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Fandyien posted:Secular progressivism is the memetic descendent of Puritan Calvinism and apt descriptors include blasphemy, self-righteous, inquisition, indoctrination, and brainwashing. Therefore, progressive culture is often referred to as “the Cathedral”. The Cathedral consists of influential people in politics, journalism, academia and education acting in a (mostly) uncoordinated manner to advance progressive principles in society; often deceptively. We do not imply conspiracies. this is the pseudo intellectual equivalent of those meme recipes that are GONNA TEACH YOU HOW TO MAKE SOME MOTHERSHITTING FUCKTITS LASAGNA
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:45 |
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dark enlightenment is loving hilarious, because it's all pasty dorks who think they're genetically superior and would be some kind of important duke in the feudal techno-libertarian future, when in fact they would be murdered.
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:45 |
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Fandyien posted:Neoreactionaries accept human biological diversity. Individual humans and human groups differ in ability, psychological disposition, intelligence, and other traits for genetic reasons. Disparities result from innate differences. Genetics can explain 50% or more of the differences in lifetime outcomes within and between human groups. Other factors are minor by comparison. I like Justine, she was nice to me years back when I first talked to her. I don't agree with her politics (at all) but I don't like posts misgendering her either Fandyien posted:dark enlightenment is loving hilarious, because it's all pasty dorks who think they're genetically superior and would be some kind of important duke in the feudal techno-libertarian future, when in fact they would be murdered. yup supremacy and success by way of Being White = gonna get murdered in our imminent Mad Max future
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:45 |
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These people are all "If only it weren't for those pesky black people, I would be King of Narnia!" It's even sadder than libertarianism because at least captains of industry actually exist.
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:46 |
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dark enlightenment also happens to have a like 90% intersection with insane antisemitic neonazi holocaust deniers
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:46 |
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Republican Vampire posted:These people are all "If only it weren't for those pesky black people, I would be King of Narnia!" It's even sadder than libertarianism because at least captains of industry actually exist. Someone like this once told me that they would keep me in their royal court despite my common birth. I think it was supposed to be a compliment but it came off as really rapey.
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:47 |
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MY NIGGA TODAY WE ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT HOW TO ACTUALIZE THE COCKFUCKING TRIUMPH OF THE WILL OVER PROGRESSIVE NEO-CALVINIST SLAVE MORALITY
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:48 |
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imo it comes from too many role-playing games and not enough swift kicks in the dick
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:49 |
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paranoid randroid posted:MY NIGGA TODAY WE ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT HOW TO ACTUALIZE THE COCKFUCKING TRIUMPH OF THE WILL OVER PROGRESSIVE NEO-CALVINIST SLAVE MORALITY lmao
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:49 |
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Fandyien posted:imo it comes from too many role-playing games and not enough swift kicks in the dick jocks in the high school were the real heroes
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:50 |
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Fandyien posted:imo it comes from too many role-playing games and not enough swift kicks in the dick Tunney was smarter about this than we thought
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:50 |
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a lot of them are anarcho capitalists and like i get that such a system would definitely result in feudal monarchies, but like ideologically, dudes who do nothing but jerk it to individual freedom should have a really hard time reconciling tha tw/this poo poo
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:51 |
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hemophilia posted:Someone post more about whatever dark enlightenment is gently caress yeah, this is what better than whatever that Justine Tunney fool has to say.
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:52 |
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neoreactionaries are really ridiculous because they think that there's some way to just conjure up new bloodlines in a genuine aristocratic way but i really don't understand how that's possible. unless they just think the hordes fat retarded nouveau rich chinese people will become benevolent enlightened despots somehow i suspect they aren't thinking of rich asians and stuff tho
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:53 |
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they think it's gonna be chunky white guys w/wispy mustaches and really annoying grating voices
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:54 |
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ayn rand is probably jealous she didn't come up with "The only morality is civilization"
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:54 |
