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Hammurabi posted:Isn't he on TGWTG now? I have to wonder: was Doug Walker desperate, does he have really low standards, or is he just such a lovely human being that he doesn't find TAA's views on women objectionable? He got kicked out. EDIT: Ninja'd.
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The guy was a real piece of work on that site. Highlights include him saying that: All people from Texas (where a few site contributors are from) are racist hicks. He hopes Jake Lloyd winds up homeless and addicted to heroin. People who enjoyed Revenge of the Fallen should be round up into camps. The mediocre Kevin Smith movie Cop Out was worse than the death of his own loving father. So yeah, no one was really disappointed to see him go.
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TearJerker/WeirdAlYankovic posted:Yes, even this comedy musician is not immune to creating songs that can (unintentionally) move one to tears — even if they were intended to be humorous. Oh, never mind. 
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Weird Al also has some nightmare fuel. "Christmas at Ground Zero" is a pretty harrowing apocalyptic song. The real fridge horror for this goon is that part where he said "When someone's trying to come down your chimney, you better load your gun and shoot to kill." Like, what if you accidentally shot Santa because you thought he was an enemy paratrooper? How horrible would that be?
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Alpacalips Now posted:Weird Al also has some nightmare fuel. "Christmas at Ground Zero" is a pretty harrowing apocalyptic song. The real fridge horror for this goon is that part where he said "When someone's trying to come down your chimney, you better load your gun and shoot to kill." Like, what if you accidentally shot Santa because you thought he was an enemy paratrooper? How horrible would that be? Oh don't get This Goon started on Weird Al. He used to have nightmares about "Albuquerque," where the clearly psychopathic main character cuts off some dude's legs as a joke!!!
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You guys joke, but Christmas at Ground Zero really is listed as Nightmare Fuel. So is The Night Santa Went Crazy and the video for Foil. And Albuquerque is apparently Hilarious In Hindsight because Breaking Bad exists.
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I didn't think it was possible to describe Weird Al's music any more humorlessly than Wikipedia, but...TearJerker/"Weird Al" Yankovic posted:"I lost on Jeopardy!" is a song by Weird Al Yankovic which is a parody of The Greg Kilh project: Our love in Jeopardy! It's about him as a contestant who was competing with a plumber and an arcontech (who both have PHD's). Arthur Flemming gave out the answers but Weird Al did not respond the correct question. As a result, He did not win any prizes on Jeopardy! And everybody got mad at him for losing on Jeopardy! The crew member took Weird Al off the studio and toss him into the car (Who the driver is Greg Kilh) and was driven away.
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"Arcontech". I believe "Weird Al" himself has a degree in arcontechture.
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Masonic Youth posted:"Arcontech". It wasn't until you quoted it that I understood what that was supposed to mean.
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Masonic Youth posted:"Arcontech" That sounds like some wizard corporation from Shadowrun or something.
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And It Worked is when someone does something that seems evil on the grounds that the ends justify the means, and turns out to be completely right.And It Worked posted:The Fanfiction 'Fandom Wars', a multi-universe crossover revolving mostly on characters from or working for the My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic world and its 'Fandom Wars' faction. Originally, they intended to stay out of the war, but communication between the Dimensional Rifts distorted messages and ruined their chain of command, allowing a small group of extremist ponies to manipulate their home world into a corner during the fighting, and forcing them to use a weapon that made their universe swallow the others. The sentient inhabitants of Earth are completely wiped out and reborn sometime later as ponies, and, as Captain Pio had said it would, strife and war were all gone because the ideologies of the world before were almost completely wiped out. Most of the examples are pulp fantasy or sci-fi, but one in particular stands out: And It Worked posted:Played with, sort of, in Birth of a Nation: complete racial egalitarianism is deemed ‘extremism’ in the film. In the film, this attitude leads to a violent uprising on the blacks’ part, lead by a mulatto; the creator vehemently denied being racist, so he probably didn’t actually see that view as extremist, so... Well, enjoy the Mind Screw. Uh that's not a mind screw, that's "It's a loving racist film." The Birth of a Nation page doesn't seem so sure that it's a loving racist film, though; it prefers to say that the film is "denounced as racist", "regarded as racist", or "considered racist", weaseling away from actually calling it racist directly. They are willing to say this, though: Birth of a Nation posted:Family-Unfriendly Aesop: No kidding. Is Birth of a Nation racist? Subjective. Citation needed. Maybe it's not racist at all, and is really just saying that negroids are too mentally feeble to take care of themselves and need to be kept as slaves for their own good. Both interpretations are plausible. Teach the controversy.
