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Rinkles posted:If it doesn't use the stack (which I'm aware of), then shouldn't the opposite also hold: you can't unmorph in response to a shock? You have priority after a Shock, so you have a chance to unmorph.
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Rinkles posted:If it doesn't use the stack (which I'm aware of), then shouldn't the opposite also hold: you can't unmorph in response to a shock? No, it basically happens at the speed of a mana ability, I believe.
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Technically speaking, unmorphing a card is a 'special action' like playing a land (although it doesn't have the timing restrictions that playing a land does).Archenteron posted:Convoke used to be a cost reductor instead of a mana ability, so they miiiight change this for conveniences' sake. I doubt it. The convoke change doesn't make a difference outside of a few cases, but this would make all creatures with morph significantly worse.
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ungulateman posted:Then Lee wins by Snapcasting with a graveyard that has no Lightning Bolt? Haha, did her opponent just snap concede assuming she was naming Lightnig Bolt without bothering to check if it was there (or waiting for her to name it)?
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Gensuki posted:How does morph respond to split second? Just like a mana ability. You can respond to split second with morph just fine.
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Jul 27, 2014 01:59
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jscolon2.0 posted:
A revised form of Flanking or Bushido would be my guess? Those both represent some kind of in-combat superiority based on agility.
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Elyv posted:No, it basically happens at the speed of a mana ability, I believe. I read something once--I think it was by a judge or something--that pointed out that talking about the 'speed' at which different things happen is misleading, since there aren't different speeds in the sense that gets tossed around a lot, just differences in when you can play things, when players get priority, when costs get paid, whether or not something uses the stack (this last one is probably the closest to 'speed' in a proper sense). In many cases speed is a harmless shorthand, but for example one bit of wisdom that I've heard tossed around on the proverbial playground is 'nothing is faster than a sacrifice,' which while true in the frequent sense of paying costs for a spell or ability can (and did) mislead people into thinking that upkeep sacrifice abilities couldn't be responded to. I'm being  here but I think it's important to keep in mind what's actually being talked about when it comes to operations like this, precisely because it helps avoid confusions on interactions with things like morph.
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Here's an example of mis-morphing costing a "heavy favorite" a place in the top 8.
"Last weekend, German Nationals was held in Mainz, Germany. The tournament brought out all of the old-guard German pros, such as Frank Adler and Peer Kroger. However, after 11 grueling rounds, Kai Budde was primed for another Top 8. Not only was he the returning champion, but he was the heavy favorite. With only two rounds left, there was little doubt in anyone's mind that the German Juggernaut was going to retain his throne, and continue his conquest of America. In game 3 of Round 11, Andre Muller scooped up his cards in defeat. Kai went through the motions, the handshake, the signing of the match slip, and the obligatory revealing of the morphs. Kai revealed his Daru Sanctifier, the only problem was that it was a Whipgrass Entangler! Unfortunately for Kai, (and very fortunately for the U.S. team), at some point in the game he had misplayed. Kai received a game loss, and missed Top 8. The United Arab Emirates are early favorites to take home the title in Berlin."   ancient magic article
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The return of Morph makes me hopeful that we will finally get a limited format full of on board tricks again, although I know they have been shying away from that in design for years.
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rabidsquid posted:The return of Morph makes me hopeful that we will finally get a limited format full of on board tricks again, although I know they have been shying away from that in design for years. There's quite a few in M15...
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Holy poo poo this is the worst coverage I have ever seen. Wizards should literally fire everyone involved with their coverage and replace them with diseased hobos, because it would be an improvement. We start off with video that looks like it's being shot through a dirty screen door, late 90's quality overlay, and STILL NO loving ROUND TIMER. We cut away from Twin mirror to Pod mirror because the match "was unwatchable" according to the commentators. Then a Pod player plays Melira and they debate whether it was a good play because, while it turns off his opponent's Gavony Township, it turns off his own Scavenging Ooze. I'm done with WotC's coverage for pretty much forever.
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Toshimo posted:Then a Pod player plays Melira and they debate whether it was a good play because, while it turns off his opponent's Gavony Township, it turns off his own Scavenging Ooze. Are you loving kidding me?
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Toshimo posted:Holy poo poo this is the worst coverage I have ever seen. Wizards should literally fire everyone involved with their coverage and replace them with diseased hobos, because it would be an improvement. SCG has been running Standard all day, is that of any help to calm your ire?
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Gensuki posted:Wow, Clerics used to look cool. The armor they're wearing is, IIRC, a sort of improvised armor woven out of reeds and stuff using basketwork. I remember that at the time it was the source of some mockery from certain parts of the fanbase, although to be fair there were cards where it looked stupider than it did on those.
