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Hekk posted:Imagine the Army but replace 45 year old specialists who don't give a gently caress with 20 something lance corporals with PTSD and drinking problems. That sounds like the Navy, only replace PTSD with "fat and out of shape".
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Before I shipped (maybe even before MEPs) I had an interview with a civilian where they asked in detail about drug and alcohol use since I mentioned those things on my forms. I always assumed it was a clearance thing but apparently I never had a clearance. So I'm guessing it would work similarly with admitting you have financial issues? Give them a heads up. Hekk posted:They aren't privy to the operational or strategic level importance of what they are doing. This is super conducive to keeping grunts invested in THE MISSION. It became apparent very quickly that  Strategic Corporal is just a nice way of saying War crimes are bad even at the fire team level!
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ArbitraryTA posted:Well I've had to fill out a remarkably long amount of things including all prior employment/residences/personal references/law violations etc etc before I even got to the MEPS and that was all done in the recruiting office inputted directly by the recruiter. That sounds like it, are you scheduled for a security clearance interview? He's the guy that signs off on it at MEPS. Whoever it is will go over everything you put down, or at least that's how it worked for me.
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ManMythLegend posted:Really? Infantry and tankers don't require Secret? Like, how do they get mission and threat briefs before they go out on patrol or whatever considering most of that stuff is going to be classified? Well we can't read, write, nor talk good so whatevs
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Mustang posted:That sounds like it, are you scheduled for a security clearance interview? He's the guy that signs off on it at MEPS. Whoever it is will go over everything you put down, or at least that's how it worked for me. Nah, I wasn't looking for an MOS that required a clearance unless I could get a clearance. I'm not uncomfortable talking about issues like this with people so I was gonna be straight with my recruiter on it since part of it is medical debt. I'm gonna need to give 'em the med docs for the visits to the ER anyways just to let them confirm that it wasn't for anything serious. It's seriously a laughably small amount of debt it's just all in collections is the problem. I am going to straight up ask them to just take my whole drat paycheck and throw it at the debt until it's all cleared up because I just don't want to deal with it and going in as an E-2 I'm gonna have 7-8 grand paid off around the time I get out of AIT anyways.
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Be honest and you'll probably be fine unless you have some glaring issues.
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I was a raver and also was honest on enlistment requiring a massive, massive drug waiver and I had to talk to actual FBI agents when I was in MCT. They were super nice but kept asking politely for me to give the names and addresses of my friends who did drugs too. (I refused) Welp that's my story. Anyway don't commit perjury and especially don't commit perjury on something that is super verifiable and also which you know will be verified. Being one Experian lookup from a felony conviction is not worth anything.
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Victor Vermis posted:It became apparent very quickly that There was an article in the Marine Corps Gazette that essentially said that the 'Strategic Corporal' is just an acknowledgement that a corporal/lcpl could gently caress up an entire AO just by being an idiot.
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MassivelyBuckNegro posted:There was an article in the Marine Corps Gazette that essentially said that the 'Strategic Corporal' is just an acknowledgement that a corporal/lcpl could gently caress up an entire AO just by being an idiot. Was there ever actually a push to have the term used any other way? The only time I've ever heard it used was in conjunction with "Marines rape Japanese woman" or "Drunk Marines wreck vehicle into Korean house" or something similar.
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Hahahaha. So I go to my recruiter and tell them about the debt and bring the med docs for the medical debt to show that they aren't big deal medical things and I'm pretty much told "Don't worry about it, just stick to the script and you'll be fine since your job won't require clearance." Edit: This was told to me directly from the recruiting depot commander, at that. ArbitraryTA fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Jul 25, 2014 |
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ArbitraryTA posted:Hahahaha. So I go to my recruiter and tell them about the debt and bring the med docs for the medical debt to show that they aren't big deal medical things and I'm pretty much told "Don't worry about it, just stick to the script and you'll be fine since your job won't require clearance." I think you mean the SFC or whatever rank the senior dude is at the recruiting office. There is no way any commander told you to stick to a script because the open secret about recruiting is all the officers pretend not to know about what really goes on down at the individual level. That way they can deny any knowledge of wrongdoing when investigations happen (which is often).
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Hekk posted:I think you mean the SFC or whatever rank the senior dude is at the recruiting office. There is no way any commander told you to stick to a script because the open secret about recruiting is all the officers pretend not to know about what really goes on down at the individual level. That way they can deny any knowledge of wrongdoing when investigations happen (which is often). Yes, that would be the person I'm talking about then. I was planning on just slipping the med docs into my overnight bag and discussing it with the MEPS personnel when I get there and have my SF-86 updated with the correct information.