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Hey, it's not racist if it's  .
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 guys how dare you call someone racist just for thinking blacks are inferior and need to be enslaved! he could be correct you know! you cant call someone racist you dont know what his intentions were thats criticism and thats being mean!Someone really needs to make a smiley that combines  and 
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Hammurabi posted:
Maybe the people who assume others are acting out of racism are the real racists. Makes you think.
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This Troper is an aversion to the Noble Bigot trope. He's quite noble, but the one time he went to a Klan meeting, he didn't enjoy himself.
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Well, Griffith was kinda horrified by the fact that Birth of a Nation could read as racist, and made his next film about intolerance (and literally called it "Intolerance"), but that doesn't change the fact that it's impossible to watch Birth of a Nation and not go "Holy poo poo, that's pretty loving racist".
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Hammurabi posted:
Just like evolution is only a theory, you can't actually prove that someone is racist. Ugly In The Morning posted:Well, Griffith was kinda horrified by the fact that Birth of a Nation could read as racist, and made his next film about intolerance (and literally called it "Intolerance"), but that doesn't change the fact that it's impossible to watch Birth of a Nation and not go "Holy poo poo, that's pretty loving racist". Right? I guess they picture the world like in the cartoons where villains laugh about how evil and bad they are, when in real life the unfortunate thing is the "bad guys" tend to think what they're doing is right. That's what makes them bad in fact! They have a rationale for their actions! Racists come up with ways to justify their racism, which is how they stay racist. Outside of the Klan and poo poo like that most of them don't go around wearing it on t-shirts.
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sweeperbravo posted:Outside of the Klan and poo poo like that most of them don't go around wearing it on t-shirts. In this case, it is the Klan, too.
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The entire game is an allegory for the hardships and social consequences of undergoing a sex-change operation. You see, the game is called I Wanna Be The Guy, in which The Kid is engaging on a long quest to become The Guy. Nonsense excuse plot? No, an overarching laconic description of the plot. From the very beginning, we have The Kid. Maybe something of a boyish young girl, sorta fancies herself as a superhero a little judging from the cape. She has a thought, something that's been running through her head a little one morning in her room. Maybe she wasn't meant to be a female, where the world objectifies what she should be. The way she acts, the hobbies she has, she always felt more manly than anything...and maybe she could embrace it more, maybe from today on go out there and really make a man of herself... BLAM. The walls fly out and slam her in the face, as if to say that even her room doesn't approve of this. She's a woman and she better drat well act like one now! But The Kid has more determination than this. She knows she believes so strongly in her wish that one little bedroom won't stop her. She will show to the world that she indeed carries the power of supreme manliness. Now. The difficulty level is most obviously shown on Medium, where The Kid seems to maybe hide it a little, wears a bow and thus has more friends in the form of save points, who don't really take her that seriously, just play along. But with increase in manly hopes and desires, the harder the world is on The Kid, until as she acts as male as she can, and nobody seems to be on her side, it truly is an Impossible act, and only with the utmost dedication to her goal will she even earn a single friend at the end of the long, harsh road. But anyway. The Kid heads out to start her day, but...it seems the world is truly actively against her. With every step, someone else is out to mock her, to set her back. The cherries on the trees defy gravity for the sole purpose of slapping her in the face to tell her that she's meant to be a fruitful woman, that in the transition to manhood she'll lose that which gives her fertility. But still she presses on. Still she believes in her goal. But then, solely to set her back...comes Mike Tyson. The bosses here represent major events and obstacles to The Kid's quest, just as they do in video games. Overcome them, and the next part of her goal is in sight. Mike Tyson is emblematic of what a Manly Man is supposed to be, big and tough and burly, while The Kid is just a little shrimpy girl. She can't be a man, she's too light and delicate, clearly. And this indeed poses something of a classically difficult problem, something widely seen as something unsolvable (i.e. Mike Tyson widely seen as a legendarily impossible boss in Punch-Out)- can she really be shaped into a man? YES SHE CAN. She believes in herself, she knows she carries the manly spirit in her heart. So what if she's not huge and burly? She knows what she is inside, she doesn't need to superficially be some manly macho man to become one at heart. She triumphs over this obstacle easily, showing that, while it looks imposing at first, all it takes is a simple change of mindset, and it then becomes far easier (similarly, Mike Tyson may intimidate those from his status, but he's really an incredibly easy boss in the game). But despite this, it only gets more difficult for our heroine. She finds herself taking more