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Lexicon posted:Is that the same food truck scheme where the vendors are all carefully chosen by a City committee to ensure healthiness, diversity of cuisine, and presumably the full suite of organic|local|free-run|free-trade, etc? As opposed to just issuing licenses and inspecting for health-code violations like a normal place would do? But but some cheap tasty food trucks might roll in and undrcut customers from the local organic $10 each mini quinoa taco truck. Seriously gently caress food trucks, such an over-priced fad. When it first all started there were only a few food trucks and the general idea was that you traded bathrooms, a roof, and a big menu for cheap honest food on the go. Now every food truck is pretending to be fine dining, or at least charging as if it was. People are willing to pay more for the loving novelty of eating from a food truck vs a normal restaurant, which is just as local, and also offers take-out, and generally has a smaller line and less pretentious yuppies standing around barely containing their smug smiles at what an authentic urban experience they are having. Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Jul 23, 2014 |
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Lexicon posted:Is that the same food truck scheme where the vendors are all carefully chosen by a City committee to ensure healthiness, diversity of cuisine, and presumably the full suite of organic|local|free-run|free-trade, etc? As opposed to just issuing licenses and inspecting for health-code violations like a normal place would do? P much. The food truck festival is just outside the vpd parking lot under the cambie bridge. You can pay some stupid admission fee for the privilege of overpaying for food from a loving truck and eating while standing.
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Baronjutter posted:But but some cheap tasty food trucks might roll in and undrcut customers from the local organic $10 each mini quinoa taco truck. Seriously gently caress food trucks, such an over-priced fad. Same thing in Calgary. No one in Canada seems to understand the point of a food truck is to be cheap and convenient. They aren't cheap, the food is generally mediocre (all the ones I've tried), and due to our open-container laws, there's obviously no booze. Meanwhile, you have to find a place to sit and eat, and it's generally just a huge hassle. Why would anyone choose a food truck over a restaurant in Vancouver or Calgary, given the current options? It's like we wanted trendy things, but we have no clue why.
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Burger $2.85 is the only food cart I'll eat at, because it's the only food cart that understands what the gently caress a food cart is.
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peter banana posted:you pay admission and you pay for your food? Victoria used to have an awesome festival called Folk Fest. It was really simple, it was food trucks before food trucks were a huge stupid fad. They'd fill the square by city hall up with food trucks/trailers from all the various local cultural associations, plus those associations would put on little shows on a stage. All just volunteers and amateurs having fun. There was no entry fee and the food vendors made bank selling delicious but reasonably priced food. They decided they needed to go bigger of course because who the gently caress wants a free popular event showcasing local culture but mostly food. No no, people clearly came for the dancing and music not the food. We need to fly in acts from all over, but this will cost money. So they started having an entry fee. Which means they needed gates, ticket system. The food vendors noticed a drop in sales at the same time the fees they needed to pay to participate went up. Tons of people who were only interested in the food and hanging out stopped going because they didn't want to pay to go buy food. The entire event stopped being about local cultural food and desperately was trying to become a big serious but horribly generic music event. The organizers kept trying to make the festival bigger and bigger and with more expensive acts to reach the critical mass needed where ticket sales and to try to make sure the food vendors actually had enough customers. They had horrible venue issues, organization issues, and eventually went into such financial disaster that the whole thing died. At the same time the city started to impose stricter and stricter regulations on events and food vendors that made going back to the old festival nearly impossible.
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It has become more and more clear why I stopped bothering to do things in Vancouver.peter banana posted:you pay admission and you pay for your food? I think you will find that paying 800K for a termite shack, or paying admission to a food cart festival, is just how we roll in the Best Place on Earth. pleb
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PT6A posted:Same thing in Calgary. No one in Canada seems to understand the point of a food truck is to be cheap and convenient. They aren't cheap, the food is generally mediocre (all the ones I've tried), and due to our open-container laws, there's obviously no booze. Meanwhile, you have to find a place to sit and eat, and it's generally just a huge hassle. Why would anyone choose a food truck over a restaurant in Vancouver or Calgary, given the current options? It's like we wanted trendy things, but we have no clue why. Food trucks, done right, are an excellent addition to a City's dining options (see: Portland or Manhattan). It's doomed to failure when you throw in that awfully-Canadian of tendencies to regulate every minor detail to death (largely to preserve the profit of existing businesses, who of course have the right to never have market conditions change on them ever). This is, of course, a country that pays bureaucrats to taste cheese for sufficient differentiation from domestic offerings before permitting import at a non-punitive tariff, so I really shouldn't be surprised.
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Lexicon posted:This is, of course, a country that pays bureaucrats to taste cheese for sufficient differentiation from domestic offerings before permitting import at a non-punitive tariff, so I really shouldn't be surprised. How do I get this job?
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Rutibex posted:How do I get this job? Hey, finally a topic we can summon pt6a on.