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If we take a closer look at the term "progressivism" we will see the core of our problem. Progress implies movement. It means change. Changing one's goal to something else. When that change is paired with political power, the thing that can actually do it, you will kinda get it. Since progressivism is a kind of a meme virus which defines itself through its ability to designate a specific socio-cultural/legal norm as "the enemy" and through its ability to destroy them, the existence of progressive ideologies is paradoxical. They feed on the things they kill. When they feed enough, they starve and die. Thus the progressive meme virus must either die or change the goal - effectively mutate, in order to survive. Since "progress" can only go by destroying socio-cultural/legal "norms", and the very same socio-cultural/legal "norms" are the building blocks of civilization, "progress" occurs contrary to the divine principles of discrimination by either diminishing the results of reflective potential of discrimination codified in first legal, then socio-cultural ideas, and then by the resource from where they were made possible - manifesting either as stereotypes or more extremely biological reality. Thus, you can asses how much progressive meme virus is powerful by looking at what kind of discrimination is going after - if it's going against legal discrimination (i.e. blacks can't vote) then it's probably very weak. If it's going against something more intangible (i.e. the feminist "Patriarchy" as concept as stupid as its proponents) then it's probably mutated to its extreme. If we tie in a moralistic sentiment here about somethings that cannot be altered, going by the classical liberal ideas of right to liberty (freedom of association,free speech,free thought...), life, pursuit of happiness - you can use any moral system you like, you can asses the moral value of a progressive virus. If it's attacking one of your core moral values, then it's probably immoral. For example, affirmative action and quotas. If it's a side moral value that serves no purpose in your building blocks of morality, then it's probably not. Example, slavery. (Moldbug defends that the slaves had it better not because slavery was innately good, but because the slave masters were very kind, something that is not intrinsically found in slavery.) Here on DE we can easily infer that not every progressive meme virus in every incarnation is just. But what we often forget about, or shy away from because progressive machine wrapped it up in poo poo, is that not every incarnation of every socio-cultural norm is just. Some "progress" is good, some is bad. Some "reaction" is good, some is bad. Depends on the circumstances. That's important. Leftist Singularity does not exist, the chaos will wreak havoc on your society before it's achieved. Rightist Singularity, while stable, is a story for another time. What is important to notice is that "progress" is linear, and the amount of it can be assessed from the current incarnation of the particular meme virus (i.e. feminism) or the political ideas as a whole. Since we established that progress is linear, and some of it is better in certain quantities, it makes sense to build a civilization with retaining some parts of progressivism. Consider the following : *"Progress" first was from Aristocracy to the Right, Nationalism to the Left. Power to the French people, not to the French king. Effectively speaking, nationalism was the first progressivism. Ethno-nationalist trads and other mouthful words are just thinly veiled nationalists who use the current ideas of HBD and anti-progressivism to go back to the time when it dominated. * Now, not only is Nationalism the Right, it's also the Hitler. Since progress has gone so far, it alienated some of the more moderately progressives like libertarians and similar. Hence the reason why they are often included here. Some liberals take it as insult when compared with "muh soggy knee" luhberals and find their place here, since the mouthbreathing Machiavellians who dream of Silicon Reich tend to be more open minded than the people who vilify them. You belong to the paleoconservative or paleoliberal (classical liberal?) spectrum who progress left behind. Technically speaking, you're not a progressive anymore. Also, radishmag has interesting take on "large government is a weak government" idea, so check that out when you can.
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:55 |
I wondered what had happened to replace Goths/Emo and it looks like this is trying to be it. Gotta slather on properly reactionary blush and mascara before you go out.
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:56 |
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"the only morality is civilization" is really great actually because its a trite little nothing that sounds meaningful so long as you dont think about it too hard its perfect for muttering portentously and also putting on bumbper stickers
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:56 |
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Fandyien posted:a lot of them are anarcho capitalists and like i get that such a system would definitely result in feudal monarchies, but like ideologically, dudes who do nothing but jerk it to individual freedom should have a really hard time reconciling tha tw/this poo poo It's not a coherent ideology. Their an-cap/libertarian beliefs come from the same place as their fascist and monarchist poo poo: an unhealthy and childish belief in individualism and the concept of the hero.
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:56 |
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honestly i thikn libertarianism and ancapism comes primarily from a total rejection of nuance. everything is some kind of theft/not theft binary predicated on property and that weird praxeological principle that hiuman action is inherently logical and you extrapolate that poo poo out. there's just no room for complexity
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:58 |
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Fandyien posted:this person is so goddamn stupid and laughable that i'm just gonna post all of the futurist manifesto here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsYSUEXmA9E
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 03:58 |
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how come Google hasn't told her to quit her poo poo yet?
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 04:00 |
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Genetics can explain 50% or more of the differences in lifetime outcomes within and between human groups. Other factors are minor by comparison, (except for when you are a dude that wants to be a chick, in which case genetics is irrelevant and)
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 04:00 |
You think you're enlightened? Well I'm dark enlightened. A dark good day to you, progressive meme victim.
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 04:01 |
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Maoist Pussy posted:Genetics can explain 50% or more of the differences in lifetime outcomes within and between human groups. Other factors are minor by comparison, (except for when you are a dude that wants to be a chick, in which case genetics is irrelevant and) actually i dont think DE dudes would be down w/transgender peeps
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 04:02 |
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im gay posted:how come Google hasn't told her to quit her poo poo yet?