leaps of faith, people offering to help her only to stab her in the back, and the world growing more and more hostile. Yet still she hangs on, still she trudges forward in her path. Yet soon she finds herself against something that tries to turn her very thoughts on her head...Mecha Birdo. This is clearly something shoved in her face telling her how sex changes work out for the opposite gender. Birdo is an unnerving sight to many, a man in bows and speaking ladylike and trying desperately to convince others of his femininity. And Mecha Birdo is him following through, speaking to the kid that she won't be alive anymore, that the meaning of her life is to make more living beings in the world, to protect and make use of her fertility. And even if she tries to go along with what she becomes, something will always be off (relevant to how Mecha Birdo is an edited Birdo sprite instead of using Robirdo from the same game), and her even pretending to still inspire life into the world will just be harmful to all (the eggs are like missiles you know). Can she really be worthwhile when now deprived of an essential meaning to existence? YES SHE CAN. She has goals beyond having children and all that hooplah. She is worth more than her gender. She has the heart of a manly warrior, and she knows that her decision is what's right, for both her and the rest of the world. She triumphs once more, showing that these ideas of something being "wrong" with defying gender are meaningless, that it's a matter of the heart and not of birth. The world seems fit to tell her once more that she is an anomaly that must be corrected, as it goes from night to day then back to night in the span of minutes, the world growing light where it should be dark, safe where it should be dangerous, and all the opposites. She looks for a path, searches with all the wits she has...and comes across an imposing figure, a legend of beasts even in our world: Dracula himself. He imposes, commands, wields great power...and poses the most important question of all: What is a man? Or more significantly in that context, what is so great about being a man? They cheat, they steal, they violate, they destroy, they enslave, they judge, they harm, they decieve, they ignore, they neglect, they fight, they make all the problems in the world. They demand that they are the superior gender, they unfairly seize power and refuse it to women, and proceed to abuse that power, serve it only to their own ends to wage war and grasp land, not make peace and spread love. They commit all the atrocities, yet still insist they have more right, still declare it is their world even if they are only half of its humanity. Why should The Kid join those legions of wrongdoers and bigots, the ones who are the reason she feels inferior as a woman, the ones who say that how she acts isn't correct, the ones who pound into her head the idea that she needs to act certain ways? If she becomes a man, can she truly resist all the oppression they carry? YES SHE CAN. She knows all these wrongs, but is quick to point out that women are not exempt either, that to judge peoples potential for sin based on their gender is a fallacy. Neither gender inherently has a greater potential for good or evil...and even if Dracula was right, wouldn't that mean The Kid can change that? She knows what it's like to be a woman, and she'll soon know what it's like to be a man, and she would strive to fix what imbalance of gender there exists in the world. She counters Dracula's cool, intelligent banter with logical, righteous statements of her own, cutting him down to size until he's just a pathetic little blob, something that can no longer attack her anymore. The Kid's journey continues, slowly descending into a night...a night brought on by her own thoughts and dreams...her fears as well. These soon manifest right before her, with the hulking form of Kraidgief. Despite her ambition, she still harbors doubts, and there they stand looming above her. This is the epitome of all that can go wrong, the male spirit at its most primal and feral...and she worries that if she goes through with her dream, that deep inside this is what she will be, this gigantic, beast-like creature that never once seems natural in activity. But...she knows she's stronger than that. She knows society exists to keep this in check, she knows what woman remains in her could help balance this out, she knows she's better than this. With that, Kraidgief falls, but her mind's hold on events continue... Deep in the distance, there, something wrong-looking, yet so familiar...it is herself. Her own mind. Mother Brain, in short. She can't see it clearly enough. It rejects her from coming, as though it wants her to stay away...as though it doesn't want her thinking about her own mind. Yet she valiantly approaches, and wonders...is there something wrong with the way she thinks? Is she pursuing this goal because she is indeed an anomaly? No. She's not normal, for sure. But that only means she is a leader, that she carves her own path and makes the world for herself. She refuses to accept this vision of herself, no, she actively fights it, and continues trudging ownward... Yet one more hurdle for her to cross...Bowser, a being that worries The Kid as to its presence. It's in the wrong place in the world, a sudden jarring sight for the area (after all, the prior area was Mega Man themed). And it grows even more distorted, Wart doesn't belong in the Clown Car, and neither of them belong in that stage. Will The Kid belong if she pursues her dream? Or will she be seen as an outcast, and even among those she would find solace in, will there still be strife? ...But she has stronger will than that. While she will still be an oddity in the world...a part of her can still