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ArbitraryTA posted:Yes, that would be the person I'm talking about then. I was planning on just slipping the med docs into my overnight bag and discussing it with the MEPS personnel when I get there and have my SF-86 updated with the correct information. Good thinking. The MEPS liaison does not work directly for the recruiting station (or depot or whatever the army calls it) Commanding Officer (CO). Instead there is a MEPS CO who all the staff there fall under. This is important because it prevents a conflict of interest and/or interference from the recruiting stations. Basically, the liaisons can't be put in a position where their boss wants them to do something illegal in order to make their contracting or shipping missions. If you disclose this to the MEPS personnel, they will call your recruiter and make them do the right thing. Recruiter man might be pissed off but he still wants you as a contract and you've forced his hand because now no one can pretend they didn't know anything about it. A word of advice though, DO NOT tell the MEPS liaison that your recruiter told you to keep your mouth shut. If asked why you are saying something now, just tell them something about Army values or some poo poo. If you make an accusation about your recruiter, they are forced to investigate them and it's likely he and his boss will tell you to go gently caress yourself. It'll be harder to enlist and no one really wins.
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Yeah. Something tells me them trying -really hard- to get me to the MEPS before the end of the month and them telling me to keep quiet and stick to the script may in fact be related. Edit: Just asking this for confirmation since again I'm at the point where if I don't enlist I'm nearing the point of being very much screwed. Yes, I will be able to enlist with 8k in collections probably. No, I will not be getting a clearance no matter how nice I am so don't pretend. Last thing, if I bring all this up at the MEPS with med docs on hand to give to them am I going to be able to immediately move forward or will I have to reschedule the MEPS visit do you think? ArbitraryTA fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Jul 25, 2014 |
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ArbitraryTA posted:Nah, I wasn't looking for an MOS that required a clearance unless I could get a clearance. I'm not uncomfortable talking about issues like this with people so I was gonna be straight with my recruiter on it since part of it is medical debt. I'm gonna need to give 'em the med docs for the visits to the ER anyways just to let them confirm that it wasn't for anything serious. I was literally you. Don't loving do it. Do not join the army. I went in with a shitload of debt, which by the way is not paid off yet, and went to a stupid combat arms job to avoid any security clearance check. First of all, you will loving hate your job. Know that going in. I know you think you know that, but it's one thing to handle 16 weeks of BCT and AIT like a champ, it's quite another to handle years of it. You have like 2 YEARS until you even get a sham shield, at which point they're probably leaning on you to take a lot of NCO responsibility that you shouldn't be doing and you don't want to do. You think, oh it will be better as an E-5, SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER, now you get to do all the NCO bullshit that no one else wants to do. Hate having to wax the floor, well now you're going to be supervising the guys on extra duty until 23:59, but at least you won't be doing any actual work! Think E-6 is good? Now you get poo poo on by your PSG over and over again. But you won't make it that far, because you will hate it enough to get out after your original term of enlistment with the same amount of debt. Second, you're going to get put in for a secret clearance whether you like it or not. You filled out the form, so you're getting put in for one. Now you've been at your unit for a month and your commander is getting calls from an investigator about clearing up some discrepancies. If you're lucky, the worst thing that will happen is you'll just get denied the clearance after meeting with this guy and no one will care because you don't need one anyway; if you aren't lucky you'll get some dick who tries to nail you to the cross about lying, or you'll gently caress yourself by actually lying to avoid this situation. Finally, there's the debt that you still haven't paid off because you got to your first duty station and realized "holy poo poo, my motor pool is 2 miles away I need a car" and then "gently caress the DFAC it's easier to just buy all my food at the commissary" and "I can't stay in the barracks all the time, I need to hit the town and party". So you're just waiting for that fateful day when your creditors find out you're in the army and either call your commander (you're hosed), or even worse, just start garnishing your entire check and then you're completely hosed unless you talk to your commander about it because you won't get paid for a year. And you won't know when that day will come. Do not join the army.
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Nimmy posted:I was literally you. Don't loving do it. Do not join the army. I went in with a shitload of debt, which by the way is not paid off yet, and went to a stupid combat arms job to avoid any security clearance check. Mate, it's ~8k in debt that all has no interest on it. I don't have to fight an uphill battle or anything to pay it off, I just need to pay it period. I'll have enough to almost completely clear everything out by the end of AIT. Yeah, it sucks. I'm not joining entirely to pay off my debt though. I'm primarily joining because if I don't my best COA for the time being is to go hunt boars in the woods or some poo poo and live in a tree. Having no family to fall back on in hard times is awesome.
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ArbitraryTA posted:I'll have enough to almost completely clear everything out by the end of AIT. Yeah, it sucks. I guarantee you will be nowhere close. But enjoy the 13B life I guess.
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I mean Marines do MEUs and UDPs in peacetime amongst other poo poo what do "combat" arms in the Army do? Chill in Alaska, Germany, and South Korea?
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To be fair South Korea and Germany are both pretty chill if the mil didn't gently caress things up and issue mass punishment to everyone.