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ocrumsprug posted:It has become more and more clear why I stopped bothering to do things in Vancouver. You people are obviously not world class enough to understand the New Economics of Vancouver to enjoy our lifestyle. Vancouverites are the most baller motherfuckers in Canada because we all are all man enough to sacrifice our futures for the chance to live our lives to the fullest, in the now. Who needs money anyway? Not us. https://businessincanada.com/2014/07/23/canada-cities-metropolitan-area-family-median-income-middle-class/ e: Cities with the top 10 highest median family incomes. quote:Calgary, AB ($98,300) This list is in order btw. namaste friends fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Jul 23, 2014 |
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I'd love to see a longer list that actually included Vancouver, Toronto, Victoria and such.
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Baronjutter posted:I'd love to see a longer list that actually included Vancouver, Toronto, Victoria and such. code:cowofwar fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Jul 23, 2014 |
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On the topic of doing things in Vancouver, I was surprised to find in this link from the Uber vs Taxi thread (http://www.businessinsider.com/20-north-american-cities-with-the-worst-traffic-2013-1?op=1) that Vancouver is, as of last year, the second most congested city in North America, not all that far behind LA. The statistics related to this city continue to amaze me.
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MeinPanzer posted:On the topic of doing things in Vancouver, I was surprised to find in this link from the Uber vs Taxi thread (http://www.businessinsider.com/20-north-american-cities-with-the-worst-traffic-2013-1?op=1) that Vancouver is, as of last year, the second most congested city in North America, not all that far behind LA. The statistics related to this city continue to amaze me. Ain't that the truth. It's fascinating.
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MeinPanzer posted:On the topic of doing things in Vancouver, I was surprised to find in this link from the Uber vs Taxi thread (http://www.businessinsider.com/20-north-american-cities-with-the-worst-traffic-2013-1?op=1) that Vancouver is, as of last year, the second most congested city in North America, not all that far behind LA. The statistics related to this city continue to amaze me.
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I remember when that article came out and a lot of urban planners and traffic engineering people really picking it apart as mostly bullshit. I think it came out of some libertarian pro-car "think tank" or something that wanted "prove" investing in transit was bad and we need more urban highways.
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Rime posted:Burger $2.85 is the only food cart I'll eat at, because it's the only food cart that understands what the gently caress a food cart is. gently caress yeah
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PT6A posted:Same thing in Calgary. No one in Canada seems to understand the point of a food truck is to be cheap and convenient. They aren't cheap, the food is generally mediocre (all the ones I've tried), and due to our open-container laws, there's obviously no booze. Meanwhile, you have to find a place to sit and eat, and it's generally just a huge hassle. Why would anyone choose a food truck over a restaurant in Vancouver or Calgary, given the current options? It's like we wanted trendy things, but we have no clue why. white people ruin everything including the developing world street food concept.
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etalian posted:white people ruin everything including the developing world street food concept. middle class conceit
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If you lived/worked at the same place everyday and the food trucks moved around you could eat different kinds of truck food everyday without having to travel far from your office, and the truck operator would basically be able to market to the whole city instead of just their little strip mall. The advent of poo poo like twitter makes it easier.
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http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Vancouver+moves+food+scraps+from+landfills/10053313/story.html The City of Vancouver wants to ban all food scraps from landfills. This is gonna be great for everyone living in a condo, filled with pride.
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I'm quite an environmentalist but the whole food scraps thing has been a disaster in Victoria and area. First of all it was badly explained, no one knew exactly what they were suposed to do or what the rules were. We were all given TWO huge full sized garbage bins, one for actual garbage, one for kitchen scraps. The volume balance is so off its insane. Apparently they want us to buy bio-degradable bags and put the scraps in there then put them in the bin. People were just tossing scraps in the bins. Everyone I know with a house/yard just composts their stuff in their yard already. At a block party not a single person on the block said they ever used their new kitchen scraps bin once, it just sits there. At the same time people in apartments don't want to deal with that poo poo. I don't think my building even has a bin for it, maybe apartments are exempt? I certainly don't want a bucket of rotting food scraps sitting in my small apartment. Then there's the actual fuckup of what happens next. Turned out the city hosed up with their contracts or something and it was all ending up at the dump anyways. There's some big drama between Victoria-proper and Saanich with one of them poaching the contract/capacity from the other. Also Saanich rolled out bins of a different design than Victoria (of course, because every "city" in Victoria is a unique snowflake that can't cooperate or do anything together) and the lids can only close in the summer, in the winter they are basically impossible to close. Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Jul 24, 2014 |
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hahahahahahahah e: fuuuuuck saanich
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The composting thing was a really good idea for restaurants - every joint I've worked in that used it cut down our trash to one half-bin, but yeah, we filled a food scraps bin per day. I toss my food scraps separately from my apartment - it's not hard, just keep them separate when you cook a meal, and toss them when you go out the next day.