belong. Hence Wily's appearance, and even if in the wrong vehicle, it still feels right to an extent (because it totally is the little thing Wily rides around in). The Kid knows her way. She knows what she must do. So she heads off to accomplish her goal with all those senseless fears out of the way. No arbitrary barriers block her path. The end is in sight. Her goal is right there. The world still throws things at her, gives her legendary figures, saying that only these can be Guys...only these can be men...but by now The Kid doesn't care. She will not duel with these people. They are just hurdles, just minor roadblocks on the path to the end. And at the very end, the only way to become The Guy she always dreamed of...is through her father. A truly, truly climactic battle for our Kid, her family being the last obstacle to her road. Her father refuses to let her do what she intends, he will stop at nothing until she ceases her futile dream. Oh sure, The Kid can keep going...but in her process, ostracize her family, make them enemies to her. But you know what? If the people she's supposed to love and trust won't agree with her hopes, then they're dead to her as well. 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Samurai Quack posted:What it boils down to is really the same it always is with Tvtropes; their writing had no meaning. To them, all writing and narratives are just stuff happening, there's no flow or purpose beyond a simple chain of events. I feel like this sums up troper mentality fairly well. They view the text in question as something to be view with their own special glasses. I feel like the fundamental flaw with DOTA which really makes me dislike it is that rather than being a tool to allow people to analyse a text from a wide array of different viewpoints, it simple gives them an excuse to view a text the way they want to view it. An excuse not to think. If authorial intent doesn't matter then there's no definitive end "truth" being worked towards in analysis, so there's free reign to infuse the text with whatever belief you want, already have or is even easiest. It comes with the implied in-built defense that all readings are of equal value, which often makes the readings you get less cohesive. That's my experience with people using the idea in practice, mind you, though I'm still not the biggest fan of the theory in general. Calico Heart fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Jul 26, 2014 |
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I just wonder what nerd sites would be like if other relatively well known but not especially widely applicable concepts had caught on in place of death of the author. You know, other higher level high school English class concepts.
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Nintendo Kid posted:I just wonder what nerd sites would be like if other relatively well known but not especially widely applicable concepts had caught on in place of death of the author. You know, other higher level high school English class concepts. Imagine a world where Tropers attempt to apply wildly misunderstood Freudian psychology to everything. 
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Nintendo Kid posted:I just wonder what nerd sites would be like if other relatively well known but not especially widely applicable concepts had caught on in place of death of the author. You know, other higher level high school English class concepts. Look at how Tropers sling the term "deconstruction" about.
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Nintendo Kid posted:I just wonder what nerd sites would be like if other relatively well known but not especially widely applicable concepts had caught on in place of death of the author. You know, other higher level high school English class concepts. I don't think the craziness springs from glomming onto DOTA; I think they glommed onto DOTA to legitimize the craziness. "Look, intellectuals do it, so it's not just something for weird losers! We really are smarter than the haters and jocks!"
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Puppy Time posted:I don't think the craziness springs from glomming onto DOTA; I think they glommed onto DOTA to legitimize the craziness. "Look, intellectuals do it, so it's not just something for weird losers! We really are smarter than the haters and jocks!" That's what I'm talking about, what if their barely working thing to "legitimize" what they wanted things to say was something else?
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ANIME MONSTROSITY posted:Don't post my masters thesis I agree it was rude of me to do that, but why did you wait 17 pages before complaining? Razorwired posted:Look at how Tropers sling the term "deconstruction" about. You don't say. Deconstructed Character Archetype posted:Inception is a deconstruction of the Determinator. The eponymous act involves placing a single, simple idea deep into an unwitting subject's subconscious — that they will never be rid of. This single idea will define them for the rest of their lives, and both the primary protagonist and antagonist demonstrate how it can backfire. Spectacularly. I'll admit it's been a good four years since I saw Inception and I was more interested in the guy I was seeing it with than the movie, but this doesn't seem right at all. Even if I'm misremembering the storyline and it really was about defining someone with a single idea for the rest of their lives (as opposed to just giving them an idea without them realizing you gave it to them) and Mal and Cobb's problems really were caused by that (as opposed to failing to distinguish dreams from reality), it still would have jack poo poo to do with "deconstructing" the "person who is really determined" "archetype".