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Christoff posted:No I'm genuinely curious It's a lot of sitting around and waiting to get released. If you're 19 or 13 series there's a lot of loving off in the motor pool. "Get a green pad and scrub that artillery gold off the muzzle break, private!" You go to the field a lot to train on whatever it is that you do and everyone hates it.
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Really, 8k isn't that bad. Make a plan to pay it off (with the collections people before you go to MEPS) and try for a decent MOS. I had 2-3k in collections when I was like 19 and was able to get a 35 series MOS when I enlisted in my mid 20s. Basically, don't go AD combat arms unless you want to be Anasai. Flying_Crab fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Jul 25, 2014 |
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DoktorLoken posted:Really, 8k isn't that bad. Make a plan to pay it off and try for a decent MOS. I had 2-3k in collections when I was like 19 and was able to get a 35 series MOS when I enlisted in my mid 20s. I actually already have a plan. I can have pretty much everything but the outstanding car loan amount (4 grand, so much I know) paid off by the end of AIT. After that, half my pay each pay cycle going towards that will have it paid off before my enlistment is over while still giving me some funds to save and do stuff with. I just find it kind of ridiculous that my recruiters just blew it off as "no big deal" and didn't update my paperwork to reflect the new info. I'm not bothering to press the issue since I figure it might give them cause to conveniently not be able to send me to MEPS anymore or something.
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I didn't buy my title or avatar. I speak from experience when I tell you that your recruiter doesn't give a poo poo about you or your life plans. You are just one of the many contracts he deals with every month in an attempt to keep his higher ups off his back long enough to survive his three year recruiting duty tour.
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Hekk posted:I didn't buy my title or avatar. I speak from experience when I tell you that your recruiter doesn't give a poo poo about you or your life plans. You are just one of the many contracts he deals with every month in an attempt to keep his higher ups off his back long enough to survive his three year recruiting duty tour. Well, that's depressing. Anyways, as I had asked earlier. Is me bringing all this poo poo up at MEPS going to delay the enlistment process? The whole reason I was going to bring the med-docs with me was so everything could be updated while I was at the processing station debt and medical records both and then just immediately proceed onward from there.
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Godholio posted:I'm curious why you're convinced you won't get a clearance. Mind you at the start of this I was convinced I wouldn't get enlisted, much less a clearance. I've been dealing with nothing but bullshit going downhill for 3 months straight and it's made me a bit grim as to any prospects I may have.
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Good, you're starting to get an inkling of what the next 4 years are going to be like.
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Haha have fun in the Army. Hahaha.
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And then I get assigned to a TRADOC unit and spend the rest of my enlistment bitching on GiP about how much I loving hate being stuck in a TRADOC unit. ITS A GOOD DAY TO DIE WHEN YOU KNOW THE REASONS WHY COURAGE, DUTY, HONOR!
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ArbitraryTA posted:Well, that's depressing. I honestly have no idea. My gut tells me that the worst case scenario is one where the Army will want written statements for a waiver and proof that you've contacted the creditors to invoke your rights under the Soldiers and Sailors Relief Act before they'll let you ship off. Then again I could be completely wrong because there is no textbook answer for poo poo like this.
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ArbitraryTA posted:Mind you at the start of this I was convinced I wouldn't get enlisted, much less a clearance. I've been dealing with nothing but bullshit going downhill for 3 months straight and it's made me a bit grim as to any prospects I may have. You're not even in yet. Imagine that bullshit magnified as much as you can imagine. Now imagine it in control of every single aspect of your life from the time you wake up until the time...haha fooled you it doesn't stop when you're asleep because you probably won't get to sleep. Also you are not imagining hard enough. And it doesn't stop, ever, for years on end. You've been warned.
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I'm all for goals and planning and such but I think it's kind of funny how you have your financial situation planned to a T. I think you're being a bit overzealous man. I mean, yeah, you'll have a steady paycheck and presumably little financial obligations. But I've watched so many people go into financial ruin whilst still in loving a-school or w/e the Army equivalent is. To the point that I've seen people get kicked out for it and lose overseas orders. I mean you got a plan that's chill but you're still enlisting with debt
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Dumb motherfuckers who won't listen to guys who been there and seen others, if not themselves, fail in all sorts of ways.
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Christoff posted:I'm all for goals and planning and such but I think it's kind of funny how you have your financial situation planned to a T. Could have been worse. Half the debt is from getting a car at 18% interest after being talked into it because I'm still getting out of the being a dumb kid phase of my life. I realized it was a loving stupid idea and drove it back to the dealer and gave them the keys back within a month. Still cost me a bunch of money, but way less than it would have in the long run. Financial matters have to be planned out carefully. Otherwise it's too easy for poo poo to get carried away and -then- you end up sinking into financial ruin.
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Godholio posted:It sounds like you just got a head start on being enlisted. Surprisingly, the dealer actually talked me out of the Mustang I went there to buy.
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