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My kitchen used to have a window near enough the compost pile that I could just chuck stuff out. Anything that missed was taken care of by the birds or raccoons. Your apartment has a compost or one of those dark green bins? We've just got a cardboard bin, garbage bin, and glass/plastics bin which we keep unlocked for hobos.
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Lexicon posted:Is that the same food truck scheme where the vendors are all carefully chosen by a City committee to ensure healthiness, diversity of cuisine, and presumably the full suite of organic|local|free-run|free-trade, etc? As opposed to just issuing licenses and inspecting for health-code violations like a normal place would do? Actually I think they made a major move towards the latter about two years ago (hence there being enough food trucks for a festival at all). They're probably still more regulated than they need to be, but baby steps.
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Throatwarbler posted:If you lived/worked at the same place everyday and the food trucks moved around you could eat different kinds of truck food everyday without having to travel far from your office, and the truck operator would basically be able to market to the whole city instead of just their little strip mall. The advent of poo poo like twitter makes it easier. This isn't really how food trucks operate, though. I live in Philadelphia, which is basically a food truck utopia where permits are cheap and all kinds of "mobile food vendors" can be found all over the place. Even in these conditions, however, most food trucks and stalls stay in or return to the same spot all the time, effectively becoming stationary businesses. I guess once you find some turf with an established customer base, you hold on to it. The only times I've seen food trucks really moving around was for major events, but that's only because there's a guaranteed customer base and event coordinators encourage the food trucks to set up shop. It probably wouldn't be worth it as a food truck to cruise around every day burning gas and losing precious operating time in the hopes of finding a new high-traffic place that isn't already claimed.
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Cultural Imperial posted:http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Vancouver+moves+food+scraps+from+landfills/10053313/story.html I thought it was pretty much a done deal and scheduled to come into effect in 2015. The delay is, indeed, mostly so they can figure out how to do condos. As for logistics, it's worked out OK so far, since everyone already had a separate green bin for yard scraps. They also had a major information campaign, including attaching tags to every bin. As for actual composting, they have big facility in South Van. A lot of the compost goes back into street gardens and public parks, but you can also buy it pretty cheap.
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gtfo i'm not storing a bin full of rotting food
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Cultural Imperial posted:gtfo i'm not storing a bin full of rotting food bourgie gently caress
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Baronjutter posted:My kitchen used to have a window near enough the compost pile that I could just chuck stuff out. Anything that missed was taken care of by the birds or raccoons. been using my neighbors actually (still waiting for the city to give my building a big green bin)  but I grew up with a composting bin in my folks place so I'm used to it and it's just not that much effort for me. I can see how others might have a hard time lifting a thing each morning.
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MeinPanzer posted:This isn't really how food trucks operate, though. I live in Philadelphia, which is basically a food truck utopia where permits are cheap and all kinds of "mobile food vendors" can be found all over the place. Even in these conditions, however, most food trucks and stalls stay in or return to the same spot all the time, effectively becoming stationary businesses. I guess once you find some turf with an established customer base, you hold on to it. The only times I've seen food trucks really moving around was for major events, but that's only because there's a guaranteed customer base and event coordinators encourage the food trucks to set up shop. It probably wouldn't be worth it as a food truck to cruise around every day burning gas and losing precious operating time in the hopes of finding a new high-traffic place that isn't already claimed. Well, OK. When they first came out I remember it was a big deal that they would broadcast their locations on twitter. I guess even if they don't do it all that often it would still be a useful ability. I've never actually eaten in one since I am poor.
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Cultural Imperial posted:gtfo i'm not storing a bin full of rotting food Look at this NIMBYesque vancouverite. It's not actually that bad, my city has been doing it for a while now... Of course we never got the bins in my building so  but my family and some friends bother with it and it's working out pretty good.
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FrozenVent posted:Look at this NIMBYesque vancouverite. Yeah our city does this too. It's really not all that bad once you get into the hang of it; the bin has a good seal on it no rotting food smell escapes into the kitchen. Separating out the recycling and food waste we only generate one bag of garbage per week now.
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I was in Sweden last year and they have like 7 different bins for waste of different sorts. When I asked where my left over organics would go, to fertilize the parks they looked at me like I was crazy and said its how they run their buses.  I'd be happy with condo pickup of recyclables in Calgary rather than having to cart my stuff to a depot but as long as its not going to the landfill I'll put up with that minor inconvenience.
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My building gave us small pails for food scraps months ago, but there's still nowhere in the garbage area to drop them off. 
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less than three posted:My building gave us small pails for food scraps months ago, but there's still nowhere in the garbage area to drop them off. Out the window; sucks to have the townhouse patio below...
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I didn't know about this food truck craze until I heard about the food truck party here in Halifax next week. It's only $2 at the gate though.
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