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I mean it isn't the archetype, youre right, but what gets me is this person literally thinks that because the story involves the archetype the film is deconstructing it. No no don't you see it's a deconstruction of the archetype because it is the archetype forthwith ergo
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Calico Heart posted:No no don't you see it's a deconstruction of the archetype because it is the archetype forthwith ergo Your drooling TGT Elmer is perfect for this. Tropers are a good example of people who will make up their mind about something and then go cherry-pick evidence to prove it. But like they do it over the dumbest poo poo. They just fixate on the dumbest poo poo, hoping they'll strike gold so they can create a Real Trope Page that gets used and is well known so that they can put it on their troper profile under their "contributions" list. TVTropes already listed every even tenuously useful trope many years ago. Anything new is just recapitulations of old poo poo they already had glommed together and pretending it's some grand creative discovery. Like, is there a name for the feeling you get when you find out there's a name for a very specific thing or pattern you noticed? Because whatever that feeling is, TVTropes maxed it out long ago and has since been trying to hunt down more of it. It's used up. It is a non-renewable resource.
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Lit crit conceits are boring let's talk some serious  WRITING  "Teenage sexuality in realistic and speculative fiction? posted:I'm not really familiar with such things, but how does one go about dealing with teenagers and their sexuality when writing? As the only reference I have are exaggerations like The Secret Life of the American Teenager, what would be realistic? How do parents react to these sort of problems? "Under-used supernatural creatures posted:Knocking on the knowledge-sponges of tropers and seeing what nuggets of creativity hop out is ever so fruitful. Many folks added excellent examples, but sometimes it's fun not only taking underused supernatural creatures and then tweaking them just a bit to up the creep factor. For instance, I have a concept of Scylla using a famed drawing of Ulysses facing off against her (the one with tentacles coming off of her many heads), but instead of tentacles... making them feet. Of course, this would have no effect on, say, Quentin Tarantino, but for most I would hope it would make their skin crawl. Are you ready for it? ARE YOU READY FOR FAVORITE LINES FROM YOUR OWN WORK??? quote:Man, this is tough. Hmm, well, one of my snarkiest moments was when the bad guys were interrogating one of the main characters about the location of a Swiss battalion, culminating in this gem: say things multiple times: a snarky gem quote:"Verge. Verge? Hello, Verge? Cobalt Nine-three-six, can you hear me? Man down, I repeat, we have a man down!" generic FPS dialogue is my favorite part of my own writing from the same guy: quote:I don't know why, since it's not all that funny in context, but this amuses me: mental retardation and brain damage: amusing quote:Haven’t most people wondered about a perfect world? For centuries, people have dreamed, conquered, ruled, preached, worked to make their version of perfect a reality. What is perfect, though? Is it a world of peace and prosperity? A world of total freedom, and independence? Is it when everyone can be equal, or when everyone has a place in society, a place tailored just for them? Nobody really knows what ‘perfect’ is…but sometimes one person’s ideals, and their determination to make them happen, can create worlds that come pretty close… reams of rhetorical questions are the best way to start any piece of writing quote:Robots with champagne glasses. Are we sure we've not gone insane? hahahahaha get it it's random!
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Djeser posted:hahahahaha get it it's random! Robots!? With campaign glasses!?!? Not actually that insane.
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Ninjasaurus posted:No no no no no I can't believe this was written seriously by an actual human being. "Honey, I trust you to set and respect your own pace sexually, but if you do have sex with the Slender Man, your father and I put some condoms in your purse."
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mmj posted:Apparently 90 year olds predate creatures with backbones now I think it parses as "90-year-old vampire"/"demon god that predates vertebrates". If not, that's some exceptional creationism. e: It makes sense to me this way, if you understand the weird way tropers use slashes to divide whole concepts. Chamale fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Jul 26, 2014 |
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mmj posted:Apparently 90 year olds predate creatures with backbones now If it happened before they were born, it's literally prehistoric.
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