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 04:02 |
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Unfortunately Neoreaction really is largely a more erudite version of libertarianism. The idea is simple, Neoreaction conceptualizes the state, not as something antithetical to the market, like Ancaps and ideological libertarians do, but as a corporation, something developed within the market as a solution to a fundamental problem of governance imposed by nature on humanity. In short, Neoreaction subjects the concept of government to conditioning by market forces. This idea is a continuation of libertarianism, and eschews notions of objective civilizational progress to higher levels of happiness, equality, or morality. The point is this, our mass, secular democracies developed according to market forces as a response to the material conditions of modernity. Neoreaction rejects attempts by people like Rawls to derive the current system in idea as one inherently morally superior to other alternatives. This explains why democracy fails in places like the middle east, material conditions there make mass democracy unsuitable as a solution to the problem of governance. Another consequence of this is that, as the conditions of modernity give way to something else, to different material conditions, our mass democratic system is essentially obsoleted by history, which explains the perceived decline of the West. Unlike Marx or other materialists, the collapse of capitalism in this period of late-modernity does not give rise, teleologically, to the completion of the idea of government in actuality, but rather the failure of the system merely gives rise to opportunities to innovate new, more adaptive solutions. This is something Moldbug says explicitly at one point, that the problem of governance has not been universally solved, there is room for further innovation and adaptation. Like many progressives you have in mind a constitutive vision for a morally perfect or complete society that we need to be somehow working towards or attempting to realize, either through the reformation of the current system, or by means of the total replacement of it, through revolution etc. Schiller offers a superior solution to this moral problem however, proving in the Aesthetic Education of Man that the object of politics is not the moral harmony of society, but only the physically and immediately necessary. The harmony of society rather lies absolutely within the confines of the realm of aesthetic culture. Politics cannot be used to bring about a moral society in actuality. Culture represents the limit to which a moral society can exist in reality, and attempts to extend the moral improvement of society beyond the sphere of culture to the physical realm of the actual is to violate the boundaries of truth and morality. "The Cathedral" is a narrative of society that attempts to replace reality in such a way so as to narratize a more moral society into existence, but because all narratives of society are subjective, and not universal, and because all thinking subjects possess the inviolable right to judge, that is to construct such narratives, to attempt to impose a narrative on them is the height of immorality. This is what has lead to the Neo- Victorian moral repression of contemporary social justice. You may find some people to agree with you, there's a lot of Leftist thinking present in Neoreaction. Anarchopapist for example is fundamentally a leftist. You probably have the most in common with the unapologetic fascist ENR sorts. They'll probably agree with a lot of your points about a large powerful state, but they'll inevitably disagree with you about the moral vision that state should be working to realize. That's what really links the right and left, they differ in largely superficial ways while both adhering in form to one another. Neoreaction to me though is about rejection of the political engineering or realization of morality, seeking instead to mitigate subjectivity through the idea of the patchwork, which is not about a large powerful state imposing a moral narrative unto itself in an effort to bring about its own perfection, but about small market-competitive states leaving the realm of morality secure in itself.
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 04:02 |
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Fandyien posted:actually i dont think DE dudes would be down w/transgender peeps yeah, that is kinda where I was going with that.
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 04:03 |
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quote:Culture represents the limit to which a moral society can exist in reality, and attempts to extend the moral improvement of society beyond the sphere of culture to the physical realm of the actual is to violate the boundaries of truth and morality.
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 04:03 |
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idiot shitfucker posted:"The Cathedral" is a narrative of society that attempts to replace reality in such a way so as to narratize a more moral society into existence, but because all narratives of society are subjective, and not universal, and because all thinking subjects possess the inviolable right to judge, that is to construct such narratives, to attempt to impose a narrative on them is the height of immorality I just picked a random sentence, and what does this mean, how does a self impressed erudite write this poo poo, how do you diagram it, what the gently caress is going on
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 04:06 |
citing guys with names like "moldbug" reminds me of the Umberto Eco essay about an obscene rhyme where all the sources are owl puns
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 04:07 |
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I think he's trying to say that mud people have a lower morality or something
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 04:07 |
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Maoist Pussy posted:I think he's trying to say that mud people have a lower morality or something they get an attack bonus tho so it's actually well-balanced
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 04:09 |
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i honestly don't think that guy even knows what the gently caress he's saying
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 04:09 |
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Maoist Pussy posted:I think he's trying to say that mud people have a lower morality or something so you used ten syllables where w/e used 20,000, you are an efficiency genius
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 04:10 |
It's a pretty incoherent mess of a complaint against existing models of governance and authority, and an essential endorsement of anarchism wrapped up in all kinds of crazy and insane poo poo and sentences that go nowhere and mean nothing. Apparently the response is a return to feudalism or something.
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 04:10 |
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they want to return to pre-unification 18th century germany, for real ed: only w/a cable inernet connection
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 04:10 |
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this is like if you got newt gingrich all hosed up on adderal
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 04:11 |
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Fandyien posted:dark enlightenment also happens to have a like 90% intersection with insane antisemitic neonazi holocaust deniers You don't say
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