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Oraculum Animi posted:SCG has been running Standard all day, is that of any help to calm your ire? The mono black devotion vs jund midrange/walkers match that just ended was good. The threat of a lethal Liliana ultimate won g1 for the jund player.
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Bugsy posted:The mono black devotion vs jund midrange/walkers match that just ended was good. The threat of a lethal Liliana ultimate won g1 for the jund player. Are they going to be showing Modern tomorrow or their usual Legacy coverage?
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Onslaught is the best block and the block I started playing in. Those old clerics were awesome looking, go onslaught. go morph. Bring back onslaught
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JerryLee posted:I read something once--I think it was by a judge or something--that pointed out that talking about the 'speed' at which different things happen is misleading, since there aren't different speeds in the sense that gets tossed around a lot, just differences in when you can play things, when players get priority, when costs get paid, whether or not something uses the stack (this last one is probably the closest to 'speed' in a proper sense). That's fair; I was actually aware of the rules implications, but I was using the lazy shorthand to try to describe what is going on, even though it's not entirely accurate.
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I hope some company decides to print sleeves that act as proper Morph creatures. Something like this (which I threw together in a card maker last year):
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Archenteron posted:Second from the left. That makes two birdmen. Avens are back, baby, oh yeah gently caress that, Aurochs are back.
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Zonekeeper posted:I hope some company decides to print sleeves that act as proper Morph creatures. Something like this (which I threw together in a card maker last year): What company allows you to print sleeves? What kind of sleeves do you use? Is there a link you can post?
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Fish Of Doom posted:gently caress that, Aurochs are back. Are there actually going to be Aurochs people because if so  best block all years
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Oraculum Animi posted:What company allows you to print sleeves? What kind of sleeves do you use? Is there a link you can post? I haven't actually gotten this printed, I just threw the image together. No clue what company makes custom sleeves.
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JerryLee posted:Are there actually going to be Aurochs people because if so Not Auroch people, but Looks pretty Auroch to me. Just 1 new Auroch card and I'll be happy.
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Niton posted:A revised form of Flanking or Bushido would be my guess? Those both represent some kind of in-combat superiority based on agility. I always viewed Bushido as "stepping it up against a strong opponent", but some form of evasion could definitely be true. Not flanking per se, because they should all be new, but at least as functionally different as Devotion is from Chroma.
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Niton posted:A revised form of Flanking or Bushido would be my guess? Those both represent some kind of in-combat superiority based on agility.  Tardigrade posted:I want to see how they do Temur's RUG flavor. So far the spoiled art looks like straight-up RG, not seeing the Blue side (yet, at least).
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I want to see how they do Temur's RUG flavor. So far the spoiled art looks like straight-up RG, not seeing the Blue side (yet, at least).
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Niton posted:A revised form of Flanking or Bushido would be my guess? Those both represent some kind of in-combat superiority based on agility. Amarou Kithkin effect. Tardigrade posted:I want to see how they do Temur's RUG flavor. So far the spoiled art looks like straight-up RG, not seeing the Blue side (yet, at least). The art you're seeing is before each subject's wing unfurrrrrllllll! 
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neetengie posted:RAMPAGE No joke, this is the ability I want returned more than any other.
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Olothreutes posted:No joke, this is the ability I want returned more than any other. Rampage is never coming back, we might get neo-rampage again though.
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Elyv posted:Rampage is never coming back, we might get neo-rampage again though. Bushido is essentially rampage light, since it only triggers once but works on blocking. I like rampage better because it made you think about double blocking creatures, especially the bigger numbers.
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Olothreutes posted:Bushido is essentially rampage light, since it only triggers once but works on blocking. I like rampage better because it made you think about double blocking creatures, especially the bigger numbers. When I said neo-rampage, I was referring to cards like Rabid Wolverines.
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Elyv posted:When I said neo-rampage, I was referring to cards like Rabid Wolverines. I didn't even know that card existed. Huh.
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BeefSupreme posted:Question to any of you Modern players out there: quote:Deck: MonoG Modern Stompy
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Olothreutes posted:I didn't even know that card existed. Huh. It's an ability that they don't really use anymore, there were some others as well but the only cards I remember offhand having the ability are Rabid Wolverines and Elvish Berserker.
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Going back to the poo poo done by players who are conceding at comp REL, if anyone reaches over and starts flipping my library over or anything like that, prior to conceding, my hand's going up, and I'm shouting 'Judge!'. I'll let someone handle my cards to read it, if they ask first, and haven't just been eating messy food, but this is my side of the table, that's yours, and pro player or not, my main rule is 'seriously, don't be a dick.'
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Does an unmorphed creature count as a different creature for purposes of spells that target? I.E.: If I unmorph in response to a shock, does shock fizzle due to no legal targets? I can't imagine it counts as a creature entering the battlefield.
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