jul 24, 2014 02:05
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comes along bort posted:Buckley's distaste for the Birchers and fellow travelers is overstated, much like every other nice thing said about him. I guess in that respect he truly is the father of the modern establishment Republican party.
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Jul 24, 2014 02:09
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baw posted:i dont know anything about the know nothing party, but with the goldwater and bircher stuff it is often word-for-word the same rhetoric The Know Nothings were a nativist party that briefly gained some national power due to the disintegration of the Whigs in the 1850s, and there are some parallels between them and the tea party. The most notable I can think of is that they both came into power on a groundswell of populist agitation (though not of exactly the same nature) and many/most of the candidates they elected were political neophytes who really weren't up to the task of actually governing. And, like the tea partiers, the Know Nothings were somewhat uncomfortably folded into the then-new Republican coalition, although I can't think of any prominent member that stayed at all important within the new GOP.
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Jul 24, 2014 03:16
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The Know-Nothings enjoyed some political success in the South as well, winning the governorship of Maryland, but their party split along the same regional lines as the Whigs, as well.
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Jul 24, 2014 03:19
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:The Know-Nothings enjoyed some political success in the South as well, winning the governorship of Maryland, but their party split along the same regional lines as the Whigs, as well. They were essentially betting that the slave issue would be compromised away as it had been before, and that immigration aka THE FILTHY PAPIST HORDES!!! would be the winning issue for the near future, so it's not surprising that they would initially at least be able to operate in the South where other parties would not.
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Jul 24, 2014 03:21
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Correct me on this, wasn't the Know Nothing's main Southern strengths in the border states with large cities (e.g. Baltimore, Louisville, St. Louis) since those were the places that actually got the then-undesirable Irish immigrants?
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Jul 24, 2014 03:27
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wasn't there actually proto- Know Nothing party called the tea party?
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Jul 24, 2014 03:40
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Correct me on this, wasn't the Know Nothing's main Southern strengths in the border states with large cities (e.g. Baltimore, Louisville, St. Louis) since those were the places that actually got the then-undesirable Irish immigrants? I don't remember, but that would make sense. I was fortunate enough back when I was an MA student to work with Professor Tyler Anbinder at GWU, who wrote one of major academic works on the Know Nothings, Nativism and Slavery, so I'm a little embarrassed that I can't answer that one outright. I'll give him book another look tomorrow, time allowing. Miltank posted:wasn't there actually proto- Know Nothing party called the tea party? Err...maybe? There were tons of short-lived splinter parties and the like at the time due to the collapse of the Second Party System, so it wouldn't surprise me much, though I cannot say for sure.
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Jul 24, 2014 04:04
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Also like the Tea Party they had a stupid loving name that made it super easy for their detractors to make fun of them.
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Jul 24, 2014 04:44
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zoux posted:Also like the Tea Party they had a stupid loving name that made it super easy for their detractors to make fun of them. In their defense, they did call themselves the Order of United Americans (later shortened to the American Party), only to have "know nothing" foisted upon them due to their early secretive ways and ritualistic refusal to answer questions about their organization other than "I know nothing." So yeah, while both were, and are, full of complete doofuses, only the tea baggers voluntarily embraced a stupid-rear end name.
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Jul 24, 2014 04:58
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baw posted:you really have to be delusional to admire goldwater. despite his stupid views and everything, there is the fact that none of his dumb doomsday predictions about communist takeovers and economic disaster ever came true. after 60 years. there was a brief period in this very forum where you might see people getting wistful over goldwater because he was opposed to christian elements of the right.
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Jul 24, 2014 05:02
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paranoid randroid posted:there was a brief period in this very forum where you might see people getting wistful over goldwater because he was opposed to christian elements of the right. if nixon can be the last liberal president, comparing goldwater favorably to the tea party is almost reasonable. it's only a matter of time before ostensibly liberal/left wing people on this forum start admitting reagan may not have been the devil.
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Jul 24, 2014 05:11
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Pornographic Memory posted:if nixon can be the last liberal president, comparing goldwater favorably to the tea party is almost reasonable. it's only a matter of time before ostensibly liberal/left wing people on this forum start admitting reagan may not have been the devil. reagan is still the stupid horsefucker who opened pandora's box, regardless of how much worse the stuff that spewed out of it is
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Jul 24, 2014 06:58
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how the gently caress can anyone with a job or semblance of a social life keep up with the i/p thread? or do y'all just skip over hundreds of posts?
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Jul 24, 2014 09:03
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Swan Oat posted:how the gently caress can anyone with a job or semblance of a social life keep up with the i/p thread? or do y'all just skip over hundreds of posts? "Okay," I thought, "I'll skip to where we are now and keep up from here!" 500 posts in under a day later...
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Jul 24, 2014 09:11
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Swan Oat posted:how the gently caress can anyone with a job or semblance of a social life keep up with the i/p thread? or do y'all just skip over hundreds of posts? You basically have to do that with a lot of the megathreads here.
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Jul 24, 2014 09:14
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I skip over tons of pages in the I/P thread and yet it's like I skip none at all. 
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Swan Oat posted:how the gently caress can anyone with a job or semblance of a social life keep up with the i/p thread? or do y'all just skip over hundreds of posts? I like reading megathreads about current events and I absolutely unironically love reading endless pages of arguing. I wish every bit of news I see wasn't ever so heartbreaking, tho  e: The idea soo many readers would have skipped forward never even crossed my mind
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Jul 24, 2014 09:22
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tentative8e8op posted:e: The idea soo many readers would have skipped forward never even crossed my mind
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Jul 24, 2014 09:29
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i like to read endless pages of arguing too but i am 4 days and 3000 posts behind like what the gently caress
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Jul 24, 2014 09:29
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Swan Oat posted:i like to read endless pages of arguing too but i am 4 days and 3000 posts behind like what the gently caress EDIT: What I mean is that at some point you just have to say, "We can't compete." and go sit in the bleachers. EDIT EDIT: Also just scream DEIR YASSIN every page and leave. ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 09:41 on Jul 24, 2014 |
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Jul 24, 2014 09:33
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Swan Oat posted:i like to read endless pages of arguing too but i am 4 days and 3000 posts behind like what the gently caress I don't feel bad jumping ahead. I usually miss, on 3:2:1 ratio: Wailing and gnashing of teeth, general (ugh I hate this word) pedantry, and a mix of Asia Minor and Food chat.
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The Warszawa posted:I find that your no caps style gives off a low-key, almost mumbly vibe like Arby in Utopia (which everyone should watch). I find that a no-caps style makes you a language terrorist.
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